ok...its tv but why is there a hog problem!

Status
Not open for further replies.
Originally Posted by janobles14
believe me, there are enough of us out there who will do the job for you AND give you pork chops.

maybe im missing something. if so just let a brother know. if not...call me, i have tons of ammo.
No kidding. I know a number of people who would be happy to do it for free, and split the meat with the property owner, to boot.

Quote:
I wish we would develop a hog problem in Wyoming. I have time, ammo, and love smoked pig meat.
I know a whole lot of people who wish the same thing for AZ, and I'm just one of em.

An old saying comes to mind here..."Oh the fools, they no not for what they wish"

Another one "Be of cautious mind when you speak of wishes"

Another one "Be careful what you wish for"

Another more popular one when on this subject "Like HELL you wish for them!" :D
 
"Great Smoky Mountains National Park battling hog infestation ..." Jan 24, 2010
www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9020055
"Hogs in the park date to the early 1920s, when a herd of European hogs escaped from a game reserve on Hooper’s Bald in the mountains of Graham County, N.C. The wild hogs moved into the park by the 1940s.... the park’s wild hogs tend to look more like Eurasian wild boar than feral pigs."

Maybe isolated at one time, but now reported present in 70 of Tennessee's 95 counties. Recent reports have it that officials believe hunters have helped spread wild hogs to promote hog hunting. I suspect an additional problem is that people have trapped nuisance hogs and took them to "remote" areas for release not having the heart to kill them, plus escapees from canned hunting preserves.

Another possiblity is that the old "shoot, shovel, shut up" philosophy died out in recent generations allowing the pig population explosion. Of course we could always blame climate change.
 
Recent population explosion may be explained by introduction of exotic species like Russian boar for sport hunting where there were previously no pig population.

The Russian boars are the exact same species as the domestic hogs we have here. "Russian boars" and "wild boars" (same thing) have been introduced several times into the US by various indiviuals and the problem didn't materialize (as noted previously) until just recently...or did it? Well, the current problem is new, but being overrun with hogs isn't.

There are some other species of hogs that have been brought to the US, but we don't seem to have a problem with bearded pigs or warty pigs.

In OK the hog hunting "ranches" are a big part of the problem. They buy hogs for their clients to hunt in their spot and stalk areas. Those hogs get out and multiply like rats. It is also fashionable for Okies to release domestic hogs in the wild: It's illegal but no one enforces it. Some of the hogs i trap and shoot look like dirty show pigs.

For the last few years, I have read various accountings of hogs being introduced into the wild, the tie to the first Spanish releases, unintentional losses, the apparent and highly celebrated subsequent introduction of known Eurasian stock for hunting, etc. Somehow, the distribution of hogs, population, etc. seems difficult to account for even with their long history in the US and long period of occasional escapees.

A few weeks ago, I was chatting with my father who grew up outside of Cooper, Texas. He was responsible for the raising of pigs and part of his daily chores were to unpen the pigs in the morning and turn them out to the bottoms so that they could free range all day long. In the evening, he would have to round them up again. Over time, they would lose a few hogs, gain a few, and occasionally have to get with neighbors who did the exact same thing and return errant hogs. In short, the program meant that the hogs could be fed on the cheap by letting the hogs find most of their own food, kept the amount of hog refuse in the pen down to what accumulated overnight, and kept an active breeding program that prevented inbreeding. No doubt it also meant that there were free range hogs that simply opted to never go home. Let's face it. Folks have enough problems keeping penned and fenced hogs from escaping and so you know there would be losses, er, escapes from free-ranging hogs. That was back in the 1930s and 1940s.

Go back nearly 100 years. Hogan in "The Republic of Texas" (1946, p. 34, UT Press) talks about this same process where hogs were "raised in the woods in great abundance" with no corn except a little to help keep them gentle. In other words, people basically kept free range hogs using corn to keep them from straying too far, not keeping them fenced or penned at all.

I certainly don't doubt that the free-range raising of hogs has been commonplace throughout the south with a long standing tradition that undoubtedly would have contributed significantly to likely establishing in many areas, maintaining, and certainly expanding feral hog populations. In fact, free-ranging of hogs appears to have been a dominant norm historically across many parts of the US and even back in the 1600s, the problem of free-range hogs going feral and the population exploding was noted (see Virginia below).

Other references...
Free-ranged swine in New York in 1842 (pp. 384-385)
http://books.google.com/books?id=d6...0CEEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=raising swine&f=false

New London Company's importation of hogs in Virginia in 1600 that were allowed to free range had resulted in the colony nearly being overrun by 1627 as they had become wild feeding in the woods (p. 63). Free-ranging was also noted in several other colonies at this time. Page 64 also refers to native hogs of the west, the description being of feral hogs from various earlier settlements.
http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=bwGP2onSFioC&printsec=frontcover&output=reader

In this 1812 report, swine in Louisiana are common and raised without expense by allowing to [free] range in the woods. See pages 168, 185-186, 229-230, 379.
http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=HikVAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader

Free-ranging mentioned in this 1888 volume on page 252.
http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=YtBCAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader

Free-ranged swine in New York in 1842 (pp. 384-385)
http://books.google.com/books?id=d6...0CEEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=raising swine&f=false

More feral hogs addressed here in 1897, p. 1134.
http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=VxhOAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader

1881 notation of free-ranging of hogs in Texas and efforts to keep them from going feral as they turn feral quickly.
http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=HF5JAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader

Page 62 of this 1858 Texas Almanac noted hogs subject to running wild in Denton County, but there were losses attributed to bear that were aplenty, and also to wild hog claimants.
http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=mFtNAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader
I currently reside in Denton County, Texas and we don't have bears here anymore.

No doubt the Spanish released some hogs that went feral, but by and large, the feral hog population looks like it has been steadily and continually salted (pun intended), populated, and repopulated by the use of free-range ranching methods of domestic hogs from at least as early as the first part of the 1600s to at least the mid 1900s. And now as alsaqr is noting, people are still releasing hogs into the wild. I don't doubt that there are folks who still free range their hogs where they can as well. Free ranging and limited tending of domesticates has been common at least for the past 3500 years (based on early writings).

...i have personally been part of a team that has completely eliminated three pig populations.
I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
 
Last edited:
I swear I don't mean this in a rude way but, yes, you are naive. I seriously, seriously, doubt you "eliminated three pig populations" what you most likely did was MOVE them. Which is great for one land owner and bad for another. They are smart, believe it or not, and when you kill a couple they'll be gone for a while but they will return eventually. I shot 3 out of about 15 in one of my pastures about three years ago and I haven't seen them again, but my neighboring land owner has them all over his place he just doesn't care.

Now, if you are confident enough in your elimination abilities to offer a money back guarantee if they come back then there will be people beating down your door to pay you for your skill set. Who knows, maybe you can do what thousands of other people wish they could do, and if you can you could make yourself a wealthy man, farmers across the country will be throwing money at you.


Just think of them like roaches, if you see ten then theirs a thousand of them. If you kill twenty, then there's two thousand you didn't see.

ok well perhaps they just moved. but after the month it took us to shoot them, we havent seen or heard sign of them. and to the best of my knowledge none of the surrounding land owners have either.

...and its hard to offer money back on free! :)
 
They breed exponentially and the destroy most things in their path and they scare off the game, such as deer. They are feral. An abomination IMO. we've killed 220 in 3 months and they keep coming.

Now is a good time to kill sows as they are pregnant.

Mark, esquire
 
Last edited:
Carl_N.Brown, Sorry to tell you this, but that is by far nowhere NEAR where the Hog populations started in Tennessee. Double Naught nailed the reason for about half the hog population in the state of Tennessee. The other half were stocked by places such as Catoosa Hunting Preserve in the Cumberland Mountains area (Where I was raised) and many others. Hog hunting has always been pretty popular in Eastern and Middle Tennessee. I grew up hunting the beasts. Most of the ones I took were feral, probably second and third generation. Some looked to be straight up Russian with absolutely no domesticated features whatsoever. They were generally stocked from trapped areas. But many were actually true Eurasian/Russian Boars that were brought over for breeding and repopulating the current sock.

My own personal opinion of how this got all so out of hand is that it was caused by a multitude of factors including, stocking, free ranging as DNS stated (damn we actually agreed on something DNS, call Ripleys!) and the heavy popularity that hog hunting gained in the late 80's and early 90's. With popularity comes money. As fast as these critters breed and grow, a low cost investment will have high gain returns in as little as 2 years. Pretty good business projection.

janobles14, trust me buddy, they just moved. A month is no time at all. Sorry to have to inform you but you in no way killed them all. They will be back. As long as there is a food source, they will eventually come back around or an entirely new sounder will creep in. You would think as many as Flintlock has killed off his property in the past 5 years that there wouldn't be any left in his county let alone on his property. Yet there they are still!
 
DNS, back when I was a youngun I recall hearing and reading about "Piney woods rooters" in east Texas. And the Arkansas football team is called the Razorbacks for a reason. :D My understanding is that it takes about three generations for hogs to be noticeably reverting to wild or razorback characteristics.
 
I think there has been a serious decline in people hunting and areas to hunt compared to days gone by. Pigs have been raised free range forever and ever and people have been slaughtering and processing their OWN meat forever.....have many do now compared to 50 years ago or even 20 years ago. Yes i'm sure people turn some loose to stock hunting spots but most of it imho its from meat coming from the grocery store and not from going out to make meat.

I can't discount the canned hunt game farm escape theory totally because about 2 weeks ago I had 3 wierd looking antelope deer some kind of critter come walking and grazing thru the yard. I doubt they were released but there are several places around here with high fences which generally means foreign animals. I've had enough fences destoyed from natural causes and have seen a goat climb a 6 foot fence to know that fences are never solid.

I don't have hogs on my land but there are lots 3? miles away, i've yet to understand why none have found their way here. I wouldn't mind a couple getting lost and showing up everyyear but more than a couple a year would SUCK!!
 
maybe im missing something. if so just let a brother know. if not...call me, i have tons of ammo.

I totally applaud your effort in culling them out, but....

If they have a source of food, cover, and water, they will simply move into a particular area and become somewhat dormant. THey don't need much area to support them as they eat just about anything they can root up, pull down or catch alive.

Myself and a friend both own two places, about 80 or so miles apart. His is along a river with plenty of impenetrable cover, but also with planty of wide open farm land as well. Mine is a small piece of 100 ro so acres surrounded by mostly cattle production with hay pastures and hardwood forest. Nothing too horribly tough to get through but does provide some cover. Over the past 15 years or so we have used just about everything short of set charges on them, and still they keep coming.

As has been mentioned they are VERY smart, and have great senses of smell and hearing and though it's reported they don't, they CAN see pretty danged good as well. Once a little bit of pressure has been put on a certain sounder of them the survivors, and there will be a few, will learn really quick to avoid that area. Even if you DO manage to get the whole bunch, as mentioned, it will only be a matter of time before the next is pressured in one form or fashion to move on and spread out. It might be that they hold up in some thick bottom until they either expand o the point of needing food, or water, but some will move, and they will not be an issue until the population grows, then your right back to square one.
 
ok well perhaps they just moved. but after the month it took us to shoot them, we havent seen or heard sign of them. and to the best of my knowledge none of the surrounding land owners have either.


I don't doubt that at all, when there is pressure in an area they will leave for a while. They will leave for years in many cases, and if joining land owners were also putting pressure on them yeah they'll keep moving. wait a couple years instead of a couple months, they will be back. Honestly it surprises me that it took a month of shooting them to run them off, must have been a big place. They will find a sanctuary before you can kill them all.
 
Art Eatman wrote:

DNS, back when I was a youngun I recall hearing and reading about "Piney woods rooters" in east Texas. And the Arkansas football team is called the Razorbacks for a reason.

Yes, a noticeably different hog in appearance and temperament! 25-30 years ago...most of what you would encounter in East Texas was the PWR.

Now...the Feral Hogs we see are different in their build and especially in temperament.

On average...today's Feral Hog is a much better survivalist when faced with human predation. They are smarter and have learned to RUN at the first signs of danger.

In the past, the Piney Woods Rooter was just about as likely to "stand it's ground" as to flee, and even IF it did relent...it took it's sweet time about it.

Consequently...their numbers (and genetic contribution) have dwindled.

And no, I do not have scientific "proof" of any of the above, just my observations of some 30 years.
 
Flintknapper, my guess would be that it's merely more generations reverting farther back to what I guess could be the original sort of truly wild hog. I've mentioned before that in miscellaneous readings through the decades, it has been consistently claimed that the hog is one of the few species that will revert as much and as soon.

Realize that I make no claim to being any sort of expert on hogs. :)
 
In late 2010 we started shooting and trapping wild hogs on our place in Garvin county, OK. By early May, 2011 we had taken over 40 hogs off that place. For four months all we saw on our game cameras were a few solitary boars. In September the hogs came back. Now the place is over-run with hogs-again.

It doesn't help that All About U hog hunting ranch is a few miles away.

PICT0085.gif
 
Hogs are a huge problem....until you knock on the door to seek permission to hunt....then they haven't seen but one in the last 5 years...and none since.
 
Everyone wants hogs.....until you have them. There are few places I've ever seen that have a "just right" number of pigs. It's usually all or nothing. I prefer nothing.
 
I like having hogs, gives me year round meat. :D I can't get down there to check the trap every morning, though, so I don't set it in the summer. But, I bought the place for hunting. I don't even have an ag exemption, so I like having the extra hunting and freezer meat opportunities.

Hey, hogs ain't bad unless they're eating your corn. Only corn I have comes out of my feeder and the hogs are welcome to a share. They haven't driven off any deer than I can tell, either, lots of deer down there. Even the quail have come back to an extent and we have more hogs than I can ever remember.
 
Hogs are a huge problem....until you knock on the door to seek permission to hunt....then they haven't seen but one in the last 5 years...and none since.

Well with all due respect just because a guy has a hog problem on his place doesn't necessarily mean he wants to give free run of his land to strangers with guns. Lots of potential problems there too.

As for why hogs suddenly became a bigger problem. I think some of the hog hunters that caught them live with dogs are to blame. Notice I said "SOME". But I know for a fact that some of them would catch hogs in one place and go turn them loose on another guys land. Then when that guy would start having a hog problem they would show up eager offer their services as hog hunters. Thus you would have a situation where a landowner is allowing a group of guys to try to help him get rid of his hog problem never knowing that those very guys are the reason he has a hog problem in the first place. I firmly believe that hogs were rapidly spread to many areas in this fashion. This practice, although nearly impossible to prove, is why the state of Alabama passed a law making it illegal to bring a captured hog out of the woods alive.

And no, you do not want them on your land unless you have no other game animals there that you care to hunt. They breed like flies. Sows can have 2 litters a year and every female in those litters can start having litters of their own at 7 months of age. One pair of breeding adults turned loose on a place with adequate food supply can result in 1000 hogs in a 5 year period. They eat just about anything and compete with other game for the resources on your land. The damage that even a small group can inflict on a large cornfield in just a few weeks is amazing to behold. They tore up some of our fields so badly if I had shown the damage to those of you unexperienced with what hogs can do and asked you "what caused this" your answers would range from "small bulldoziers" to "impact craters from a 155mm howitzer".
 
No you do not (to the first part). Feral hogs are a pestilential foreshadowing of the Apocalypse, the death of all that is good and wholesome.

Landowners, their family and tenants in Tennessee can kill any feral hogs encountered by any legal hunting means but without regard to seasons or bag limits. A landowner can get a permit for himself and up to ten designated persons to use any illegal hunting technique (bait, nightlights, etc). TWRA TN wildlife resources agency regards wild pigs as a target for extermination, and does not advise relocation of pigs. All trapped pigs must be killed by law.

They are a pestilence to be eradicated. You do not want to develop a wild hog problem. Count your blessings.

Problem is with the TWRA approach, licensed sport hunters are not allowed to kill wild pigs, since it was canned sports shooting that encouraged people to release wild pigs in many areas in the first place.
Another, ???***??? game law by the Illustrious Tennessee commision.
 
When I was Younker the woods were full of free roaming hogs in south Arkansas. After I came back from Viet Nam, I didn't see any. They are there agian but not as many as before. However, back then you couldn't shoot them and you can now, so maybe they just stay hid.
 
Bust an axle on your tractor or bust up a combine rig because of hog furrows once and you would change that tune VERY quickly MCgunner.

Well, I ain't got a tractor and my dirt bikes handle the wallows nicely. In fact, it's fun! :D

I do get your point and I do know farmers that hate hogs for a plethora of reasons beyond John Deere parts. I went out some with a guy that had dogs out in the College Port, Texas area in the rice fields. He had rights to hunt out there, no guns, just dogs with knives. I'm too old to stay up all night chasing dogs through rice fields anymore, but it was fun when I wasn't so stove up. :rolleyes:
 
West Texas is rampant with wild hog as is witnessed by almost daily postings from folks who have trail cams and equal number of postings of a hog taken here and there. I believe Sam 1911 said it best, they are like cockroachs. Killing off a dozen in one section just moves them to another section. Thick impenetrable mesquite thickets are no match for us humans whereas a hog can run through these with ease.
Hey, I love backribs as much as the next guy and will drop everything for the chance to take some pesky hogs off a neighbors place but they have us outnumbered and adapt quicker to terrain then we do.
 
I know it sounds weird, but I wish my Sate had a pig problem.

The idea of being able to take any rifle I own in a shotgun state and to have the freedom to hunt hogs any time of year sounds like the greatest thing ever.

Food value alone would make it worth it. About 10 years ago my mom and aunt got half a hog in meat and I still have some loin in the freezer, would of eaten it sooner but I didn't know about it. I couldn't imagine getting a few hogs a year.

Hard to hunt or not.
 
With hogs, night hunting is the rule if there's any pressure on 'em at all. I have done that, but I'm not really a night owl kinda guy, prefer to be at home in bed with mama. :D I let the trap do the hunting, normally. I've taken a few on my place in daylight, the exceptions, and I've hunted 'em where they were REALLY over-populated on fenced game ranches and been able to take 'em in daylight. That was fun. The trap keeps me in pork now days, though.

If you have a feeder and game camera set up on it, you can pattern the hogs, see when they're coming around, and be there when they show up. It saves saddle time in a stand if you don't like sitting in the dark in the cold or something.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top