Owner of A.R.M.S. donates to anti-gun candidate, Martha Coakley

[highorder]

They will when they go belly up.

They may win every lawsuit they file, but they won't be selling too many products to us regular people. If there's a way to assure he doesn't get any more .gov contracts people need to forge that trail too.

 

[atomd]

The guy who runs ARMS is a classless, uninnovative jackass who churns out sub-par products and files spuious junk lawsuits against his competitors due to an inability to compete.

I would unilaterally recommend against ever buying a product from such bottom-dwelling slime. ARMS does absolutely nothing to support the shooting culture, and in fact actively works to undermine it through their shoddy products and unneccesary litigation.

+1 to all of that. Everything LaRue makes is better anyways and their customer service is the best in the business. Heck, they send me a Christmas present every year for crying out loud. I can think of a few other choice words for arms but I think you got it right with jackass (you can apply that description to Coakley and her disgusting mullet head too). Avoid those products and those horrible people like the plague.

 

[kwelz]

So glad I sent most of my ARMS stuff back to them in pieces. I traded today for an ACOG and it came with an ARMS mount. One of the lever arms broke when trying to get it on my 6940. It is going to Larue for them to exchange for a quality product.

 

[stevelyn]

Apparently there are idiots and traitors within our ranks and the industry.

Anyone remember when Alex Robinson publicly threw his support to Mitt Romney a guy who as governor signed and AWB?

They can all go down in flames for all I care. Stupid should have an expensive price tag.

 

[factual]

This type of posting, by anyone easily misled to irrational name calling, is slander and character assassination, since it based on not having one bit of first hand knowledge of what the facts are. What makes it, and other contrived postings dangerous, the source. The self serving misinformation and multiple twisting of facts, by a TX company on trial in a Federal court, who think they are wise to try the case on the Internet, they and their surrogates will discover was a bad idea when they enter a real trial.
Fact, A.R.M.S. has been a strong gun rights advocate for 30 years, and continues to donate large amounts of moneys and time to protect those rights. Some times, having a voice in the opposition’s camp requires an entrance donation. An Attorney General needs to hear our side of the story, an Attorney General enforces the law does not make it. So far, MA is keeping, not banning the black rifles, thanks to people like the Swans and others who go the extra mile, by trying to reason against anti gun politicians. When the case is over, and the facts are known, there will be a lot of people who will wish they let the law and court system do its job, before putting their foot in their mouth, by attacking some of the best friends they ever will have! Attacking the MA AG, who has been willing to listen, vs her terrible predecessor, doesn't help matters here either, but the guy in TX doesn't care, he doesn't live here.
Falsehoods about the law suit abound, but since the defendant from TX is the only one trying to try the case on the Internet, it is obvious where the falsehoods emanate from.
Just to provide more facts, A.R.M.S., has had office representation in Israel for approx. twenty years, been a large supplier and confidant to the I.D.F. for those many years.
Make your chat room a responsible place for facts, not a bill board for falsehoods from a TX man already on trial for defamation of character and slander, on top of the patent and trademark violations.
ATOMD needs to grow up.
If you look at the donations, the Swans donated to Jones,and Mcdonald who are strong gun rights people.

 

[gun addict]

hmm, first post and you defend A.R.M.S passionately, yeah, who do you work for again?

 

[factual]

Why don't you read what it says, think about it, check on it, and get back to us.

 

[highorder]

factual, I read then reread your post.

My first thought was the same as gun addict's; you represent ARMS.

On second thought I don't believe this is the case. If ARMS were to defend themselves on a public forum like THR, I would expect them to use a carefully crafted statement.

Your first post contains too many grammar and structure errors to be taken seriously.

This leaves me to wonder who you are, and why you defend ARMS.

 

[factual]

Well expert on grammar, it sounds like a fairly strange thing to be saying here, as the postings from TX should be your target.
If you have any genuin interest in facts, check out my info., otherwise you will be surprised when it all comes out thru the legal system.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

Your post suggest a "quid pro-quo" for access to the AG. Something that should be looked at.

 

[highorder]

If this anonymous, cryptic, illiterate rambling is the best thing ARMS legal department has to swing with, god help them in court.

Aside from that, ARMS has already lost in the court of public opinion. They don't have a New Products page on their website; instead they spend bandwidth showing the world their trademark on #17. Not smart business.

 

[factual]

It is always amazing how some can't stand the facts, even to the pioint of attacking any messanger who asks them to simply look up the facts. That is acting like being followers of a cult leader. He is on trial, but they believe anything he says, no matter how contrived. If you read all the charges, and not something he took out of context, you would then not be hung up on 17.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

I would be glad to read up, is there a link? (A scotus type website?.....breif?)

 

[factual]

If you have a lawyer, or you are friends with one, he can look it up for you.
Some of it you might have him explain, legal terms ya know.
Only they can get at it via some legal service.

 

[kwelz]

HAHAHAHHAAHHA Didn't you try this on ARF.com a while back? I would have to go look up the thread over there but I am pretty sure it was the same or similar name and you were eventually outed as an ARMS employee.

Mods how about a quick check of the posters IP. Just for the sake of having fun.

Now Dick, I would call you Mr Swan but that would imply respect you don't deserve, ARMS has indeed been around 30 years. And at one point they made a good product. However ARMS stagnated and forgot that a company needs to innovate to survive.

They now make second rate gear using second rate material. And that "defendant from Texas" may not be perfect but they have proven themselves to be a friend of the shooting community. Something Swan and Co. are most assuredly not. How about you take some of that money you are wasting on lawyers and spend it on developing a good product.

Or some good employees. The woman I talked to there about a problem I had with a mount was a real... Well I can't use the word here. But here is a tip, don't blame the consumer when your stuff breaks.

If all else fails you could use that money and at least start using good materials. Even a bad design like yours would be better if you used something stronger than what you find in children's toys.

BTW did you get the #40 I sent back to you? I will admit it came apart even easier than I thought it would.

 

[Cold_in_the_North]

HAHAHAHHAAHHA Didn't you try this on ARF.com a while back? I would have to go look up the thread over there but I am pretty sure it was the same or similar name and you were eventually outed as an ARMS employee.

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TechFacts, is that you (Factual, not Azizza)? Please try to explain how the Swan's donating $1000 to a rabidly anti-2A candidate makes Dick Swan a friend, and helps our RKBA.

 

[w_houle]

Can someone help me out... maybe with a link or three? My google-fu is weak this morning.

 

[Dravur]

Thanks for the heads up. I will make sure to not buy anything from ARMS. I allready have a sir system on one of my guns, but never again. One of the biggest problems with the SIR system is the sling swivels which are screwed on....

And Factual... you didnt help your case... at all. It seems like all the accusations are correct...the donations to an anti...etc.

Does Larue trade out for old ARMS stuff? Does it have to be broken? I have a hacksaw...

Falsehoods about the law suit abound, but since the defendant from TX is the only one trying to try the case on the Internet, it is obvious where the falsehoods emanate from.

not necessarily....

 

[atomd]

ATOMD needs to grow up

Yeah, Coakley is really on our side then, right? I lived in Mass for 30 years and I've seen enough of her nonsense. As for her haircut choice, it might have been a childish remark by me but it's still the truth. Her haircut is not as disturbing as her politics though. Your post just reinforces what a sad state of affairs MA politics is in. It disgusts me....and you appear to be part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[Z-Michigan]

Anyone reading this, it's not as if this claim is the first time ARMS has been in a negative light. Do a search on ar15.com and see just how many companies they have sued or threatened to sue over intellectual property claims (Troy and Larue are just two of a group). One recent poster there, a small company, indicated that it had received a legal letter from ARMS complaining about its use of the term "throw lever" and saying that the term "throw lever" was an ARMS trademark. C'mon, give me a break? Even if "throw lever" is technically trademarked by ARMS, talk about a massive violation of the intent of the trademark laws. I might as well trademark "toilet paper" and charge everyone 10 cents/sheet for any product with such a name.

 

[Robert]

La Rue all the way. Heck. I have yet to buy something from them but just being on their mailing list I received two Dillo Christmas ornaments. Suing someone because they make a better product for less money is juvenile at best. Defending them is even worse. Good luck to La Rue and all the others that this clown is suing.

and continues to donate large amounts of moneys and time to protect those rights.

Cite.

Just to provide more facts, A.R.M.S., has had office representation in Israel for approx. twenty years, been a large supplier and confidant to the I.D.F. for those many years.

How is that relevant to the US. Big deal they are an arms supplier to Israel. So?
If you are going to present "facts" as you call them, please cite links to websites or papers where said "facts" can be verified.
Damn Yankees...

 

[w_houle]

A quick google search of atlantic research marketing systems and Richard Swan revealed someone who spent a bunch of time with lawsuits.

 

[highorder]

Does Larue trade out for old ARMS stuff? Does it have to be broken?

LaRue is currently replacing INTENTIONALLY BROKEN crap from A.R.M.S. so they can display the big pile of broken crap at the SHOT show.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=219&t=182242

 

[factual]

tx led lemmings

How amazing to watch lemmings to follow their TX leader over the cliff, and don't even notice he does not seem to be posting any more, just his misguided dillo and hat collectors spreading his bs sayings.
I can't think of any product that can't be broken on purpose.
The cult leader is obviously at odds with what the military think of the throw lever. Suggest you argue with the military (instead of anyone pointing out something other than the party line) and tell them your leader says they should buy his alleged patent infringement because it is supposedly better.
By the way, don't forget to ask the military about what soldiers do with a wrench, yep, they crush the mil spec precision rails, so then repeat on off of a damaged rail creates more problems like ruined receivers.

The throw lever the military have bought million/s of, is meant for mil spec rails, not after market non spec, your leader fails to point that out.
Really guys, you have a lot of re thinking about what and how you post, before your declared parrots.

 

[highorder]

Really guys, you have a lot of re thinking about what and how you post, before your declared parrots.

Regardless what I think of A.R.M.S. you are hardly literate enough to state your case.

You further harm A.R.M.S. with every post. By all means continue.