open letter to Tom Gresham

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barnett

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Mr. Gresham,

i admire your work very much. after listening to the Gun Talk segment with Zumbo, i admire you even more as a person. loyalty to friends and the willingness to forgive are qualities that more people should posess.

i think that the problem with Zumbo's blog statements, and the reason for the backlash that you feel is "over the top", is this:

if this were a mere question of all of us EBR owners feeling INSULTED by Zumbo's statements, then, yes, we could and should forgive. but it's more that that. his statments and reputation are now being used to attack our Constitution. to attack our freedom. the backlash against Zumbo and his sponsors is a result, not of us feeling INSULTED....but BETRAYED.

i will continue to enjoy your fine work.

ken barnett
 
Well said, Ken.

At first I thought that Tom took it way easy on Zumbo, but after thinking about it some, and looking at it from as close to Tom's perspective as I could manage, It became clear that Tom most definitely took The High Road in dealing with that situation.

Thank you, Tom.
 
It's not about Zumbo, hunting, or Evil Un-PC Black Rifles.

It's about freedom. The United States, its Constitution, and the Bill of Rights are part of a continuing experiment in representative democracy. It goes back to Thermopylae in 480 BC and like it or not, we are the ones on the spot today.

Edmund Burke said it well--"All that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".

Zumbo was just adding drag when we need high speed, low drag thinking. Even merely ignorant men can do a lot of damage.
 
Moderator Note:

Dunno how many Zumbo threads have been closed since this thing broke, but it's a lot.

The deal is, we don't really need 3,487 separate threads on the fiasco. One or two or maybe six is plenty.

So here's the deal: I'm not closing this one. But it had better be about Tom Gresham and NOT about Jim Zumbo.

If enough posts are primarily about Zumbo, and not about Gresham, this one will be closed too. Because you see, we already have enough Zumbo threads going to choke a dead horse.

pax
 
Besides Zumbo's lame apolgy

Besides the lame apology of Fudd Zumbo, i like Tom Gresham's show. To be honest I had no idea it existed until last Sunday. I will be tuning in more often. Mr. Gresham, if you speak to Zumbo again, he still has yet to say much about the "terrorist" comment :mad: I will tune in next Sunday for sure! :)
 
How about it, Tom

It's clear that the Zumbo affair has illuminated a systemic problem within what we all *thought* was a gun community.

With David Petzal (Field & Stream) siding with Jim Z. it is apparent that we need to close the gap.

Hunters feel "protected" by tradition. The error in that thinking will cost them their guns and their tradition.

The Second Amendment is at serious risk, and we really can't have a fragmented front.

Hunters and sport shooters and competition shooters and hobby shooters and armed citizens and collectors must recognize that the fella over there that talks funny and carries a gun that just looks all wrong is his brother.

I want our hunters to be able to hunt for the next 200 years with whatever shootin' iron makes them happy.

I want our collectors to populate their glass cases with whatever looks pretty to them.

I want our sport shooters, hobby shooters, and the rest to have the freedom to hit the range with whatever motley assortment of hardware their budget will support.

Hunters need to dispatch game quickly and cleanly, and anything that gets that done, regardless of color and accessories is a righteous arm.

Target shooters of all stripes need accuracy, and if they like plastic over wood, it still all comes down to the spread between the holes.

Those whose only need is to protect their homes and persons should have as broad a field of weapons to choose from as possible.

Those of us who depend on the gun for food, protection, recreation, and beauty are all family.

We have a common enemy.

If we lock arms and stand fast we can prevail.

Get the word out, Tom.

We really need you out there.
 
I think it's worthwhile to see what Tom has to say himself:

http://www.guntalk.com/site.php?pageID=15&newsID=12
Tipping Point -- Suicide on the Web

Something fascinating just happened. I suspect it will be studied by those who do such things, but at this point, it is clear that last weekend we saw a sea change in the way gun owners react to threats.

If you heard Gun Talk last Sunday, Feb. 18, you heard Jim Zumbo, longtime hunting writer for Outdoor Life, addressing a blog (online comment piece) he wrote. If you didn't hear it, you can download the archive file here: http://guntalk.libsyn.com. It's the February 18 show, "part C."

Jim basically committed career suicide. In short, he wrote in his blog on the Outdoor Life web site that he had just learned (while on a hunt) that some people use AR-15 rifles for hunting. He offered his thought that this was a bad image for hunters. Okay, that's his opinion. But, he went even further, calling for game departments to ban the use of these rifles for hunting. After crossing the line and calling for a banning of those guns for hunting, he firmly planted his foot on a land mine and called AR-15s "terrorist rifles." The explosion from that misstep was heard throughout the firearms industry.

You see, the AR-15 is one of the most popular firearm platforms going. I own three of them and love to shoot them. I don't consider myself a terrorist, and neither do the millions of others who own them and shoot them for recreation, or who own them for personal defense. On "Personal Defense TV" we have been showing that the thinking among security trainers has moved away from the shotgun as the ideal home defense gun, and in many quarters, it now favors the AR-15 or some other carbine (short rifle).

Zumbo had made a mistake from which there was no recovery. He wrote his blog while on a hunting trip. Just before going on the air, I checked the internet forums (fora?) and found a firestorm. People were livid, and with good reason. Some of the comments were clearly over the top, but most of them conveyed the rage that comes from a feeling of being betrayed by someone you thought of as one of your own.

We were only 30 minutes away from going on the air for a live, three-hour broadcast, so I called Zumbo's home. He was still enroute home from his hunting trip and knew nothing about the controversy he had created. I left word that if he wanted to come on the show to make a statement, he could call in.

During the last hour of the show, he decided to go onto Gun Talk, live. He had just posted an apology on the Outdoor Life web site. His explanation was that he just didn't know anything about these rifles, and had no idea that people actually hunted with them. I felt for Jim, but I also knew that in calling for the banning (even if only for hunting) of any gun was incredible, but calling them rifles used by terrorists was, quite simply, unconscionable.

Having just read some of the comments on a few of the online groups where people were posting Zumbo's home address and personal information, calling for . . . well, it was hard to know what they were calling for . . . I made a comment about our willingness to eat our own. Some of that was based on hearing gunnies say that they won't buy Ruger firearms because of something Bill Ruger said two decades ago. Hey, the man is dead and buried.

Still, in this case, I was wrong. That's not what was going on here, as I discovered when I got off the air. To listeners who took offense, I do apologize. The outrage by gun owners is completely understandable. To put it in context, Zumbo's comments came only days after we saw the introduction of a bill in Congress to bring back the Clinton Gun Ban (the so-called "assault weapons" ban). The final nail in the coffin was when-- Sunday afternoon -- the Brady Campaign (the leading group working to restrict gun rights) posted Zumbo's comments to several places on the net, saying, in effect, "See, even the top hunting writer says these rifles have no legitimate use."

At that point, it was all over for Jim Zumbo.

Thousands upon thousands of emails were directed to Remington and all the sponsors of Zumbo's television show on The Outdoor Channel. The emails were all pretty much the same -- dump Zumbo or I'll never buy any of your products. Remington first posted a message saying it was severing all ties with Zumbo. On Monday, the company said it was ending its sponsorship of him. Other companies followed, and it continues. Outdoor Life removed Zumbo's blog, and his apology. Each had generated thousands of comments -- almost all of them hugely negative.

We can take away from this experience several observations.

The first is that this attitude of "just let them take those ugly, black guns" is common among hunters and competitive shooters. Anyone with that attitude is a fool. Sit down with a hunter from England or Australia, hear him tell the story of what happened there, and watch the tears well up in his eyes when he says they never thought the government would take away their hunting guns. To gun banners, there is no such thing as a good gun. They want them all. When Tom Diaz, of the Violence Policy Center, was on Gun Talk, I forced him to admit that he would like to ban all guns. What about the police, I asked. Once we get all the other guns, he said, the police won't need their guns, either.

A ban on black guns, or "Saturday Night Specials," or 50-caliber rifles, is a ban on all our guns. There is no such thing as a bad gun or a good gun. We can't throw babies off the back of the sled, thinking it will keep the wolves away from us.

The next thing we learn from this is that the world has just changed. This entire episode took place inside of 36 hours, on a weekend -- a three-day weekend for President's Day. It happened...and this is important...entirely on the internet. The original posting was on the net, the reaction was on the net, the emails demanding that companies break off with Zumbo were on the net, and the reactions from the companies were all on their web sites. This was completely an internet event. It was a nuclear explosion, with tens of thousands of messages posted, spanning all the firearms-related web sites.

How often over the last 30 years, as I fought for gun rights, traveled to Washington, DC, wrote about gun rights, spoke at the Gun Rights Policy Conference, and for the last 14 years, broadcasted about gun rights on the radio, have I lamented the inability to get gun owners motivated to protect their own rights? This powerful example shows that it can be done.

Now, the real question is whether we can generate that kind of response when we need to defeat a gun ban. Can we melt down mail servers of elected representatives the way gun owners hammered the servers at various companies? I don't know.

What I do know is that we are facing more calls for gun bans and restrictions on our gun rights over the next few years than we have seen in the last 40 years. Someone on the side of gun rights needs to develop a way to replicate this . . . this "Zumbo Effect" . . . to beat back the assault which has already started.

We must find a way to "Zumbo" our attackers in Congress, in the state houses, and wherever they assault our rights.

Tom Gresham
 
Now, the real question is whether we can generate that kind of response when we need to defeat a gun ban. Can we melt down mail servers of elected representatives the way gun owners hammered the servers at various companies? I don't know.

Tom is right on the mark!
 
Tom, I love you on TV and your words just proved that you are the man! I sometimes think hunters are the worst thing for the 2 Amendment in this country, because they are so one-sided. Zumbo screwed up, but it wasn't because he was tired, or because he had no idea people used ARs for hunting. He is a hunter who cares only for his own guns, and actually agrees with the Brady Bunch on everything else. I'm surprised he didn't call for a ban on handguns at the same time. Thank Tom for articulately expressing thoughts we all share.
 
Nugent on Gun Talk

This Sunday, Ted Nugent is scheduled to be a guest during the first hour of the radio show. That's at 2:00pm Eastern, 11:00am Pacific.

Uncle Ted always has something interesting to say.
 
Let's be sure to keep this idea in mind when we post on controversial topics and individuals -

Post in haste and repent forever!
 
Tom's High Road approach on his radio interview was commendable. You don't get friends and guests to appear by attacking them.

Tom is a 2nd Amendment friend and uses his national exposure to educate.

If we had more like him, we wouldn't have CGB II in the works right now.

Everyone who complained about Zumbo's comments should be equally compelled to write their Congressional representatives, join the NRA and VOTE every election opportunity.

Godspeed.
 
I'd sure like to ask Ted why he was so quick to forgive--it came across to many as if Zumbo was given a free pass because of friendship, rather than any true indication of change.

Ted's attitude of "I speak, I pronounce this person upgraded!", using that buzzword in that manner, strikes me as particularly offensive, as did his dismissal of any disagreement with his opinion. I wonder if he's objectively considered how divisive his immediate support of Zumbo was. We were/angry and darn it, we have a right to be.

I'd also be interested in how his actions jive with the NRA's response of distancing Zumbo. I know he's not a kept man and definitely brings his own opinions, but I'd like to think we can present a strong united front on this.

And get a straight answer on Full Autos--I'm ready to go back on the offensive on that one. I want 'em back--pre-86 (and I'd prefer the $200 tax go to local use, public schools maybe--they need the money).

(not to be negative, but Ted's lost a fair bit of credibility with me on this mess)
 
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