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Old Army Rugers--A Question or Two

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Gun Slinger, I certainly hope not. I'm just gonna let them say what they please and refuse to answer. When somebody come's up with something like that I'll just add them to my ignore list that's already got about 14 people on it. I'm always looking for people to add to the list. Mr. Joe who just made that last post went on it a few moments ago. When they make that list they never get off. There's people who have been on there since my first week on this forum. I make it my mission in life to weed out all of those that are insulting without cause, filled with jealousy, anger and stupidity, (just a few of those on here) and get them out of my face. That way all I have to do is sit here and read good, smart, intelligent and friendly people and enjoy myself....
 
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LOL,.......Mr. Gentleman,......how'd you know i was talking about you? :D

Seriously,......no doubt you love your '58 Pietta's,......sinking so much dough into each of them. But if you felt the need to have the internals hardened, as you mentioned,......then i'd say the Ruger's are a step above,... quality build wise. :scrutiny:

.......in any case,.....shoot the hell out of um and enjoy!!!! ;)

Edited to add: Well,....i just realized i made his "ignore" list,......so i guess he'll never know i was just ribbing him a little with my very 1st post here. Gentleman,.......if you ever get wind of this,.......take me off your list, .......gosh darn it,.......you're too darn sensitive. I'm a friendly guy,......really!!!!

Mr. Joseph..What's wrong? You jealous? My '58's shot real good right out of the box. They were balanced real good right out of the box to. Don't you wish you had one of my '58's? Why of course you do you poor little thing. Well, I don't want one of your roa's. Goodbye....
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LOL,.......Mr. Gentleman,......how'd you know i was talking about you?

Seriously,......no doubt you love your '58 Pietta's,......sinking so much dough into each of them. But if you felt the need to have the internals hardened, as you mentioned,......then i'd say the Ruger's are a step above,... quality build wise.

.......in any case,.....shoot the hell out of um and enjoy!!!!

Edited to add: Well,....i just realized i made his "ignore" list,......so i guess he'll never know i was just ribbing him a little with my very 1st post here. Gentleman,.......if you ever get wind of this,.......take me off your list, .......gosh darn it,.......you're too darn sensitive. I'm a friendly guy,......really!!!!
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Bozo filters are for bozos, not first time posters. :D

To stay on topic, Montana Billy, I don't own a ROA, so I can't help you with your questions.

In fact, none of the replies here can help you with your questions, because you haven't logged back into your account since you created it 4-25-2009 and made the original post starting this thread. :p
 
Thanks Ginormous,.......maybe GOC will read my reply after all,.......and i "might" be the 1st ever removed from his ignore list! :scrutiny:


........mighta been a little too quick on da trigger. ;)
 
I wouldn't worry much about it, joej. This forum, Black Powder forum, is usually the most cordial on this board. I normally come here when I wanna get away from all the hate threads on the auto, revolver, etc forums. LOL So, this thread is not the norm. The norm is to run into Ruger hate on the auto board. :D I've never seen any such thing on this board until now and only from one guy.
 
I picked up an unused NIB ROA last Saturday afternoon at my favorite gunshop and shot it this morning at the range.

What can I say?

I had the most fun that I've had in a long time and was it accurate! It was cutting 3 shot "cloverleafs" at 25 yds with no problem and is alot of fun on the 100 yard (8") plates as it was giving me 9/10 and sometimes 10/10 hit against it once I got "dialed in".

Definitely a "keeper".

Love the smoke, too. :)
 
Gun Slinger, Good morning sir. Glad it worked out for you. People have a right to like (or not like) whatever they choose, and the right to spend their money as they please so long as they're not doing something like taking food off of their wife's dinner table or clothes off of their children's backs so to speak.
Different people like different models. Depend's on a lot of stuff. Balance, handling, accuracy etc. I like what I'vd got I know that for sure. I don't regret a penny I spent. If he wasn't a real close friend I wouldn't have gotten off as cheaply as I did. Do you have any idea how many gun barrels a 'smith might have to cut (drill) before he end's up with a perfect barrel? I'vd got 8 of them so you know he was doing some damn work. Over 3 years worth and it's just a blessing it didn't take 6 or 7 years. I don't have a lot of money so I paid him off with a down payment and then monthly payments just like buying a car or something... Well, I don't reckon I regret any of it. They're mine. I'vd got them. The sort of funny thing about it is that I could pick out just one of those '58's or carbines and carry it and use it every day for the rest of my life and I couldn't wear it out. But like I said; I'vd got them and I'm happy with them.
Anyway, I'm always glad to hear that someone found something they are satisfied with and that it is doing a good job for them. Different strokes for different folks....
 
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The ROA cost against the box stores(Cabelas,Bass Pro)Piettas,Uberti etc. is what killed the ROA .The US steel co. produce the best steel,and have some of the best gun builders in the world.The cost of production usually determines the outcome.I know that Purdy,and some of the English sword makers are quiet capable of excellent smithing,but on a production basis,the US gun makers are hard to beat.Old world craftsmanship is legendary,but Colt,Browning,Henry,set the stage many years ago.
 
I thought I would add my two cents to this post. I have three Remmies, three Colts, and a SS Ruger with 7 and 1\2inch target sighted barrel with white grips. For me the ROA is more accurate than any of them, easier to cap, load, and clean than a Colt. In fact the only BP pistol I have ever damaged while firing was a Walker last year when I loaded with 2 Pyrodex pellets for a total of sixty grains and damaged the frame in behind the wedge. The wedge was evidently harder than the frame because it pushed up like an accordian. I wasn't proud of my deed but it happened none the less!
 
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The ROA cost against the box stores(Cabelas,Bass Pro)Piettas,Uberti etc. is what killed the ROA .

I don't understand. What does that mean?
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What I think he means is that the higher prices for the ROA verses the relatively lower prices that the online & large retailers charge for the Italian C&B's led to a decline in ROA sales & Ruger's decision to terminate its production. :)
 
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If they would have just built the gun to hold 50 gr it would be a good hunter. I'll keep the roa for now but i'll hunt with the Walker.
 
I'm finding it hard to believe some of you guy's are defending a gun like a wife or child here! I've had 3 ROA's, they shot perfectly but felt clunky, I sold them. I've got a SS Pietta 58', a 2nd Gen Colt, a Uberti Walker and a Euroarms Rogers and Spencer. I've had "love affairs" with each of these guns as they came into my life and they are all good shooters but I would take my R&S hands down over any other cap and baller I've ever had (20+ over the years). Why? Personal taste. That's why there are so many to choose from out there!! By the way, the weapons of choice in the International BP Match Shooting, in the Colt division, are the Remmington and the Rogers & Spencer, don't know if there is a modern division, if there is I would suppose the ROA would have a niche.
 
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What I think he means is that the higher prices for the ROA verses the relatively lower prices that the online & large retailers charge for the Italian C&B's led to a decline in ROA sales & Ruger's decision to terminate its production.
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Well, if that's what he meant it's not correct. Obviously it's true that Pietta and Uberti guns cost less than the ROA, but Ruger never considered them to be the competition. The ROA was not designed to compete with the Italian imports - it was intended for a different market: the high end percussion revolver. That's clear from the design of the action itself, plus the material choices and machining details.

Ruger's competition was itself - the Blackhawk and Vaquero, and the management rationale presented to the Ruger board of directors shows that clearly. The production lines could produce the Blackhawk and Vaquero at a greater profit than the ROA, so management made a very simple, easy decision: build the Blackhawk and Vaquero and stop building the ROA. Put another way, the cost of building the ROA expressed as return on investment in labor and materials exceeded that of those other two guns. It had nothing to do with the price of less well made foreign guns.
 
When sales are bad, Ruger's Marketing Department decides to nix the gun. At least that was what I was told when I attended their armorers' school over a decade ago.
 
Someone asked about base pins.I think they wanted Belt Mountain Base Pins.
Back to the guns.You can spend more money,but you can't get more gun than a Ruger. I've had a coupla three of them ROA's.As someone else said,mechanically the best thing out there with nipples [guns!I'm talking about guns!] Ruger doesn't make them anymore because they don't have to. The darn things don't break.All that said,I [sort of ] agree with the charcoaly gentleman.I like guns they really had,back in the day.Like the Spiller and Burr.If I was buying just one handgun to live off the land with a ROA stainless with a .45 Colt conversion cylinder would be a good choice.Fortunately,I'm not in that scenario,so I'll take a brass framed .36 Civil War revolver,that DID exist over even the Cadillac of BP revolvers,arguablly the best one EVER made,the Ruger.
 
Well, if you want a gun they had back in the day, do you want a Pietta or a Colt?

I see no reason why I shouldn't enjoy both, personally. I have my ROA for my shooting preferences, though. Thing will be shooting when my .31 Remmy turns to dust. My old '51 Navy has already turned to dust.

Why should I be told to choose between them? Why can't I own and enjoy them all? I do miss ROA production, never got to pick up a 5 1/2" stainless fixed sight one. Would love to have that one since my old stainless ROA got ripped off. I ain't sellin' my blued ROA regardless.

Jeez, I need to go shoot and quit yappin'. :D
 
Gentlemen, it seems the Colt signature series Walker and the Uberti Walker are my favorite,,,,wait, my 2 ROAs are my favorite,,,,,,no,no, wait, my baby dragoon is my,,,wait a minute, my Remmie 58 is,,, no my engraved Sherrifs model.............. Well, now you see why I won't ever be able to have a brothel,, I'm just tooo darn jealous.
 
Mykeal ,Cabelas,and all the box stores have put many people out of business,and the cheap Italian stuff put Ruger out of the BP business.You even said it in your own post.Its not the first time imports have had a negative experience on US products.I fight this stuff all the time in my business.Inferior cheap made Italian iron (labor cost) added up to Rugers BP demise.
 
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Now, as for Ruger's production decision; I see nothing in my post that suggests the Italian imports put the ROA out of business. That's tantamount to saying Isetta put Chrysler out of business. They were simply not competitors, it's as simple as that. And Ruger's decision is entirely understandable as the kind of decision made by businessmen every day.
 
Well, I went and made some acidic smoke with my ROA and my Hawken yesterday. I'm good. :D Didn't take the .31, should do that next range trip. I haven't shot it in a while.

And, GOC, I'd buy you a beer, don't really care how much you hate Rugers. :D Firearms are a personal thing.
 
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