Open Carry Deters Armed Robbery
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daehawc
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Great story to finally see in the news. It is hard enough to prove the deterent benefit to the good guys owning guns but gets somewhat easier when the bad guys say it publicly for us.
BTW, I live in NC and as the previous poster said it is rare to see. Opencarry.org is a great place to meet other like minded people and share stories of open carry in whatever state you live in. I've attended a couple open carry dinners at local resteraunts with some of the people I met there. Its a refreshing experience.
BTW, I live in NC and as the previous poster said it is rare to see. Opencarry.org is a great place to meet other like minded people and share stories of open carry in whatever state you live in. I've attended a couple open carry dinners at local resteraunts with some of the people I met there. Its a refreshing experience.
mljdeckard
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Kennesaw GA is NOT the only town that requires gun ownership. My hometown of Virgin, UT also requires that every household have a firearm.
I guess you're not aware of the fact that Waffle House restaurants are cash cows. You can't find a seat on weekends - lines are out the door.Really? Two car loads of armed guys to rob any place they want and they picked Waffle House? Wow.
Been quite awhile since I was in a Waffle House or anything similar at 5am .
Usually even in my younger days when after a night of drinking and would go to one with some pals to sober up B4 heading home by 3am or so these kinds of places started getting pretty empty .
If there were two cars with others waiting for a go signal it sounds like they had no intention of leaving any witnesses from the start , it dosen't take that many people to rob a joint that late/early of the day .
If I were a armed customer and they came in I would start shooting just as soon as I had justification at 5am .
Double Naught Spy
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Not really. How else can you be sure of an effective takeover robbery if you don't have enough people to deal with a potentially large number of victims. Here in north Texas, we have had several where 4-6 robbers have gone in and robbed the business and the customers at Waffle Houses and other eateries.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/Robbers-storm-busy-Dallas-restaurants-65880242.html
If you have 6 guys, do you really want all 6 trying to pile out of a car and then after the robbery have all 6 try to pile back in to it?
Deltaboy1984
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I would pay it cool until I saw it was not going to be a good day. Then it would be kill to keep from being killed.
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rondog said:
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LeontheProfessional
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I am really surprised that anyone would try a Robbery in Kennesaw. I know I wouldn't. I think this also settles the whole open carry debate that has been going on around here.
. I think this also settles the whole open carry debate that has been going on around here.
Double Naught Spy
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Ah, the "it won't happen here" mindset that seems to get so many people into trouble.
Singular examples rarely settle debates. Armed guards protecting banks, important people, etc. often dissuade attacks, and then again, many times they don't. Sometimes they are just the first ones shot.
IdahoLT1
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Double Naught Spy said:
It's not a singular example. I'm sure you're aware but interviews/studies have shown that convicted criminals would move to another target if they knew someone was armed. In any case, a lot of bank robberies are planned out. If there is an armed guard there, they will more than likely know about it and likely plan for it.
These would be robbers likely sent the scout to look for a uniformed officer. If there was one, they probably would have left to go rob another place. These would be robbers fall into the majority of criminals that would find another target if the current one is armed.
jackstinson
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While reading this thread, a mental image comes to mind of the Waffle House that is nearest to me.
They have a "guard" in the parking lot at night and he has pepper spray!
Since WH's are mostly glass walls, why not hang your holster on the seat back where it can be seen from the parking lot?
Although, if you are eating Waffle House food, concern for your personal health is a non-issue.
They have a "guard" in the parking lot at night and he has pepper spray!
Since WH's are mostly glass walls, why not hang your holster on the seat back where it can be seen from the parking lot?
Although, if you are eating Waffle House food, concern for your personal health is a non-issue.
I didn''t realize that, Wishen, down here there are so many of them, "waffle houses" that I never see more than a few folks in them. But 2 carloads? I normally think 3 and a driver maybe at most. But then again I didn't realize it was in Texas. They have to be a little dumb to try that there. The help probablly had them out gunned. Good catch anyhow
Double Naught Spy
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If not a singular example, then this one doesn't prove the point, does it? It just becomes another data point. The statement was that this proves the point.
Yes, SOME will. As I am sure you are aware, at other times they just negate they threat ASAP, arrive with more force, and/or lay in wait for an ambush. So it is something of a 2-edged sword. If "they" know the target is to be armed, then many will avoid the target but when the target is hit, it is often hit hard.
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Don't forget the "element of surprise" too. Also, don't forget that these OC'ers made themselves the primary targets. Funny stuff.
Anti OC'ers are closet Bradys. They've got some fear about guns, you, or your gun that they haven't reconciled.
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Dude, are you serious? You're going a long way to attack OC. You're halfway to a screenplay.
In a situation where I'm outgunned like that, I will keep my (concealed) handgun holstered and wait it out. While I don't like trusting the mercy of violent criminals, there's only a small chance I'll become a victim if I don't draw attention to myself. If I start shooting, there's a 100% chance of a gunfight.
Now, if they shoot somebody, or start to herd us to the back, then I'll look for the best opportunity and start shooting BGs. At that point, I'll consider my life forfeit, and quick, violent action will be the only reasonable chance for survival.
Or, the scout steps outside, gives the signal, then walks up and shoots both OCers in the head before they can react.
In this case, OC prevented a crime. I would just rather have the option of remaining a low-priority target, an option OC does not afford.
RichardInFlorida
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For what it's worth, criminals know the law and many of them purposely stay away from Kennesaw.
I was a Kennesaw cop when I still lived in Georgia, and on more than one occassion I arrested someone who stated they had been warned to stay out of "The 'Saw" by other criminals while in prison.
In addition to my experiences, take a look at the crime rates for Kennesaw as compared to other jurisdictions in the metro-Atlanta area. I haven't looked recently, but at the earlier part of this decade, Kennesaw consistently had the lowest and second lowest persons and property crime rates for the entire state.
Granted, other factors come into play when talking about crime rates, but the law does have some positive effects.
One other small point, the Waffle House where this happened is actually in the county (unless the city recently annexed it). The average guy wouldn't know this, but it is nonetheless not inside the city limits.
--Richard
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OC doesn't always make you the primary target. Criminals aren't always rational.
84B20
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Whenever I run across an establishment that has such a sign I give them one of these and go elsewhere. By the way I have permission from the range to post this for others to print and hand out.
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jahwarrior
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ClayinTX, they were referencing the movie Pulp Fiction, which is where the picture is from; Samuel Jackson plays a hitman with a wallet that says "Bad M. Effer" on it.
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