Parents: Teacher silenced son on hunting
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Huh.
Apparently you didn't finish the article:
The parents aren't merely relying on their child's word. They SAW the teacher act like a child (Marty is the child's father).
Gives a great deal of credence to their son's report to them.
mak read the artical... that was a comment she made to the father later. We also have no idea what was said in that convo. The guy could have very well been a complete jack ass and she said that to piss him off, if she said it at all.
Rule one when it comes to people.
Every one lies when it suits them.
Rule one when it comes to people.
Every one lies when it suits them.
I guess the Civil War and other wars that have changed the world are not to be discussed in her room as well. What about president assassinations and other world events
Maybe we should be ashamed of our history and let others come walking in like we have nothing to protect.... LIKE OUR FREEDOM!!!
uk roe hunter
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john,
my understanding was that they were talking about this at snack time, not during work ing time. I also understood she put her fingers in her ears and made la la la la sounds at break time. does this free snack time have to be taken in silence or are the children allowed to talk? if they are why is this a taboo subject? this is the issue.
The word taste was raised by the school, not you, not me.
I am talking about that one incident on the details we have. I am not talking about, nor judging, the teaching profession. Indeed as a Chair of School governors over here i fully support you guys and generally have some insight.
BUT that teacher reported,if the circumstances were as reported, is in the wrong.
steve
my understanding was that they were talking about this at snack time, not during work ing time. I also understood she put her fingers in her ears and made la la la la sounds at break time. does this free snack time have to be taken in silence or are the children allowed to talk? if they are why is this a taboo subject? this is the issue.
The word taste was raised by the school, not you, not me.
I am talking about that one incident on the details we have. I am not talking about, nor judging, the teaching profession. Indeed as a Chair of School governors over here i fully support you guys and generally have some insight.
BUT that teacher reported,if the circumstances were as reported, is in the wrong.
steve
I did read the article. You then said the child could have lied to his parents. I pointed out the parents believe the child because they had a similar experience to his.
Now you call the parents liars.
I pointed out the parents have reason to believe the report. I did not tell you that you had to believe the parents. It seems you do not.
mike724
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Mr. Warren, The original post said, "Bordwell suggested to the board that a decision by Backus to eliminate all free snack periods in the classroom, changing them to "working" snack time for the remainder of the school year, was designed to stop the flow of free conversation among Jared and the other students." This indicates that the conversation occurred in a personal period for the students. Your comment,"I have lesson plans and we discuss what is part of that lesson. If it isn't part of that lesson, they can discuss it on their own time. Period.", is fine while class is in session, and moderated and regulated by the instructor. However, the teacher was sticking her tree-hugging nose into the students' FREE TIME. I trust you wouldn't behave so.
oooooo..oooooo...oooooo, dog pile, dog pile...
Look folks the public school system isn't as bad as some here intone. In fact it's pretty darn good in my part of the country ( if you consider that teaching adolescents is kinda like herding cats).
If you send the kids off and have no further input, just sit around and wait for something to get upset about, then yeah you'll find something.
If you prepare your kids and teach them to "think" for themselves then they'll probably do okay.
Anybody that thinks that they will walk into a school and lay down an ultimatum, well, they may be disappointed with the outcome.
Get involved, stay involved, visit the classroom, meet and know the teachers. It will all work out.
As to the OP, it sounds like the School district is working on a solution.
As for the teacher, well it's never too late to learn.
Look folks the public school system isn't as bad as some here intone. In fact it's pretty darn good in my part of the country ( if you consider that teaching adolescents is kinda like herding cats).
If you send the kids off and have no further input, just sit around and wait for something to get upset about, then yeah you'll find something.
If you prepare your kids and teach them to "think" for themselves then they'll probably do okay.
Anybody that thinks that they will walk into a school and lay down an ultimatum, well, they may be disappointed with the outcome.
Get involved, stay involved, visit the classroom, meet and know the teachers. It will all work out.
As to the OP, it sounds like the School district is working on a solution.
As for the teacher, well it's never too late to learn.
bang_bang
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I think she needs to try hunting with Dick Cheney. 
Art Eatman
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From the article:
"Both boys had been out hunting with their dads and Jared was asking his friend where he had gotten his first turkey.
"Jared's teacher covered her ears, trying to block the conversation, and singing 'la la la la.' When asked by another school employee about her odd behavior, the teacher claimed she did not want to hear about the boys and their 'killing.'"
The article specifically said Jared is ten years old. Fourth grade. Presumably the other boy is also ten. Presumably both have killed turkeys, from the phrasing.
Sounds like in the maturity contest, boys - 2, teacher - 0.
The snack period deal sounds much like an indoor recess. So long as some degree of decorum is maintained, it seems to me that the kids can talk pretty much about any legal or moral subject--or should be able to. It seems to have been two boys talking to each other, not orating to the class at large.
That teach skipped her remedial year of Grow-up 101.
"Both boys had been out hunting with their dads and Jared was asking his friend where he had gotten his first turkey.
"Jared's teacher covered her ears, trying to block the conversation, and singing 'la la la la.' When asked by another school employee about her odd behavior, the teacher claimed she did not want to hear about the boys and their 'killing.'"
The article specifically said Jared is ten years old. Fourth grade. Presumably the other boy is also ten. Presumably both have killed turkeys, from the phrasing.
Sounds like in the maturity contest, boys - 2, teacher - 0.
The snack period deal sounds much like an indoor recess. So long as some degree of decorum is maintained, it seems to me that the kids can talk pretty much about any legal or moral subject--or should be able to. It seems to have been two boys talking to each other, not orating to the class at large.
That teach skipped her remedial year of Grow-up 101.
BlackJackal
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thats ridiculous!!!... wooooow!... nonsence..... i sapose if the kid was talking about cutting down trees with his father she would have over reacted the same way... :/
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To be fair, Art, the boys were much too young to have taken even one Education course.
wheelgunslinger
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And, on the other hand, it's a great opportunity for the kids to learn about social boundaries.
In life, they'll spend more time at work than at school, hopefully. And, as we all know, work doesnt always allow any kind of speech you like.
There's a time and a place for conversations of every type and subject matter. Perhaps during snack time wasn't appropriate.
Besides, if there were an emergency, would you want the teacher to have an embedded authority over the kids that would make them listen to her without question (get up, go out the door single file, etc) or would you want them instantly and smugly thinking that they didn't have to do what she said.
I'm an avid hunter, but I'm not sure I'd get my undergarments bunched about this whole thing, if those were my kids. I might want to have a convo with the teacher to find out what really happened, but I really think I'd encourage my kids to consider that not every topic is okay to discuss in public and in mixed company. Much like real life outside of school.
In life, they'll spend more time at work than at school, hopefully. And, as we all know, work doesnt always allow any kind of speech you like.
There's a time and a place for conversations of every type and subject matter. Perhaps during snack time wasn't appropriate.
Besides, if there were an emergency, would you want the teacher to have an embedded authority over the kids that would make them listen to her without question (get up, go out the door single file, etc) or would you want them instantly and smugly thinking that they didn't have to do what she said.
I'm an avid hunter, but I'm not sure I'd get my undergarments bunched about this whole thing, if those were my kids. I might want to have a convo with the teacher to find out what really happened, but I really think I'd encourage my kids to consider that not every topic is okay to discuss in public and in mixed company. Much like real life outside of school.
VPLthrneck
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So true, especially in teaching. Very few of my teachers (just realized that's been 16 years ago) were actually from Montana, and I mean statewide, not just the local area/county. Even then we had a few that would give students (high school level) funny looks and shake their heads when the talk of guns and hunting was overheard.
I've heard from my sis who's an elementry teacher that several of the "locally raised" teachers have taken the newcomer teachers off to the side and told them not to be shocked when the kids talk about hunting and such. But I'm afraid those like her and some of you here are a few and far between in the public system.
For those of you with children in private schools I applaude you! Your tax dollars are still going to the public system and yet you spend to get your kids taught properly.
Oh and what's this "snack time" that this class was on? Is that what has replaced recess?
That's odd. When I taught in public school, I taught Hunter Safety courses year round. We also had a Hunting Club. I think it's a matter of location, not a matter of Public School.
Edit to add: Apparently the SCOTUS deemed both self-defense and hunting as Constitutional rightful uses of a firearm. In light of that ruling, does then discussion of firearms and hunting become Constitutionally protected at appropriate times: 1) in presenting an in-class assignment, or 2) during "free time"?
Hmmm.
Edit to add: Apparently the SCOTUS deemed both self-defense and hunting as Constitutional rightful uses of a firearm. In light of that ruling, does then discussion of firearms and hunting become Constitutionally protected at appropriate times: 1) in presenting an in-class assignment, or 2) during "free time"?
Hmmm.
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langenc
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The principal mostly wants the $$ that comes with each student.
TCB in TN
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As a teacher I can somewhat agree here, and IF her reaction had been an adult, teacher like response then I probably would have agreed, but when you pull the la, la, la, I am not hearing you card, you kinda lose the benefit of the doubt!
wolfe28
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This is a far to common problem, and it concerns more than hunting.
Before we moved, my wife was a 5th grade teacher. Before my wife and I met, if she had two such students in her class discussing hunting, she would have probably asked them to change the subject (she has admitted this). Now, since we have been married, she now enjoys shooting, and is not opposed to me going hunting (as soon as I get the time, but that's another thread). She also agrees that 'bambi' does in-fact make cute sandwiches (and chili, and chops, and ...)
What has changed? Well, she has now had some exposure to firearms in a positive and enjoyable light. So, last year, when she did have a few students discussing hunting (I believe elk was the subject), she reacted with curiosity and interest, instead of distain and ignorance.
People always react with fear and hostility to things that challenge their point of view or sense of security, or things they just don't understand, even if they are unfounded.
(Now I'm going to rant for a second) In the case of the teacher in question, I would guess that they have probably never done anything outdoors. Not to mention the fact that to cover one's ears and make noise to try and block out a conversation is not only childish, but it is unprofessional. I would move for this teacher's immediate removal on the grounds of a severe lack of maturity. (Rant over)
The problem is intellectual rigidity. To be effective and/or successful in this day and age, a person's mind must be open to new ideas and experiences, or at least the ability to look at a situation from another's point of view (within reason). Once things become black and white, the discussion stops, and no progress can be made. People who say "hunting is killing and killing is wrong" have effectively become a human stop sign, and you really can't reason with one of those. This problem could have arisen just as easily if the students had been discussing evolution, and the teacher was a creationist (as an example, I'm not trying to start a fight here).
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Before we moved, my wife was a 5th grade teacher. Before my wife and I met, if she had two such students in her class discussing hunting, she would have probably asked them to change the subject (she has admitted this). Now, since we have been married, she now enjoys shooting, and is not opposed to me going hunting (as soon as I get the time, but that's another thread). She also agrees that 'bambi' does in-fact make cute sandwiches (and chili, and chops, and ...)
What has changed? Well, she has now had some exposure to firearms in a positive and enjoyable light. So, last year, when she did have a few students discussing hunting (I believe elk was the subject), she reacted with curiosity and interest, instead of distain and ignorance.
People always react with fear and hostility to things that challenge their point of view or sense of security, or things they just don't understand, even if they are unfounded.
(Now I'm going to rant for a second) In the case of the teacher in question, I would guess that they have probably never done anything outdoors. Not to mention the fact that to cover one's ears and make noise to try and block out a conversation is not only childish, but it is unprofessional. I would move for this teacher's immediate removal on the grounds of a severe lack of maturity. (Rant over)
The problem is intellectual rigidity. To be effective and/or successful in this day and age, a person's mind must be open to new ideas and experiences, or at least the ability to look at a situation from another's point of view (within reason). Once things become black and white, the discussion stops, and no progress can be made. People who say "hunting is killing and killing is wrong" have effectively become a human stop sign, and you really can't reason with one of those. This problem could have arisen just as easily if the students had been discussing evolution, and the teacher was a creationist (as an example, I'm not trying to start a fight here).
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