One Gun A Month Headed For NJ Assembly Floor - Monday!

[Cavalier Knight]

Please Contact Your Assembly Members and Assembly Leadership Immediately!

The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol clubs needs your help now!

On Monday, June 23, the New Jersey Assembly is scheduled to vote on A339 - New Jersey's latest version of gun rationing legislation, which affects collectors, sportsmen, target shooters, and interferes with the inheritance of firearms.

The legislation, sponsored by Assemblywoman Joan Quigley (D-32), would criminalize the purchase of more than one handgun per month by honest citizens, even though they have already been pre-certified by the state as law abiding citizens after passing a comprehensive 13-point background investigation. Multiple handgun permits could not be used during the same 30-day period, and permits that could not be used before their expiration date would become useless.

The legislation restricts the rights of law abiding citizens, and fails to address the true source of "gun violence" - criminals. A New Jersey court recently invalidated similar legislation brought at the local level, holding that there is no rational relationship between restricting the number of firearms purchased by law abiding citizens and crime.

Please contact your Assembly members TODAY and respectfully urge them to oppose A339! To find your Assembly member,click here.

In addition to contacting your own Assembly member, please also IMMEDIATELY contact the Speaker of the Assembly and respectfully urge him to HOLD A339:

ASSEMBLY SPEAKER:

Assemblyman Joseph Roberts (D-5)
[email protected]
Phone: (609) 292-7065
Fax: (856) 742-1831

 

[Standing Wolf]

Well, yes, but those uppity commoners who believe they're entitled to have guns, which are the prerogative of better people, after all, deserve to be slapped across their collective face.

 

[wyocarp]

There is no way I could live on one gun a month although I could see my wife supporting a law like this.

 

[dcal]

Here are the committee members, please contact them and urge them to vote against this garbage legislation. I've included how each person voted on it the last time the committee met regarding this legislation.

If any of you NJ folk are interested there is a group trying to get things changed here. New Jersey Coalition for Self Defense (NJCSD).

Voted YES
Johnson, Gordon M. - Chair
PHONE NUMBER:
(201) 541-1118 (Englewood)
(201) 928-0100 (Teaneck)

Voted NO
Albano, Nelson T. - Vice-Chair
PHONE NUMBERS:
(609) 465-0700 (Cape May Court House)
(609) 926-3779 (Somers Point)
(856) 293-8353 (Millville)
(856) 696-7109 (Vineland)

Voted YES
Bramnick, Jon M.
PHONE NUMBER:
(908) 232-3673 (Westfield)
(908) 918-0414 (Summit)

Voted YES
Rible, David P.
PHONE NUMBER:
(732)-974-0400

Voted YES
Spencer, L. Grace
PHONE NUMBER:
(973) 624-1730

 

[divemedic]

I have been trying to buy one gun a month for awhile, but the most I have ever done is 10 in one year.

 

[Sam Adams]

Not that it would really make such a law palatable, but is there any provision for more than 1/month for those inheriting firearms?

My folks live in NJ (I escaped about 7 1/2 years ago), and I'm quite certain that I'm the one who'll get their guns eventually (and I'm in no rush for obvious reasons). Hypothetically speaking, I could just drive up there and take whatever I was left, but I'd love to do it legally and not have to worry about getting pulled over.**

Whether this passes or not, it still SUCKS. Glad to be in Texas.

**I already had to do that once. On my way out of NJ, my wife & I passed the "Welcome to Delaware" sign on the DMB. I turned to her and said, "Now you don't have to worry about bailing me out of jail." I got the expected and desired wide eyes and open mouth. Answering her questions of "WHY? WHAT DID YOU DO?," I explained about NJ's AWB and its ban on >15 round magazines. Then she said, "How many do you have?" I said, "Oh, about 200 years in Rahway [max security state prison] are about 18 inches behind my @$$." She pondered for a moment and then asked, "Do they have laws like that in Texas?" I said, "No, Texas is in America."

 

[ZombieHunter]

We have a similar law in MD, but to my knowledge collectors can, and do, apply for a waiver and recieve it. As for most of the common folk...I wish I could buy one gun a month...as it is...one gun in 24 years. The people affected by this law are probably few and far between, as such I do think this is one of the few commonsense anti-gunrunner laws. Flame-on...

 

[armabill]

But it's the principle of the thing, I don't buy one a month but why should those who can not be able to buy.

Once this is passed, more laws surely will be on the way.

And don't call me Shirley!

 

[Cougfan2]

"No, Texas is in America."

Touche'

 

[Cougfan2]

as such I do think this is one of the few commonsense anti-gunrunner laws.

I'm not trying to get in your face, but would you support only being able to purchase one car per household to cut down on the chances of automobile accidents? Maybe I'm dense, but I just don't get the difference.

 

[Tom488]

The people affected by this law are probably few and far between, as such I do think this is one of the few commonsense anti-gunrunner laws

The proposed law is completely ridiculous. Do you understand the hoops you have to jump through purchase a handgun in NJ? For those that don't, let me run them down quickly:

- Fill out application at your local PD, including a waiver to check your mental health records.
- Supply 2 references, who will be given questionaires to fill out, asking if they know of any reason why you shouldn't be allowed to purchase a handgun
- Provide your state-issued SBI number, which you only get after supplying your fingerprints, and having a complete state and federal background check performed.
- Wait for another background check to be completed, both by the mental health people, and a police detective.
- After waiting for between 2 weeks and four months (even though the statutes say 30 days max - courts have ruled the PD can take as long as they want to), you finally receive your permits.

Now, once you purchase a handgun (and pass the federal NICS check - yet ANOTHER background check), the dealer fills out your four-part permit. You get a copy, he keeps one, the issuing PD gets a copy, and the state police get a copy. On this permit, the dealer fills out make, model, caliber, and serial number, along with all your identifying attributes. So, this means that both the local PD and the state police know EACH AND EVERY gun you purchase.

Now... given all that, do you REALLY think that people are applying for multiple permits to acquire handguns, so that they can sell them illegally to other criminals? That's exactly what the proponents of this law claim (including the chief of police and the mayor of Jersey City, where this concept originated).

I only WISH the criminals were that stupid. And, if they are, then it's simply a case of laziness on that part of our law enforcement. When a gun used in a crime is recovered, it should be a simple matter to trace it back to the last legal purchaser. And, unless it was reported stolen, I have no problem going after the registered owner of that handgun HARD.

But, since that's too much like real work, we'll just ban EVERYONE from acquiring more than one gun per month. After all, it worked so well in Virginia.

 

[v35]

Multiple handgun permits could not be used during the same 30-day period, and permits that could not be used before their expiration date would become useless.

Stupid question I know, but after waiting for up to a year for your application to purchase one gun, isn't the effect of a "one-a-month" law really a "one-a-year" law? Would the likelihood of it passing change if the bill were given this more appropriate title?

 

[Tom488]

Stupid question I know, but after waiting for up to a year for your application to purchase one gun, isn't the effect of a "one-a-month" law really a "one-a-year" law?

Depending on the amount of time an individual department takes to process an application, absolutely. I expressed this concern last year, when this legislation first came up - the fact that it would be enforced by departments only allowing you to apply for one permit at a time - which effectively makes it a "one gun a quarter", or "one gun every 6 months", or even "one gun a year", in some jurisdictions.

And the impact on crime? To quote a favorite classic film

(Mr. Blutarski.....) zero... point... zero

 

[gmark340]

New here but I've sent emails off to the committee chair and my assemblypersons, who have been very supportive in the past. As one of them pointed out to me, and I believe correctly so, that these types of proposals tend not to be political along party lines as much as city versus rural.

 

[Tom609]

proposals tend not to be political along party lines as much as city versus rural.

True. Legislators from the rural south tend to vote against this crap. Maybe we should renew the push to secede and become part of Pa.

 

[wyocarp]

The people affected by this law are probably few and far between, as such I do think this is one of the few commonsense anti-gunrunner laws.

How can anyone on this forum feel this law would be okay? Granted, I've never bought more than four guns in a week, but I wouldn't want to have more problems than we currently do to buy guns. There are a lot of guns that I buy in pairs. For those of us who do, we should not be restricted to one a month.

 

[M203Sniper]

Stop electing Democrats.

Fight your way back into the union.

Good luck.

 

[flynnguy]

I feel there is no hope left in NJ. Let's face it, the politicians in this state are about as corrupt as they come. Corrupt politicians don't like the citizens to be armed. I find it ridiculous that I could probably sell my house and move to say PA and buy a gun before I could get one in NJ. (I am currently waiting for my FID card and pistol purchase permit) Have all these laws made NJ any safer? Have these laws kept guns out of the hands of criminals?

No, I read a story a few months ago about a CCWer who defended himself in Easton, PA. His attackers were two thugs who just got out of prison in Trenton and still managed to get a gun. How could they have gotten a gun if they just got out of prison, didn't anyone tell them they had to get a FID card and a pistol purchase permit and being felons would be denied? Oh wait I get it, they bought them illegally. :banghead: I feel so much safer with these laws in place which hinder law abiding citizens from getting guns.

But this law will get passed because the corrupt politicians can say they are doing something about those mean and nasty guns which is the stigma placed on them here in the lovely PRNJ. I mean just look at the .50 caliber ban that just passed. There was no reason for it, it's just another chip in the erosion of our rights. Unfortunately in order for it to change, I think public perception in NJ has to change about guns. Instead of being those bad things that gangs use to have gang wars and kill innocent bystanders, they should also be those things that good guys use to defend themselves. Unfortunately we get a lot of news from NYC where this anti-gun bias is well established.

I'm just hoping the heller case proves that it's an individual right and that most of these restrictions (such as in NYC and NJ) are unreasonable. If that happens, I can see a path to overturning these unlawful laws. Until then, I'll go get fingerprinted and jump through hoops and wait (probably 3-4 months) before I can get a gun. Unless someone is looking for a web developer and can help me finish up on some projects so I can sell my house and move out of this god forsaken state and move into free america.

 

[Tom609]

Stop electing Democrats

Unfortunately, it's not that easy. Party line is pretty hazy in NJ. It's more like Crips v. Bloods. There is only loyalty among "club" members and you can be screwed by either one with equal ease.

For the record, I made the calls. I predict that the legislators from the south will again be outvoted by the New York influenced northern legislators.

 

[v35]

Quote:
Stop electing [strike]Democrats[/strike] billionaire aristocrat gun-grabbing self-serving monarchs

Fixed it for you.

 

[M203Sniper]

Thanks V35.
I thought it was necessary for some people to read between the lines; a blow between the eyes with a hammer works as well I suppose.

You must be from NJ

 

[Tom609]

Hmmm

I'll attribute it to the heatwave out there.

 

[Mousegun]

I believe that just about all anti-gun legislation that has been proposed in PRNJ in the last few years has passed with flying colors.

I am NOT saying don't write to your reps. but this one is going to pass just like the others. What I am saying is write and vote against anyone who has favored this type of legislation.

PRNJ is 10 times worse now than when I left it 6 years ago.

The funny thing is what I though was gun heaven here in Tennessee has a number of bad points too. The situation is all relative. For example, now that I have a permit to carry, something I could never get in PRNJ, it sucks because I can't take my firearm to a nice restaurant because of the "no guns in bars" laws. All relative. They lead you to water but you have a hard time trying to get a good drink.

Any legislation that is passed in another state is detrimental to all states because there are those everywhere just waiting to see what they can get away with and a win somewhere else is fuel in the fire.

Good luck PRNJ people but I hate to say I think you will be in a bit more trouble starting tomorrow.