Only 256,162 braced firearms were registered with ATF during the 120-day "amnesty" period

[Jim Watson]

They don't have to enforce the regulations on everybody. A few highly publicized seizures and prosecutions will provide enough of a chilling effect that owners of Bad Guns will not be able to do much with them. Unless, of course they are Bad People who will use them to rob and murder which are also illegal.

 

[Spats McGee]

As an interesting aside to all of this... I talked to a guy last week who is retired from federal law enforcement. He and I got to talking about guns, and he mentioned liking his 9mm braced pistol. This was the day before the deadline, and he hadn't even heard about the brace rule.

 

[rust collector]

A quarter million have taken the opportunity for a "free" SBR, but if I recall correctly, the ATF absolution was conditioned upon the validity of the recent rule making. If the rule making is overturned, I have to wonder if the "no stamp get out of jail free" SBR authorization continues in effect.

 

[AJC1]

The best legal case will be one that comes from a state where sbrs are banned. If we're going to waste the money on legal proceedings, mise well end up with both up for review.

 

[old lady new shooter]

A quarter million have taken the opportunity for a "free" SBR, but if I recall correctly, the ATF absolution was conditioned upon the validity of the recent rule making. If the rule making is overturned, I have to wonder if the "no stamp get out of jail free" SBR authorization continues in effect.

 

[sevt_chevelle]

As someone who has a few suppressors, adding 2 "free" sbrs wasn't that big of a deal to me, am already on some list.

But according to some, I guess that makes me a Fudd and simp.

 

[AJC1]

As someone who has a few suppressors, adding 2 "free" sbrs wasn't that big of a deal to me, am already on some list.

But according to some, I guess that makes me a Fudd and simp.

If they already track you who cares....

 

[tactikel]

A “friend” threw away his brace, sold his pistol barrel, gas tube, and fore end at a garage sale. He installed a 16” setup and now is completely, and utterly compliant.

 

[tactikel]

They don't have to enforce the regulations on everybody. A few highly publicized seizures and prosecutions will provide enough of a chilling effect that owners of Bad Guns will not be able to do much with them. Unless, of course they are Bad People who will use them to rob and murder which are also illegal.

If they make a law that is impossible to comply with they can selectively enforce it against those they they wish to punish.

 

[mavracer]

A quarter million have taken the opportunity for a "free" SBR, but if I recall correctly, the ATF absolution was conditioned upon the validity of the recent rule making. If the rule making is overturned, I have to wonder if the "no stamp get out of jail free" SBR authorization continues in effect.

You still have an approved form 1 with ATF's signature. I plan on holding on to my brace til it all washes out though just in case.

 

[illinoisburt]

A quarter million have taken the opportunity for a "free" SBR, but if I recall correctly, the ATF absolution was conditioned upon the validity of the recent rule making. If the rule making is overturned, I have to wonder if the "no stamp get out of jail free" SBR authorization continues in effect.

There is no basis to think they would invalidate the existing approvals since the only real difference with the braces was allowing a waiver of the tax fees on an SBR application, which they already did in some circumstances in the past. You could have, and may people did, applied to make an SBR before this entire mess took place. I think it's fairly safe to say most people buying an AR pistol were quite aware it was a wink-n-nod workaround to the SBR rules.

 

[rust collector]

I think it's fairly safe to say most people buying an AR pistol were quite aware it was a wink-n-nod workaround to the SBR rules.

You might be surprised to find out how many AR pistols were sold before the brace was developed. Even those who purchased after The Letter did so with the understanding that the brace was legit. And it was, until it wasn't.

 

[illinoisburt]

You might be surprised to find out how many AR pistols were sold before the brace was developed. Even those who purchased after The Letter did so with the understanding that the brace was legit. And it was, until it wasn't.

I don't doubt people were buying a legitimate item, as they absolutely were legal until just recently. It does not change my opinion that the vast majority of people who acquired one did so to use the pistol as a SBR. I don't recall seeing a lot of one-handed firing and manufacturers changed their designs very quickly from nylon arm strap to all kinds of items which were designed for more comfortable firing from the shoulder.

 

[citizenconn]

A quarter million have taken the opportunity for a "free" SBR, but if I recall correctly, the ATF absolution was conditioned upon the validity of the recent rule making. If the rule making is overturned, I have to wonder if the "no stamp get out of jail free" SBR authorization continues in effect.

I could be wrong, but I did not understand the new ruling as allowing anyone who registers their braced pistol to use anything other than the brace on it, i.e. they could not put a regular stock on it even if the registered it as a braced pistol. I've not seen anything that indicates this to be the case one way or the other, otherwise I might have been more interested in applying (if I had a braced pistol, that is.)

 

[illinoisburt]

I could be wrong, but I did not understand the new ruling as allowing anyone who registers their braced pistol to use anything other than the brace on it, i.e. they could not put a regular stock on it even if the registered it as a braced pistol. I've not seen anything that indicates this to be the case one way or the other, otherwise I might have been more interested in applying (if I had a braced pistol, that is.)

The approval is for a short barrelled rifle. Once you have the approval letter, you are perfectly free to change around the configuration.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/onc...rm is registered,the configuration of the SBR.

 

[citizenconn]

The approval is for a short barrelled rifle. Once you have the approval letter, you are perfectly free to change around the configuration.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/once-firearm-registered-short-barreled-rifle-sbr-can-i-removechange-“stabilizing-brace”#:~:text=Yes, the firearm is registered,the configuration of the SBR.

I wish someone had been publicizing that part more. Maybe if the ATF had lead with that more people would have registered them.

Of course that is assuming that the ATF would approve the applications. I think a lot of people felt the application process was a trap to get serial numbers registered then not approve the applications and come after those who tried to register them. The way the current administration is pushing to ban semi autos so hard I would be hesitant to trust the veracity of their intentions.

Thanks for the info though. I'm hoping to get some feedback on some of those who did send in applications and see if they were approved or denied.

 

[mavracer]

I wish someone had been publicizing that part more. Maybe if the ATF had lead with that more people would have registered them.

Of course that is assuming that the ATF would approve the applications. I think a lot of people felt the application process was a trap to get serial numbers registered then not approve the applications and come after those who tried to register them. The way the current administration is pushing to ban semi autos so hard I would be hesitant to trust the veracity of their intentions.

Thanks for the info though. I'm hoping to get some feedback on some of those who did send in applications and see if they were approved or denied.

It's in the FAQ on the ATF website

 

[lysanderxiii]

I don't doubt people were buying a legitimate item, as they absolutely were legal until just recently. It does not change my opinion that the vast majority of people who acquired one did so to use the pistol as a SBR. I don't recall seeing a lot of one-handed firing and manufacturers changed their designs very quickly from nylon arm strap to all kinds of items which were designed for more comfortable firing from the shoulder.

Whether or not people were using it as a "work-around" is immaterial to the question at hand. If the ATF felt that braces were a "work-around," they should have ruled that braces were SBRs from the beginning.

 

[mavracer]

Whether or not people were using it as a "work-around" is immaterial to the question at hand. If the ATF felt that braces were a "work-around," they should have ruled that braces were SBRs from the beginning.

Probably would of had they had SB tactical submitted the brace on a 14" barreled AR with a short eye relief scope.

 

[lysanderxiii]

Probably would of had they had SB tactical submitted the brace on a 14" barreled AR with a short eye relief scope.

So, what was the first one they ruled on?

Presumably it was a barrel shorter than 16" as braces were for "pistols."

 

[mavracer]

So, what was the first one they ruled on?

Presumably it was a barrel shorter than 16" as braces were for "pistols."

 

[tarosean]

Since you're going to have to do that anyway now that a braced pistol is an unregistered SBR as of a couple days ago.

I went the bullpup route. Same OAL as my 10.5” AR and legal to be in my RV in most states

 

[mavracer]

I went the bullpup route. Same OAL as my 10.5” AR and legal to be in my RV in most states

Regardless of whether you registered your 10.5" AR or not. If you take the brace off it's a pistol and you can take it to the same states as you could prior to the rule.

 

[Balrog]

I went the bullpup route. Same OAL as my 10.5” AR and legal to be in my RV in most states

I have thought about trying a bullpup for a long time... Which one did you go with?

 

[JERRY]

Wow ~ 5 million instant felons unless they removed the brace; all because of one person's change of opinion.