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PcolaDawg

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that it may prevent someone else from making the mistake I made. If you want to call me names, go ahead, but it won't be any worse than the names I've already called myself.

Around Christmas time I accidently fired my gun (a Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II) INSIDE MY HOUSE. It sent a .45 round through the desk I was sitting at, then through the wall of the house in my upstairs study, and into an outside walk-in closet where my wife keeps all of her multitude of Christmas decorations. Fortunately, it didn't hit any of her many Nativity scenes (she collects them), so I am still alive.

My only saving grace here is that I did remember one of the main two safety rules, and that's to make sure the barrel is never pointed in an unsafe direction. I had it under my desk pointed at a wall that led to an unoccupied part of the outside of the house.

Why I'm putting this post in this forum is because of the debate about carrying 1911s cocked and locked. When I first got my 1911, carrying it cocked and locked made me nervous. So I would always keep a round in the chamber, but with the hammer down, un-cocked. To have my gun set up this way, it meant that I had to pull the trigger, with a round in the chamber, while gripping the hammer and s-l-o-w-l-y bring it to the 'uncocked' position. It was while I was doing this that the hammer must have slipped out of my grip and hit hard enough to cause the gun to fire.

I could not believe it happened. I was almost stunned from the concussion. It's amazing the effect a surprise firing of a .45 will have on your brain, especially if the concussion of the blast is magnified since it went off under the desk in a small space.

My poor dog (a Greyhound) was on the La-Z-boy next to me and her skeleton made it to the other end of the house before her body caught up with it.

Then, after it went off, my kids come running in wondering if they were going to see their Dad with his head blown off. One of my son's girlfriends was in the house and she comes running in scared to death and, of course, I scared my Wife to death. Unbelievably embarrassing.

I am a freak about safety and preach to my kids non-stop about it, and there I was having done an unpardonable sin with a firearm in my own home. Never thought it could/would happen to me.

Then I began to realize that, as stupid as I was, I was extremely lucky that night. In less than an instant I could have accidently killed myself and my Wife and kids would have rushed into my study to see a horrible sight. Or, much worse, I could have had the barrel pointed so that the bullet hit one of my kids, a guest, or my Wife.

I never, ever, could have forgiven myself for that.

So I'm keeping the desk, with the bullet hole in it, as a constant sober reminder that I can be incredibly stupid and irresponsible and I need to guard against it 24/7.

And I now carry the Kimber 1911 as it is designed to be carried. Cocked and locked. Or I don't put a round in the chamber.

This incident may be the number one thing I've ever done in my life that I am the most ashamed of. It's not easy to talk about. But it happened, and if it helps anyone here - or anywhere else - from making the same idiot mistake I did, then it's worth sharing.

Hope it helps.
 
something like that will sure make you more carefull in the future, glad nobody was hurt, somebody above was sure looking after you
 
Glad no was hurt too. You did good though in that you had the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Yes, thanks for sharing. Yes, lowering the hammer on a chambered firearm is not the best practice and should always be avoided if all possible (un-chamber the round first). If there is a strange situation where it must be done, I highly recommend one to place their non-trigger finger hand's thumb between the hammer and the firing pin and then pull the trigger (letting the hammer release and fall on the thumb (pinching it)). You can then grasp the hammer with your trigger finger hand's thumb (barely lifting it off the pinched thumb) and slowing remove your thumb from underneath the hammer and at the same time slowly lowering the hammer down the rest of the way.
 
Thanks for having the guts to share this as a reminder for all of us to never, ever become complacent about handling our guns.

BTW - no damage to your thumb? I have decocked single action autos before and I can imagine the slide slamming into an unsuspecting thumb in the case of a hammer slip and accidental discharge.
 
P'Dawg, I've put a round into the floor of my friend's home -talk about embarrassment.

Thanks for sharing, keep on sharing that experience so that others may learn from you.
 
I shot a hole through my living room wall into the bedroom through my beds headboard and out the window about 15 years ago, I had just put a new trigger in a glock and had put it up loaded, then I wasn't paying attention and wanted to try the trigger one more time before I went out side to shoot. pretty stupid of me
 
Glad you, your kids, your wife, your dog, your son's girlfriend, the upstairs lady, and your wife's Nativity scenes were all alright.

That's precisely why I said in another thread that decocking a 1911 is unsafe. Glad your thumb is still in one piece too.

Please get a 5 gallon bucket, fill it with sand, and place it in an area where you unload and chamber your gun. Use it as a backdrop each and everytime. Sand is a VERY effective bullet stopper.

If you want to get fancy, get a "Safe Direction" pad that you can carry in your range bag. http://www.safedirection.com/

Hope this helps.
 
Thanks for sharing. You'll find that a vast majority of people here have had a ND of some form or another in varying forms of destruction. I am glad you came out okay.

I accidentally once put a hole in the ceiling with a .22 that had been left with a round in the tube mag when I was oiling and running the bolt. I should have been more careful, but the thing didn't drop out when i turned the empty tube over, low and behold, it got chambered during the bolt running process and shot off into the ceiling in the pull the trigger process...

From that point forward I have been far more careful with EVERYTHING.
I keep my cz in the car with the hammer down on a live round, but I always use the decocker, with my finger in between the hammer and the FP. Fortunately, even without the finger the decocker works safely, though I'll never trust it.

But hey, lessons learned, and at little cost for the same intensity of education. Wouldn't have it any other way.
 
Once put a round into the roof of the indoor range on my first trip out with an autoloading pistol: safe direction though! And now I am a 'NEVER put your finger inside the trigger guard unless you are sending lead downrange' guy.

I have a similar conundrum in that carrying/hiding a pistol chambered means it is cocked (yours was an option not available to any non-double action pistols). If I could cock/uncock an autoloader and keep it chambered I guess I might.

My 45 has a grip safety so carrying locked and loaded is a dangerous proposition by definition, but no cocking/decocking necessary and it puts a premium on safe finger and triggerguard etiquette.
 
Sorry about what happen, but I have to ask. how is your thumb? The reason I asked is that have always wondered that when this happens your thumb is right behind the slide and is sure to get bit hard by the slide.

thanks.
 
Sorry about what happen, but I have to ask. how is your thumb? The reason I asked is that have always wondered that when this happens you thumb is right behind the slide and is sure to get bit hard by the slide.

I imagine unless you are in a bad way, your thumb is simply pushed out of the way. You might suffer a nick, but nothing terrible.
 
Around Christmas time I accidently fired my gun (a Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II) INSIDE MY HOUSE.

Geeze... I thought only Glock owners had negligent discharges. ;)

Anyway, it can happen to the best of us. Last weekend I had a seasoned Vietnam war vet accidentally point a pistol straight at my face at the shooting range.:what: Luckily, he had proper trigger etiquette and didn't blow my head open. I told him to stop, he apologized, and stopped. Again... it CAN happen to the best of us. Luckily, no one got hurt.

Anyway, learn from your mistake, and remember it well so it never happens again. Thanks for sharing it as a reminder to all of us. Keep that 1911 cocked and locked like it was designed to do.


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I have a Springfield Armory 1911A1 and I love it. But to be honest, i don't keep a round in the chamber. While some will argue and tell you that every milli-second counts in a confrontation; I believe that training and familiarity can offset most time issues. I am quite comfortable chambering a round at the time I need it. For carry purposes, that's why I have a SigSauer P220. It has a decocker to put it back into double action mode. Same with my backup 32 auto. But I love my Springfield 1911A1. But I would never carry it or leave it at home with a round in the chamber. With enough practice, it is totally not necessary. And anyone who says you lose too much precious time having to chamber a round, is thinking more from a Hollywood movie standpoint than a break in that you are awakened at 2am for. And again, i don't carry it, so that isn't an issue.

But definitely thanks for sharing your experience. Thank God that you, family, and guests were not hurt. Safety is everything. later... mike....
 
Sorry about what happen, but I have to ask. how is your thumb? The reason I asked is that have always wondered that when this happens your thumb is right behind the slide and is sure to get bit hard by the slide.
Nothing at all happened to my thumb or any part of my hand. I can't tell you why, because I don't remember exactly what happened at the point the gun fired. It's like when I was knocked unconscious in a car accident once. I remember the other car running the light and about to T-bone the car I was in, I remember thinking it was going to be bad, but I don't remember the impact, just waking up in a wrecked car.

So I remember I was going to let the hammer down, and the next thing I remember is my head ringing, my ears not working, and wondering what the heck had happened. It actually took a long couple of seconds for me to realize I had a gun in my hand and had just fired it. Weird feeling.

If I had to guess, I was using my left thumb and forefinger, and they were kind of pinching the hammer as I was letting it down, so neither my thumb or forefinger were directly behind the slide, and they were bent at the knuckle, so if the slide hit them, they gave real quick with no damage.

But that's just a guess. All I know for sure is that I didn't hurt my thumb, finger, or hand.
 
I did not recover the round, although it is still possible I might if I really look for it. It went into a walk-in closet on our 2nd floor back deck that can only be entered from a door outside the house on the deck. And the bullet never left the closet, so it's in there somewhere. But, so far, I have only made a cursory inspection to see where the bullet entered the closet, to see if there was an exit hole, and to see if the bullet hit anything of value in there. It's my wife's closet, so I can't just run in there and start throwing things around like I can in the garage. :eek:

I saw the hole where the bullet entered the closet and splintered some wood shelves as it traveled further into the closet, but there is no exit hole, so the bullet is still there. Somewhere.
 
Man, maybe I'm anal or something, but I just don't see how people do this! I keep my 1911's cocked and locked, but I frequently lower the hammer on them for various reasons, and I have NO problems or qualms about doing it.

In my own opinion and experience, there's only ONE way for me to do this safely, and that's by using BOTH hands. I'll grip the hammer with the thumb and forefinger of my left hand, and I'll put the middle finger UNDER the hammer, over the firing pin. Then I can lower the hammer very slowly, with total control over it.

Anyone that tries to de-cock a 1911 with ONE hand is begging for trouble.
 
Yet another reason its better to leave a 1911 cocked and locked. I've tried repeatedly to decock my gun smoothly. Its just not pratical for me. Its just extra steps to do every day for no reason.

I throw my Kimber in her holster cocked and locked and leave her there. When its time to go back in the safe to switch to another gun, I drop the mag and cycle the slide to clear the weapon. Or I toss her in the safe still loaded and cocked and locked. It ain't going to shoot itself.
 
Can happen to anyone, I've got an ND story, too. :eek: I bet that was the cheapest and best safety training you'll receive. People make mistakes, I'm glad you were fortunate; be safe and carry on. :)
 
Thanks.

We all need to consider safety. That day could have been the worst day of your life. Thank God it was simply a humbling and embarrassing mistake with little consiquence. We have all have, at one point or another, gotten lazy with regard to firearms safety. Thanks for having the guts to post your mistake. We will all consider how that would feel if that was us. You have helped to make the rest of us realize how easy it is to make a mistake. We should all learn from this posting.
 
I to have several sigle actions and they are play guns for the range and coarse shooting ,I will not carry a SA because of the fact it is easer to screw up under stress than with a revolver or a da only handgun. Glad all is ok conceder'n.
 
That's the main reason I do not like the 1911 as a CCW. I prefer a DA/SA with decocker for safety sake. I'm glad nobody was hurt.
 
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