Oh no!...PGO!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUHAEvbf_I4

Hickok45 shooting a PGO shotgun with birdshot and slugs. Actually a sawed off gun, as it doesn't have a proper "pistol" grip.

Just thought it might be interesting. So many discussions on what a cut down shotgun can and can't do but no one ever posts a video of actually going out and shooting one.

My impression: a PGO is no where near as efficient as a full stock gun, but it is not entirely useless either as many would have you believe. I tend to agree with what he says near the end, "the biggest factor is the shooter".
 
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He doesn't seem to be as familiar with his shotgun as he might want us to believe... He was expecting more shells every time he ran it out, and at the beginning he didn't even know how many it held until he checked.

He's a good shot with a PGO though, I'll give him that!
 
If the stock is sawn off, a la "bird's head" style or similar - those are actually, IMO, easier to shoot than the plastic vertical pistol grip. I have one of those on a 500 - after a few shots, it was taken off and a regular stock was ordered. This was done WAY back when only gun mags existed.....:eek:
 
As the video shows they can be shot quickly and accurately enough if the shooter is able to shoot them at eye level, if shot from the hip or underarm position they're pretty much useless IMO.
 
A matter of perspective, perhaps.

Your average 3-Gun shooter could shoot those targets much faster with a pistol or a proper shotgun.
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True, but Hickock is no longer a competitive shooter nor does he seem to spend much all that much time shooting shotguns, much less his PGO shotgun.

Also, I forgot to mention above that while birdshead style grips are easier on the wrist, they make it more difficult to pump properly compared to a more vertical conventional pistol grip.

That may not make much difference if you've got a really slick pumping gun but it might make for problems if you don't.
 
He doesn't seem to be as familiar with his shotgun as he might want us to believe... He was expecting more shells every time he ran it out, and at the beginning he didn't even know how many it held until he checked.
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He doesn't try to seem like an expert with it. He's got a lot of guns that he shoots, so I don't expect him to know how many shells one of his guns holds. He made the video for fun and to show that a PGO can be shot somewhat well. From what I could tellhe wasn't trying to show off or give false impressions.
 
He's a guy plinking away in his backyard, not a any kind of competitive shooter though.
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That's fine. I am pointing out that
As the video shows they can be shot quickly and accurately
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is debatable based on perspective and experience. I do not think the video demonstrates quickness or accuracy. It shows a guy shooting some easy targets at a pretty sedate pace.
 
That is not even quick compared to a non-competitive shooter. I'm almost certain your average Joe could shoot much faster with a stocked gun.

People don't argue you cannot hit targets at close range with a PGO shotgun. Rather, the general contention is that other weapons are better at the same task. Nothing I can see in that video seems to contradict that contention. To be perfectly fair I don't know how hard he was trying to shoot quickly. Be that as it may however, it still doesn't mean that video stands to refute conventional wisdom concerning PGO shotguns. Video of someone using one to plink establishes that they are adequate for plinking and not much more.
 
I'll also note that the only time he was shooting ammo that could be used in self defense he was shooting particularly slowly and deliberately.
 
He is a decent shot at a good pace but he is a little outta sorts with the gun as he seems to have issues between rounds or expects more when he runs out.
 
This is a fine video, demonstrating why the Mossberg 500 Persuader is a solid HD selection. Hickok does in 10 quick minutes what nutballpantsy would fail to do in 30 - he shows how the gun runs.

Most of the remarks above miss the point: this isn't about what an expert would do, or how fast the Mossberg could theoretically be operated. You can discover that for yourself. I added a folding stock to mine, but that's about how it shoots in PGO.

I'm also giving him a pass on round count, because if you've ever fired one of these, you know why that happens.
 
As the video shows they can be shot quickly and accurately enough if the shooter is able to shoot them at eye level, if shot from the hip or underarm position they're pretty much useless IMO.
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I agree that aiming at eye level is more precise then instinctive shooting from the hip but at ranges under 20 yards from the hip can get some lead on target.....
This was my first attempt from the hip a few years ago with a PGO,
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So his lack of expertise, practice or training is what makes him an expert on the topic then?

Alrighty then.
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You got a problem with Hickock?

or just videos of people hitting targets with PGO's.....

I'll have to watch the video again but I don't think Hickock has ever referred to himself as an expert and I don't think he said PGO is better then full stock.
Come to think of it I've never read or heard anyone who shoots shotguns claim that PGO's are faster or better then full stocks.....

Edit, actually that's not true...some people have claimed they are faster in tight spaces but as far as facing multiple targets in a race against a full stock can't think of any one championing that point of view.
 
I'll also note that the only time he was shooting ammo that could be used in self defense he was shooting particularly slowly and deliberately.
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Almost like he was aiming or something....

He was also shooting at distances beyond what most would consider self defense in my opinion.
 
This is a fine video, demonstrating why the Mossberg 500 Persuader is a solid HD selection.
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How pray tell does that video demonstrate that? Seriously.
 
Hickcock shoots his PGO about as well as he shoots his full stocked shotguns, aside from the short stroking. Yeah he may not shoot shotguns as well as dedicated shotgunners here and elsewhere, but compared to the average shotgun owner/user, he's actually pretty decent.
 
You got a problem with Hickock?

or just videos of people hitting targets with PGO's.....
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I see you missed the debacle thread about a guy screwing off and making a fun-gun a while ago. Let's just say that the tile of this thread says it all.
"We dun talk 'bout theese things in this here board." I'm surprised our expert shotgunner hasn't chimed in yet.
 
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