Open Carrier Robbed at Gunpoint

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Yep. Rather not advertise my valuables and try not to be where BGs rob people.

OC draws attention to one not in a uniform and so I don't OC unless way, way out in the field.

Coming up with a mitt full of pistol in response to a BG's demand is preferred.

That said, hope it never happens, but these days... getting a little older.... wearing nice clothes... driving a nice car... Just too many ding-a-lings out there.
 
Note that there is a whole lot of conjecture but little data regarding motivation in the article and vid. The bad guy got the drop on this OC'er and he's lucky to still be alive. If the bad guy got the drop on a CCW'er I doubt the outcome would have been much different. I'm skeptical that his mode of carry made him a target or affected the outcome.
 
Well, there's always this video to consider.

Seriously, there's a strategy/tactic truth to this worth raising here. The BG doesn't know about the CCW. It's up to you to leave it concealed and hand over the loot. You might even hand over the weapon if it looks like it will be discovered. But maybe (and I have some experience with this), you can engage the BG verbally and go off-script, maybe get his guard down a bit, and in the act of pretending to go for your wallet, out comes Mr 9mm. Surprise!

Remember that the BG first has to recognize that you are drawing. If you're smooth, you have about a second of his reaction time free off the top. Depending on distance, angles, lighting, this could be viable. Carrying openly cedes a lot of advantages, and seems more appropriate to rural settings.
 
Everyone that keeps making the comment on "I would rather CC/CCW, etc" needs to realize that in Wisconsin the only LEGAL way to carry is OC. Stop making the same comment on how OC is bad, blah blah blah, it is irrelevant in this context. The only option law-abiding citizens have is OC in this situation and this man took advantage of that and carried his rig as he legally could.

Damian
 
The question remains in WI: Will you carry openly, or not at all? We only got our state approved CCW law about six years ago in Ohio. Before that it was OC or not at all, so I know where WI residents are at now. Obviously, there will be an occasional negative outcome of an OC and/or robbery incident, just as another person might have seen it coming, drawn, and stopped the robbery. People will still have to decide how to carry, what to plan for, and whether or not they will DO what they plan to do..........
 
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Another point to consider. Now that an OCer has been robbed by a criminal the word is out, and it goes without saying that other criminals will start to think they can pull it off as well.
 
Another point to consider. Now that an OCer has been robbed by a criminal the word is out, and it goes without saying that other criminals will start to think they can pull it off as well.
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And here, look!:eek:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=528443

Now they hit a gun shop and they know where we keep the new stuff.:what::what: Better conceal those gun shops before that happens again!!:rolleyes:

Besides, my holster is way to pretty to be covered up. ;)
 
The vast majority of OC'ers in the U.S. carry in Level II or III holsters, have retention training, and usually back-up somewhat close by. The person in the original post (as with most OC supporters) have none of the above.
 
I bet this is a ploy to get WI a CCW bill started.
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Ploy????:fire: Some guy gets robbed ....

I live in WI & our current governator will not sign a ccw law.
This is also why he isn't running for reelection.
Because he knows there's no way he'd win.

I'm praying our next governator will sign one.
 
It's going to be an empirical question as to whether civilian OC'ers are going to be targeted.

Most of them will probably stay in safe neighborhoods so that confounds the issue. If they were to stroll in bad neighborhoods with populations not that intimidated by guns?

Who knows?

I doubt folks from bad areas will make specific trips to good areas to find the OC'ers there but who knows.
 
I live in WI & our current governator will not sign a ccw law.
This is also why he isn't running for reelection.
Because he knows there's no way he'd win.
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IMHO, your legislature is complicit in all this. If they really wanted to pass Concealed Carry, they would have overridden the veto. They knew Doyle would veto it when they passed it, so the whole thing was just for show. (how much tax money did they waste on this little charade?)
 
Well who brings a knife to a gun fight? Someone who doesn't know they have a gun. It's pretty simple, normally you wouldn't try to rob someone if you knew they had a gun, unless of course you had something to match it. From there all you need to do is catch them off guard. Now if it had been concealed, the guy wouldn't have probably had a gun. In my case, I carry my .45 1911 in the small of my back. This allows me to reach for my "wallet" when they demand it. (For those of you who are slow, "wallet" means my .45) this just gives me the upper hand. So they'll be expecting money, but instead they'll be only getting .45
 
Well who brings a knife to a gun fight? Someone who doesn't know they have a gun. It's pretty simple, normally you wouldn't try to rob someone if you knew they had a gun, unless of course you had something to match it. From there all you need to do is catch them off guard. Now if it had been concealed, the guy wouldn't have probably had a gun.
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So, you really think a BG is going to look at his intended victim, and then CHOOSE which weapon he is going to use based on the appearance of the victim? What's he going to do, open his trench and go along the line of weapons in there..... let's see we have the switchblade, we have the dagger, we have the broadsword, we have the .38, and we have the SBR....
 
smince wrote: "The vast majority of OC'ers in the U.S. carry in Level II or III holsters, have retention training, and usually back-up somewhat close by."

Can you substantiate that?
 
"So it really is a very unusual situation, very unique," Clark said.
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Not really; many peace officers, armored transport personnal, etc have found out it is not a magic wand either.

But for most people it works most of the time.

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Everyone that keeps making the comment on "I would rather CC/CCW, etc" needs to realize that in Wisconsin the only LEGAL way to carry is OC.

Indeed.
The ignorance is getting repetitive, isn't it?
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This thread should be locked,

"Wisconsin the only legal way to carry is OC"
 
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