Orwell's 1984 comes closer!

[Logistics]

The real problem is that if you don't embrace "law enforcement" in the media, speak out against it, or get upset in anyway, you are immediately "on the fringe" or a "wacko" in some way. Pay your tax or you will be labeled and dealt with accordingly. Some of you so called "LEO's" are just going to have to stand up and say "NO" one of these days....This "crime for tax collection" scheme is RUINING the America we once faught so hard for. Hard to imagine though, that would be taking the high road.

 

[30 cal slob]

I live in the People's Republic of CT and am not terribly overjoyed with the property tax levied on automobiles. It comes out to several hundred bucks a year ... like clockwork every July 1.

However, I think this tax was based on principles somewhat aligned with "Republican" views - namely, only the people who use certain public resources should have to pay taxes/user fees for them.

If I'm not mistaken, the CT auto property taxes are paid to fund things like road construction, etc. But I have to double check this. (Additionally, these local property taxes are deductible from federal income for tax purposes.)

So, in all fairness, those guys should have paid their taxes not only in full but on time.

In my humble opinion, the town gov'ts are only going after guys who haven't been pulling their weight and paying their fair share.

 

[RomanKnight]

First, let's stop saying "private property". It's not our property (house, car, boat, everything) if we don't pay taxes to the .gov. Even when it's paid off to the bank, you will loose it, if you don't pay the tribute to the .gov.
Second, what happens to all laws and ordinances, if JBTs do NOT enforce them? Let's stop being nice, and call them for what they are: not peace officers, sworn to protect and to serve the public, but enforcers for a giant racketeering agency, the .gov. They enforce the laws, no matter how unconstitutional or immoral these laws are. They feel good about it: "Just doing my job". We find excuses for them, on this board, as well as elsewhere . They keep oppressing... er, enforcing the law. Vicious circle!

 

[0007]

What happens the first time someone wakes up in the middle of the night to hear strange noises in his driveway and proceeds o shoot the fecal matter out of those whom he perceives to be thieves trying to steal his car. If these scum believed what they were doing was right they would have the cajones to knock on the door and deliver the notice of collection...

 

[Azrael256]

and proceeds o shoot the fecal matter out of those whom he perceives to be thieves trying to steal his car

I agree with that one. Somebody is going to die. Actually, it will more likely be several people. Probably the people towing it, maybe a police officer, and most definitely the car owner. And it's going to happen more than once. It's going to take a few bloodbaths for people to figure out that this is a BAD IDEA (tm), and then they'll just start passing more laws to protect the car thieves.

 

[jsalcedo]

I was told by a California resident several years ago that vehicle registration is 10% of a cars value each year.

In addition Cali folks must pay a tax on an estimated value of every household posession they own.

Then there is a state income tax of 8.84%

Sales tax of 6.25%

There is property tax on land and dwellings based on value that can go up each year unless the property was owned prior to 1978.

If accurate that is true highway robbery.

 

[WDG]

And somehow the state of CA is over budget and broke. Go figure

 

[one-shot-one]

got to play by the rules till........

you can get them changed or go some place else.
c_yeager "Gee, I guess i ran out of sympathy for these guys when I PAID my taxes"
got to agree.
i don't like the system (my part of texas now has emmisions testing for vehichles less than 25 yr. old, raises your inspection fee) so i now own a 26 yr old gmc truck.

 

[RomanKnight]

"you can get them changed or go some place else."
Before someone else comes up with this excuse for getting along with the system, let's consider a few things:
1) The two-party-system has a monopoly on the mainstream media, shutting off all exposure to alternative/true patriotic condidates.
2) Whoever manipulates the new electronic voting machines (the ones which do not give any kind of paper trail) elects the winners of any and every election. Hint, it's always someone from the two-party-system. Good luck, voting them out of office!
3) Most of the bureaucretins creating and enforcing this racketeering scheme of taxes and regulations are not elected. They are accountable only to the same self-elected politicians -not to you!
4) They tax, exploit and oppress their subjects -We, the People- because they are protected by all types of JBT with badges. The constitutionality, legality, and the morality of any law means squat, when the goons with badges, fully-automatic weapons, no common sense and huge ego bust through your door, to enforce the "law".

 

[ravinraven]

I like that idea...

...about loading your "junker" up with toxic waste and letting them get rid of it for you.

A similar thing has happened up here quite a few times, I am told. It involves land tax. You own a gas station. A leaking gas tank is a grand excuse for the enviro-wacko-nazis to engage in fiscal terrorism against you. The cost of cleaning up according to their extortion standards will be a min of a quarter million bucks. You've pumped gas all your life and have Social inSecurity plus a paid for house to show for your work. No quarter mil for the thieves. Simple. Don't pay the taxes on the gas station. The county takes possession. Then they find what they've really grabbed. hehhehheh.

The county finally caught on to what they were "grabbing." But an old gal I know had a small diner that had been an eatery for 50 years. Before that, it was a gas station. She discovered a small puddle of old gas soaked dirt when some guys were digging near the foundation. She stopped paying taxes. Whap! The gov't grabbed it. The record keepers weren't aware of the gas problem. Again, they had a hot potatoe.

It turns out that when the gov't have a clean up to do, the extortionists don't strip them bare [honor among thieves, I guess] like they do the honest citizen. So we tax payers don't pay as much as an individual might for the same 'job.'

rr

 

[Old Dog]

They tax, exploit and oppress their subjects -We, the People- because they are protected by all types of JBT with badges. The constitutionality, legality, and the morality of any law means squat, when the goons with badges, fully-automatic weapons, no common sense and huge ego bust through your door, to enforce the "law".

Good reason to ride the bus. Or pay your vehicle registration fees ... don't want the JBTs coming after you for failure to pay those pesky illegal taxes ...

 

[Sawdust]

In addition Cali folks must pay a tax on an estimated value of every household posession they own.

Balderdash.

Sawdust

 

[DRZinn]

I'm getting a license plate cover to put on when I'm parked on private property.

 

[jsalcedo]

In addition Cali folks must pay a tax on an estimated value of every household posession they own.

I was told this by a close friend who is a resident of Sacramento.

She said on her state tax form there was a space to declare the value of her household items in order to determine taxes owed.

Maybe it has changed?

 

[JohnKSa]

Repossessing cars is dangerous business.

A fellow was killed recently in TX while trying to repo a car. The owner says he thought it was being stolen and shot him. Property protection laws being what they are in TX, it's going to be awful hard to prosecute him. I haven't seen a follow up, but the article indicated that charges were not being filed at that time.

Civil suit may be a different story, but rich people don't usually get their cars repossessed, so I doubt there's much money to squeeze out of him.

 

[jsalcedo]

A fellow was killed recently in TX while trying to repo a car. The owner says he thought it was being stolen and shot him.

If it is the Houston incident, the shooter fired a rifle into the cab of the tow truck that was towing his car killing the repo man .

After a lengthy legal ordeal the shooter was no billed or acquitted due to the law enabling Texans to defend their property after dark.

Tragically the man committed suicide a few months later apparently due to feelings of guilt, stress and anxiety.

 

[2nd Amendment]

In addition Cali folks must pay a tax on an estimated value of every household posession they own.

I don't *think* any state still does this but it used to be common. My grandmother still gets fired up over the days when the assessor used to literally come in the house and note possessions for tax. Also there was something about the number of closets? Which is why many older houses to this day still don't have any.

 

[Rumpled]

jsalcedo,
We in CA do have high taxes, but you are somewhat mistaken. Here's what we really have.

The Vehicle License Fee is .67% of a car's value. Add to this about $50 in other fees. This is an annual fee. The VLF goes down by 10% every year until it reaches a minimum of about $50. The VLF used to be three times what it is now. The total for my 10 year old SUV is $114 now, was about $670 the first year.

The tax on every possession is untrue. Recently CA added a line to state income tax forms to collect taxes on items bought out of state on the internet, catalogs, etc. This tax has long been the law, just never enforced. Now they make it more "convenient" to pay this tax.

State income tax runs between 1 and 9.3% but the income brackets are pretty low, so most people pay nearer 9% than 1%.

State sales tax on just about everything but food (including a car when you buy it plus VLF) is 7.25%. Cities and counties can add more and most do so it's usually 7.75% or 8.25%.

Property tax on land is 1% of property assessed value plus local bonds etc. In some areas this reaches a total of 1.95%. This includes property from before 1978 also. Assessed value can only go up 2% per year and almost always does. So property taxes constantly increase, though %wise not as much as home purchase prices.

This next one is true highway robbery. If you retire from a CA job to another state, CA taxes your income during retirement. The rational is that you earned the pension while working in CA so they can still tax it. I'm not sure what's happened in the courts with this one.

For overall tax burden, CA ranks just above average by a number of studies and methods. We're not the worst, not the best.
Just to set the record straight.

 

[jsalcedo]

Thanks Rumpled.

I got my info from California tax sites and from friends who lived there.

I'm sure I either misquoted them or the info was out of date.

The clarification is appreciated.

 

[Combat-wombat]

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors - and miss."
-Robert A Heinlein

 

[Crosshair]

I may not be able to stop all the coruption in the world, but I have reserved seats to watch when these dirtbags get to the pearly gates and try to BS their way past St. Peter.

/Karma's a btch aint it.

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

Here's a product that you apply to your license plate and is supposed to defeat flash, laser and infrared camera systems:

Just wait. If it catches on, they'll simply make it illegal.


Think about it. Radar detectors made people able to "defeat" the use of radar guns on the highways, so states like Virginia just made detecting the detection of your speed illegal. They also made detector-detectors so the cops could know from a distance that you were detecting their detection of your speed, and then punish you for it.

I would not be surprised if the government, intent on bugging our homes, made it illegal to use devices to sweep for covert listening devices.


There is a town here on the southeast coast of Florida called Manalapan. It's on a barrier island, accessible by bridge. They have installed some sort of smart camera that takes photos (tied to a database, I think) of every car license plate that comes into the town.

This kind of surveillance/police state is already way out of control, and getting worse by the week.

How long before we are told that in order to be functional in society, we MUST allow them to inject RFID chips under our skin? Sure, they can say it's only "voluntary." But they have ways of making "voluntary" stuff mandatory: for instance, what if they made the chips voluntary but then said that the ONLY way you can receive your tax refund is by waving your chip-laden hand under a reader?!

This kind of abominable crap IS coming...

How the hell are we going to combat it without society falling totally apart?

-Jeffrey

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

What happens the first time someone wakes up in the middle of the night to hear strange noises in his driveway and proceeds o shoot the fecal matter out of those whom he perceives to be thieves trying to steal his car. If these scum believed what they were doing was right they would have the cajones to knock on the door and deliver the notice of collection...

I was thinking this same thing. You are absolutely right: if they have the force of law behind them to take the car legally, there is no reason they should not show up with a police escort (to keep things under control) and take the car that way.

I think anyone taking someone's property in the aforementioned manner must accept all risk of being mistaken for a true thief. You take your chances if you want to steal for a living, on either side of the law. Don't sneak around under dark of night and then tell us that you're engaged in a respectable profession. The fact that you have to sneak to get it done tells us point-blank that you know it's wrong and that it will widely be perceived as wrong.


Now, it's also just a matter of time before some glitch in the system results in the WRONG CAR belonging to the WRONG PERSON gets taken, and possibly damaged in transit. (Like the tow operators give a ???? what happens to your car? "Prove we did it!") Watch and see how forthcoming the local .gov is about compensating the victim then, for time, trouble and damage.

Imagine you had a flight to catch and came out in the morning to see that they had (wrongly) taken your car! Before it all gets ironed out (John T. Smith's car was delinquent but not the car belonging to you, John. J. Smith!) you WILL have to pay to have your car sprung and then HOPE the .gov will pay you back for its mistake.

And what of the notion that they are confiscating private property that YOU OWN, whose value may FAR EXCEED the amount of tax owed. You fail to pay $200 in tax and they take a car worth $23,000?! How on earth can that be justified?! It's legal hostage-taking.

-Jeffrey

 

[Sindawe]

What happens the first time someone wakes up in the middle of the night to hear strange noises in his driveway and proceeds o shoot the fecal matter out of those whom he perceives to be thieves trying to steal his car.

S.S.S?

If the is legal grounds to seize the vehicle, show up with the paperwork and a LEO or three as backup and get the job done. Sneak around and snatch the vehicle on the sly, well then don't be too suprises if ya end up getting "suitably ventilated" for your troubles.

 

[HankB]

In addition Cali folks must pay a tax on an estimated value of every household posession they own.

Illinois had this - a "personal property tax" - up until the late '60s or early '70s. People were mailed forms on which they were supposed to inventory their possessions - furniture, clothing, TVs, radios, even bank accounts (!) - and pay an annual tax on their stuff.

This was routinely ignored - I was pretty young at the time, but I remember my folks talking about it. They used to just tear up the form and throw it away - nothing ever came of it.