P22 or Buckmark?
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Dont write off the S&W 22a Its better out of the box than a ruger and much cheaper these days(199 at cabelas). If I had the spare cash I would have purchased the buckmark but at $200 cheaper im glad I got the 22a.
Buckmark/ruger mark series/22a/neos are all good pistols
This was my first outing with my S&W 22a at 25 yards unsupported.
Buckmark/ruger mark series/22a/neos are all good pistols
This was my first outing with my S&W 22a at 25 yards unsupported.
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tinygnat219
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Buckmark hands down, unless you have a fetish for misfires, misfeeds, jams, and something made of pot metal, then by all means go for the P22.
http://www.jetguns.com/firestorm-fs22m6-22lr-sport-matte10-round-p-99.html
You can have a ton of fun with any .22 gun. P22s are pretty good with Remington Golden Bullets. You asked about loading the mags. Best is a Ruger/Buck and an
Ultimate Cliploader. Look it up. Love mine.
You can have a ton of fun with any .22 gun. P22s are pretty good with Remington Golden Bullets. You asked about loading the mags. Best is a Ruger/Buck and an
Ultimate Cliploader. Look it up. Love mine.
788Ham
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I've had a BuckMark II since '92, love it! The only mis-fires I've had was due to junk ammo, not the guns fault. I'd buy the Browning agin in a heartbeat, easy to disassemble and clean, well worth the money.
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I own or have shot pretty much all the guns in this discussion, but I still prefer the Smith 22a. Especially the model with the big wood target grips.
The only thing with the 22a is that it has a small nylon (plastic) recoil buffer inside that wear out periodically. I haven't really kept track, but usually every couple thousand rounds.
I'd take my Sig Mosquito over the Walther, and I'm not even really a Sig fan by any means (not a huge fan of the trigger pull). Most people I know have bought the Walther because they wanted a threaded barrel for suppressor, which you can get on the Mosquito too.
The only thing with the 22a is that it has a small nylon (plastic) recoil buffer inside that wear out periodically. I haven't really kept track, but usually every couple thousand rounds.
I'd take my Sig Mosquito over the Walther, and I'm not even really a Sig fan by any means (not a huge fan of the trigger pull). Most people I know have bought the Walther because they wanted a threaded barrel for suppressor, which you can get on the Mosquito too.
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Browning or Ruger and/or the new GSG 1911/22. I have had all and Walther was a jam-o-matic.
ThePunisher'sArmory
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I own a Sig Mosquito and my wife owns a "new" P22. They both shoot just fine with CCI Mini-Mag. Those rounds are not that expensive. Sure more then Fed Bulk, but come on..? Its not like your paying for .45ACP. Lastly Ive only been shooting for about 2 years now but I just cant stand it when guys hate on a gun because of the trigger...... Sure it makes a difference in accuracy but if you "learn" the trigger of the gun you are shooting you have no reason to shoot bad. Case in point 1" groups from a Ruger P95 at 10 yards. I have been told countless times how crappy its trigger is.......Ok......So what. When watching TV I will sit and take at least 50 shots with snap caps and "LEARN THE TRIGGER!" Sorry....but that being said I would go with the Buckmark. I plan to buy one soon myself, but I really like my Mosquito.
alaskanativeson
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The P22 "feels" like a piece of crap in my hand, and this is coming from someone who frequently uses a Kel-Tec P32 as a carry gun.
For the Buckmark - Excellent piece of equipment. $440 is definitely way too much. Find a local dealer who will handle a transaction for you and look at the following:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=197953520
That's $265 for a Buckmark Camper.
Another thing to seriously consider is the Ruger. If there's a better .22 pistol than the Ruger, you're going to spend some serious coin on it. Now I know, you don't like the grip angle. I don't either. There's a solution: The 22/45. The same great Ruger .22 action in a grip that feels like the venerable 1911. Gunbroker has several 22/45 MK IIIs for around $265. Of course, you could lose your brain and do what I did:
http://www.awcsystech.com/products/suppressors/badlander/
An AWC Badlander with a built-in suppressor made from a Ruger 22/45. About the same noise level as my Crosman pellet pistol while shooting the .22 LR. Words don't suffice.
For the Buckmark - Excellent piece of equipment. $440 is definitely way too much. Find a local dealer who will handle a transaction for you and look at the following:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=197953520
That's $265 for a Buckmark Camper.
Another thing to seriously consider is the Ruger. If there's a better .22 pistol than the Ruger, you're going to spend some serious coin on it. Now I know, you don't like the grip angle. I don't either. There's a solution: The 22/45. The same great Ruger .22 action in a grip that feels like the venerable 1911. Gunbroker has several 22/45 MK IIIs for around $265. Of course, you could lose your brain and do what I did:
http://www.awcsystech.com/products/suppressors/badlander/
An AWC Badlander with a built-in suppressor made from a Ruger 22/45. About the same noise level as my Crosman pellet pistol while shooting the .22 LR. Words don't suffice.
Vegas Silver
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Buckmark, no doubt
Since you've already handled them and decided on 2, I'll skip the obligatory, "test them out first" mantra.
I think you've already answered this question yourself. You already have multiple doubts about the P22 (and say you like everything about the Buckmark), and are sort of settling due to the price tag. As you can see though, everyone has pointed out that you can easily get new Buckmarks for 300, so the price point is moot now.
Seriously, I've seen and heard tons of complaints about the P22, as have you since you asked all the right questions. Almost everyone recommends either the Buckmark or the Ruger. I'm in the Buckmark camp. It is a fantastic pistol. I'm not a fan of the Ruger ergonomics or tear down, but I'm sure it is a fantastic pistol as well. I love the Ruger 10/22 rifle, just not the pistol.
Bottom line: Grab the Buckmark and don't look back.
Since you've already handled them and decided on 2, I'll skip the obligatory, "test them out first" mantra.
I think you've already answered this question yourself. You already have multiple doubts about the P22 (and say you like everything about the Buckmark), and are sort of settling due to the price tag. As you can see though, everyone has pointed out that you can easily get new Buckmarks for 300, so the price point is moot now.
Seriously, I've seen and heard tons of complaints about the P22, as have you since you asked all the right questions. Almost everyone recommends either the Buckmark or the Ruger. I'm in the Buckmark camp. It is a fantastic pistol. I'm not a fan of the Ruger ergonomics or tear down, but I'm sure it is a fantastic pistol as well. I love the Ruger 10/22 rifle, just not the pistol.
Bottom line: Grab the Buckmark and don't look back.
Craig M. Arnold
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I've owned tons of 22 handguns over my 40 plus years of shooting. I had two Walther P22s. Both were POS. Cute little pistols, just not worth owning.
My answer to anyone wanting a great plinking 22lr pistol is either Browning Buckmark (I own 8) or Ruger.
Best regards.
My answer to anyone wanting a great plinking 22lr pistol is either Browning Buckmark (I own 8) or Ruger.
Best regards.
aestheticcm1
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Hey guys, I figured I'd give an update since my last post. I bought the Buckmark yesterday, because the dealer was running a Halloween sale. I took it home, read the manual and disassembled the gun to oil it and generally get a feel for it. I was surprised at the ease of both dis-assembly and reassembly. Around noon today, it was time to enjoy the fruits. Here are my thoughts and observations:
Immediately, I was really pleased with the crisp, light, trigger pull.
---Also, I really enjoyed the sound and recoil of the Buckmark. It felt like I was shooting a weak 380. I only mention this because, last weekend I was shooting my friend's .22 Beretta, which although small, was exceptionally quiet and lacked enough recoil to make me feel like I was pinking with anything other than a pellet gun. Admittedly, that gun was fired only after I had run out of 9mm for the glock & .38 +p for the titanium snub-nose. My point being the buckmark feels and sounds like a "real" handgun, making it an excellent inexpensive training tool.
--The Buckmark ate every brand of ammo I threw at it. *(rounds fired)
I started off with CCI 40 gr RN (100)
--Winchester Hyperelocity hp, (40)
--Remington vipers (30)
--CCI 36 gr. hp (30)
and then on to the real test, the bulk ammo:
--winchester hp 36 gr box of 333 (333)
--remington yellow jacket hp (50)
--golden bullets (20)
--remington thunder bolt rn (50)
--winchester super x (50)
Out of these nearly 700 rounds, I had 2 fte (both winchester 333), and I think it liked the golden bullets the least.
I also had one of the cci hp jam when i racked the slide to chamber the first round (of ten) in the magazine. I noticed on a couple occasions that the first hp of the magazine when stacked to capacity, would chamber lethargically. I'm thinking in these instances it was a combination of (1) not making sure the rounds were well seated in the magazine, when (2) loading the magazine to capacity, and (3) using hollow points. Otherwise, the gun performed flawlessly.
My groups were not as tight as I have shot with .22 rugers, but in those instances, I was shooting with longer barrels (for rear sight alignment purposes) that had been well sighted in. I haven't seriously sighted in the gun, and I'm sure that most of the grouping was due to my own error.
How do I feel about the purchase so far? Excellent. It is day one of shooting and day two of ownership, so obviously I'm prone to lauding the merits of my purchase, but I can honestly say that I scrutinized as much as I could today and didn't have any gripes. I broke it down and cleaned & lubed it afterwords and thought about doing the "heggis" trigger job, but didn't have the balls to commit to it yet. I'll see how it performs with a 550 box of 36 gr federal bulk tomorrow, and I'm sure it will be just as fun as it was today: an absolute blast.
Again, thanks for all the input guys. It really did help me settle on the purchase. Feel free to let me in on other advise about the gun as well as it's quirks, tricks, or otherwise.
Very gratefully,
Charlie
Immediately, I was really pleased with the crisp, light, trigger pull.
---Also, I really enjoyed the sound and recoil of the Buckmark. It felt like I was shooting a weak 380. I only mention this because, last weekend I was shooting my friend's .22 Beretta, which although small, was exceptionally quiet and lacked enough recoil to make me feel like I was pinking with anything other than a pellet gun. Admittedly, that gun was fired only after I had run out of 9mm for the glock & .38 +p for the titanium snub-nose. My point being the buckmark feels and sounds like a "real" handgun, making it an excellent inexpensive training tool.
--The Buckmark ate every brand of ammo I threw at it. *(rounds fired)
I started off with CCI 40 gr RN (100)
--Winchester Hyperelocity hp, (40)
--Remington vipers (30)
--CCI 36 gr. hp (30)
and then on to the real test, the bulk ammo:
--winchester hp 36 gr box of 333 (333)
--remington yellow jacket hp (50)
--golden bullets (20)
--remington thunder bolt rn (50)
--winchester super x (50)
Out of these nearly 700 rounds, I had 2 fte (both winchester 333), and I think it liked the golden bullets the least.
I also had one of the cci hp jam when i racked the slide to chamber the first round (of ten) in the magazine. I noticed on a couple occasions that the first hp of the magazine when stacked to capacity, would chamber lethargically. I'm thinking in these instances it was a combination of (1) not making sure the rounds were well seated in the magazine, when (2) loading the magazine to capacity, and (3) using hollow points. Otherwise, the gun performed flawlessly.
My groups were not as tight as I have shot with .22 rugers, but in those instances, I was shooting with longer barrels (for rear sight alignment purposes) that had been well sighted in. I haven't seriously sighted in the gun, and I'm sure that most of the grouping was due to my own error.
How do I feel about the purchase so far? Excellent. It is day one of shooting and day two of ownership, so obviously I'm prone to lauding the merits of my purchase, but I can honestly say that I scrutinized as much as I could today and didn't have any gripes. I broke it down and cleaned & lubed it afterwords and thought about doing the "heggis" trigger job, but didn't have the balls to commit to it yet. I'll see how it performs with a 550 box of 36 gr federal bulk tomorrow, and I'm sure it will be just as fun as it was today: an absolute blast.
Again, thanks for all the input guys. It really did help me settle on the purchase. Feel free to let me in on other advise about the gun as well as it's quirks, tricks, or otherwise.
Very gratefully,
Charlie
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ET
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Congratulations on your new purchase. My wife bought a Buckmark Camper and loves it. She only shoots CCI Mini-Mags and has never had an ftf. When I've shot it I've gotten really tight groups with it. I think you are going to really enjoy shooting your Buck Mark for many years to come. Sounds like you have already gotten a good start on it. I think my wife has only shot 700 rounds total with her gun. She's only had it about a month now.
searcher451
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Good for you -- that's the right call, indeed. The Browning is a terrific pistol that will, if properly cared for, last you a lifetime. Nice job.
Hanzo581
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I have to figure out what type of ammo you guys are using in your P22's to make them a "jam-o-matic"...I'd like to try to replicate the result in mine.
aestheticcm1
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Typically anything but CCI Minimags, and even sometimes they don't work. I had three friends buy P22's. They all got rid of them due to reliability issues, plus accuracy was poor, and inaccurate guns, even plinkers, are no fun especially when you have very accurate Rugers and Brownings to fall back on.
Average Joe
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Between those two, get the Buckmark, but not the $440 gold plated version. Get the blue or stainless for much less.
Dudemeister
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New Grips
Just got a set of grips for my Buck on eBay.
After shooting the Buck for the last 30+ years with it's original plastic grips, I though it was high time I gave it a face lift, and since the URX grips don't fit this version, I started to look for some nice target grips. These are just beautifully made, and they feel great. The thumb rest is in the right place, and the checkering is subtle and doesn't dig into the palm.
The seller said they were rosewood, but I think this is cocobolo. The grain figure is just beautiful.
Just got a set of grips for my Buck on eBay.
After shooting the Buck for the last 30+ years with it's original plastic grips, I though it was high time I gave it a face lift, and since the URX grips don't fit this version, I started to look for some nice target grips. These are just beautifully made, and they feel great. The thumb rest is in the right place, and the checkering is subtle and doesn't dig into the palm.
The seller said they were rosewood, but I think this is cocobolo. The grain figure is just beautiful.
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A friend has a pair of P22s. We were shooting them one day when, mid magazine, my friend stopped shooting. I looked over and he was holding his face with one hand and feeling around on the ground with the other. Blood was dripping from between the fingers of the hand holding the face.
I asked if he'd been hit by a ricochet. He picked up the slide of his P22 off the ground and said "No. I got hit by this F'ing thing." The slide had broken and shot off the frame, hitting him squarely in the bridge of the nose.
I agree that the P22 has very good ergonomics. I never had any feeding problems with it, but after the episode above, I won't shoot one.
aestheticcm1
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Dudemeister, sweet looking gun. The grips look great and the gun looks flawless.
I have another question for the forum: Do any of you use a "Bsquared" weaver rail/scope base on your guns? I tried to use one on my gun, but once it was bolted into place, I couldn't rack the slide.
Did I install it incorrectly? Is there another part requried? To install I had removed the long sightbase from the top of the gun via the two hex screws, then put the bsquared rail in place and used those same hex screws on that base. After doing so, I couldn't get the slide to move. When I replaced the iron sight base, the slide functioned fine. I'm thinking there might be some unwanted friction somewhere. Anyone had a similar experience?
Any help you can offer is appreciated. Thanks guys.
I have another question for the forum: Do any of you use a "Bsquared" weaver rail/scope base on your guns? I tried to use one on my gun, but once it was bolted into place, I couldn't rack the slide.
Did I install it incorrectly? Is there another part requried? To install I had removed the long sightbase from the top of the gun via the two hex screws, then put the bsquared rail in place and used those same hex screws on that base. After doing so, I couldn't get the slide to move. When I replaced the iron sight base, the slide functioned fine. I'm thinking there might be some unwanted friction somewhere. Anyone had a similar experience?
Any help you can offer is appreciated. Thanks guys.
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