Opinions?

Yes you are correct Mossberg did later add the Dual action bars after the Remington Patent expired. Reality is you will find the 500 in both configuration single and dual, the Remington is only dual. Never said that the single bar was weak although some might feel that way . Even though Remington held it over Mossberg and winchester throughout the years. the dual vs single argument is a marketing ploy to infer that the 870 was stronger. The 500 is a fine shotgun, so is the 870, as well as the Winchester 12. but in my opinion the 870 fits the bill not for any hype, a added plus the 870 at one time held the greatest support in aftermarket parts and modifactions. which may not be the same anymore.

I have 500s from around 1980 with dual. Never actually saw one with single. My 500AG with the old honeycomb forearm had duals. No clue when they changed but any new production or most likely any used one you can find will be dual. I do believe dual bars is better. I won't argue its not. The 835, 500, Nova etc all got dual bars so I guess they feel it's better. Mossberg actually advertised it as a noise reduction feature rather than strength. I have a flite king with many thousands of rounds and I have war used winchester 12s that don't seem to mind the single bar. Same for my 98 Marlin and 97 winchester pump shotguns.

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The easily extendable mag tube is definitely a plus for the 870 over the 500. And again the safety is exponentially better for a pistol grip.
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Getting to the safety on that shotgun is not exactly ergonomic or easy. I prefer the tang safety with a normal stock though.
 
You'll find more options, and better prices with an 870. The Mossberg 590 is a well made gun that was specifically designed to meet military specs and addresses the shortcomings of the 500. But they are pricey.

The 870 met military specs, but they didn't even enter the competition for the military because they knew Mossberg would underbid them. The 590 was the only entry to the competition a few years ago. They met the requirements and got the contract.

There are other good options such as the Browning BPS and Benelli Nova. But availability and price still go to the 870. I know you don't want to spend a lot of money, but I can only go so low on price and recommend something, and I still keep coming back to the 870.

IME the "issues" with the 870 are overstated. Virtually all of them are related to cosmetics and aesthetics. They made some that were not well finished, and some that needed minor polishing or extended break in. But the design is solid. None of the complaints about them related to reliability.

And the new RemArms guns have impressed me enough to buy one. It was $500 well spent and that is the least I'd spend on a new gun if it absolutely positively had to work, no excuses. I haven't priced used 870's in a while, but the days of a $200 used 870 Express are long gone I'm afraid.

Why not a 20 gauge?

That might be an option as long as you understand what you're gaining and losing. The main advantage of a 20 is a 1 lb lighter gun that is easier to carry around all day. And there is some overlap in the amount of shot in some 20 and 12ga shells.

But you can always put more, and bigger pellets in the air with a 12. That's everything from birdshot to buckshot. In equal weight guns a 20 will recoil less. But in comparable guns a 20 is about 1 lb lighter. So those reduced 20 ga loads end up recoiling pretty much the same as 12 ga loads.

And 12 ga ammo is a lot easier to find and often at better prices. Especially when talking about slugs and buckshot loads.
 
I have a NEF Pardner pump that has worked out for me, $100 pre Covid. I use it as a loaner and backup for Turkey shoots .625 choke has a stout kick, it also came with a 18" barrel.
I purchased a Steven's pump post covid for $150 that hasn't given any problems but hasn't seen very much ammo yet.
A Maverick, Mossberg 500, Remington 870 etc will hold their value better and be easier to find parts for many years compared to any of the knock offs.
I had the pardner pump a long time and would recommend it if they were still around, i dont see em like i used to. Paid less than $200 new for mine many years ago and I dont know if the 870 Express really has anything on it in terms of reliability and quality, gave it to my younger brother though.

I love an 870 and have a couple as well as a couple mossbergs, but as janky as the Mossberg 500, 590 and Mav88 all feel, they are reliable and cheap and are work horses. A lil lighter and handier than the 870, but they don't feel as well built, but I suppose they are.....

If you want to add capacity easily, I'd look at the 870 or 590. The 500 is fixed capacity as far as I know and most people are right when they say a 5+1 12ga pump is more than adequate.
 
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Mossberg 88/500 meets your stated requirements. New/used doesn’t matter. Should you at some time in the future decide you need a particular enhancement/mod then there is plenty of aftermarket support out there to take care of it.
 
I had the pardner pump a long time and would recommend it if they were still around, i dont see em like i used to. Paid less than $200 new for mine many years ago and I dont know if the 870 Express really has anything on it in terms of reliability and quality, gave it to my younger brother though.
The Pardner pump is made by Hawk, imported by H&R.
Blue Line is another importer.
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@Gus_McCrae lets us know what you decide to do!

I'm thinking about going to Wannamakers gun show in Tulsa next week. I have asked a friend to go but he doesn't seem that excited or interested, I think he is starting to lean toward going. If I can talk him into going with and find a good deal, I hope to make a purchase. I will update when I find something.
 
I'm thinking about going to Wannamakers gun show in Tulsa next week. I have asked a friend to go but he doesn't seem that excited or interested, I think he is starting to lean toward going. If I can talk him into going with and find a good deal, I hope to make a purchase. I will update when I find something.


I think that’s a great idea! I’m sure your friend will want to go!
 
Another vote for the Maverick 88, best bang for the buck on the market, well built, tons of accessories and upgrades if and when you want to do that.
The James Reeves TFB TV video on it sold me when the video dropped, that's a lot of shotgun for under $300. It's the Glock 17 of shotguns, cheap, reliable, just works. You can spend a lot more
but for HD, this will do everything and anything a pump that costs two or three times as much will do.
 
I've got an old 870 and a Springfield pump for that job, but I wouldn't hesitate to get a Mossberg.
I'm not a fan of the Stevens. I'd buy the RIA Meriva before the Stevens.
 
@Gus_McCrae welcome to THR!
A budget helps the members make recommendations. Also if you are righthanded or lefthanded.

The Maverick (made by Mossberg) has a safety that is for right handed shooters.

Remington 870 shotguns are available in right and left hand models.

The Mossberg 500 has a top safety that is ambidextrous.

All of these are pump action.
There are also inexpensive Turkish made autoloaders that can be hit or miss as far as quality. Not to mention single shots and double barrel models.

Good luck with your search! And enjoy THE HIGH ROAD!
 
Hello everyone,
Thanks to all for the great advice. We decided to head to Wannamakers in Tulsa OK. On the way we stopped at a LGS in Joplin, MO. I found a shotgun I have no info on, does anyone know about this model?
It's a revelation 12 GA pump it chambers 2 3/4" and 3" shells. It seems to be in fair to good condition.
After negotiations they said I could get it for $225 + tax. What do you guys think?
 
Revelation was a brand that Western Auto placed on guns made by Marlin, Steven, Mossberg and others. All were solid US companies back in those days. If it is in good operating condition and you don't care about resale value, it should be fine. If you give the model number, we may be able to supply more accurate information.
 
Most 870 clones (Pardner) are 12 ga. 20 ga is great for HD/SD. Try to find a 870 or Mossberg 500 in 20 ga on the cheap. Pawn shops, LGS, friends. My 870 special field .20 ga went from my favorite field gun to my HD gun in one trip to my LGS! If you find a clone deal jump on it.
 
I've owned both Remington 870s and Mossberg 500s. The Remingtons have higher quality. The Mossbergs work just fine. (My Brownings have been ancient in age >100 yr olds = nothing modern, nothing with which to compare.)

The major problem I've had with Mossbergs is that their slides rattle. However, peen some metal parts therein and poof, the rattling is greatly diminished.

As to 20 vs. 12, I love the 20 ga. . Just my preference. Just know that the ammunition selection for the 12 ga. is always going to be more wide than the 20 ga.

The 20 ga. has more energy than a .44 mag handgun. It is no wimp. Yet ... the 12 has more ammo options, just does.
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Depends on how much you think you are going to shoot it and for any future uses. I have no qualms with any thing anyone has said so far except for 20 gauge. 20 gauge ammo is hard to come by right now. Reloading them right now is very expensive. And you will pay more for a 20 than a 12. I have a Montogomery Wards Model 31 12 gauge (Stevens 420) house gun. 2.75" chamber and paid less than $100. It's an early Browning design. Built like a tank. I think they were used as trench guns during WW I. Shoots nice. I will say parts would be easier to find for a Remington or a Mossberg.
 
I have used Remington 870’s for HD for many years. Added, pistol grip synthetic stock, Vang Comp Limited Edition RoBar NP3 VCS Remington Safety and Follower Set, GG&G Single Point Sling Attachment GGG-1129, Tactical Sling, and a Mesa 90210 SureShell Carrier-side-saddle holds 6 rounds. It had an extended tube as well.
 
I was in Walmart a few days ago, they had both 12 and 20 ammo, there wasn't a bit difference in price, they also had 28 guage, it was more as was the few 16's they had.

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Got the Revelation and am happy with the purchase. Then while at Wannamakers I found a Savage model 30, it has nice etchings, is in great condition, very nice color and it's been well maintained.
It had a great price on it and I got him to take even less. I bought it too.
I don't know anthing about the model 30, so if any of you know any details please share. I'm interested to hear what you guys know about it.
Thanks for all the help/ advice.
 
Great I'm sure you will be happy with both.
Savage 30 huh? they are a nice hunting Iron which choke did it have? Highly dependable
On the Revelation it could be a mossberg or Winchester just compare them to photos to determine exactly. Either will serve you well.
I suspect you did well all sounds like a quality firearm


BTW nothing says get off my lawn better than a Pump shotgun racking (of course the doubles just require them to see you but are equally intimidating )
 
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