Pay Pal, anti gun?

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We'll have to see if they change their stance a bit, I see that ebay is allowing more gun related parts than before.
 
Even a nice guy like Steve avoids Paypal like the plague.

Steve's Guns aka Nate Kiowa Jones said:
I'm NOT accepting PayPal payments anymore.
As many of you know, PayPal is very gun UNFRIENDLY, and will gladly freeze any account they feel like along with whatever money is currently in the account.
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Remember kids, Paypal is not a bank. They're not held to the same standards and don't have to act like one.
 
If paypal is anti gun " it is" do your part as a gun owner and do not support them. Really it is a simple fix but the sheep gun owners which seems to be an abundant number lately fully support paypal because they are to lazy to wait for a money order. I understand paypal makes business safer and easier but it also supports anti gun powers.

I guess my problem is with the folks that b!?ch about gun laws/rights and then turn around and sell/buy via paypal. It's frustrating to see this
 
On both evil bay and pay pal it's about litigation, not anti fire arms. I've bought and sold hundreds of fire arms related items on evil bay, paid and received payment with pay pal and not one single problem. You just have to follow the "terms of the agreement" on both sites, just like here at THR.
 
I've never had an issue.....of course I only sell those items which aren't prohibited. Biggest issue is people who don't know any better putting too much information in the transaction.

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I'd like to see some sort of documentation that Paypal contributes to "anti-gun" powers instead of just more forum fodder. That, of course, doesn't include people ranting because their accounts got frozen and canceled because they violated the terms of use...
 
Ebay
Not allowed:
Listings for gun parts that don't specify the kinds of weapons the parts are used for

PayPal
You can't buy or sell
Firearm parts, including but not limited to receivers and frames, silencers, and kits designed to modify guns so that they fire automatically. High capacity magazines, multi-burst trigger activators, and camouflaging firearm containers are other items in this category.
 
On a side note, i sold a knoxx shotty stock without running afoul of these regs about a year or two back.
 
I am very happy folks are still dealing with guns and fun parts with paypal and ebay but I would also like to point out your funding the wrong "in my view'' side of things. Please just think about it for a while, you use paypal and ebay and eat at fatfood chains that are openly anti gun and it does not bother ya:fire: maby not the best thing to flaunt on a firearms forum where a good deal of folks here are actively supporting firearms rights, way to show support.
 
Good grief Charlie Brown...........

I pay taxes to a government that is more "anti gun" than PayPal could ever hope to be.

Good grief.
 
I don't know, the guys that started PayPal are really big Ron Paul supporters (7 figures worth), and Ron Paul is the only 2A supporter that is runing right now. If you have ever contributed to Ron Paul's campaign you would see he is wired for "donation" (fee free) with PayPal.

I've heard about frozen PayPal accounts, but every one I know of ended up having something that was financially questonable as the problem, not the product. They were being very safe on the anti-identity fraud side, and are very careful.

Probably the biggest problem with PayPal is the inability to reach and talk to a live body, when you do have a problem. I've never had a problem with PayPal and I have used them for over 10 years.
 
BP44 said:
If paypal is anti gun " it is" do your part as a gun owner and do not support them. Really it is a simple fix but the sheep gun owners which seems to be an abundant number lately fully support paypal because they are to lazy to wait for a money order. I understand paypal makes business safer and easier but it also supports anti gun powers.

I guess my problem is with the folks that b!?ch about gun laws/rights and then turn around and sell/buy via paypal. It's frustrating to see this
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Ebay and Paypal make business decisions based completely off of $. I have bought and sold many firearm parts through them. I am not "lazy", I buy and sell what they will allow.

I believe that if MORE gun people bought and sold the parts that they do allow, then in the future they will allow even more items related to firearms. I think this point can be supported by the fact that they are currently allowing more gun related items. They are not out to stomp on our rights, they are out to make money.

You can actually help the gun community MORE by showing companies like Ebay and Paypal that there is a profit to be made in guns. You can show them this buy buying up what they do allow now. The more access we have to guns and related items the better we are as a community. Ebay and Paypal will most deffiantely NOT change their policy if less gun stuff is purchased through them. If we all boycot them all we will do is have less options as a gun buying community. You can be a part of changing their policy. I am a firm believer that you are far more sucessfull in changing a SUCESSFUL companies practices, buy showing them how to make more $$
 
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I've made a lot of transactions on eBay and most of it was with Paypal. I used to buy and sell a lot of old Goldwing parts on eBay. In the ten years or so I've been using both Paypal and eBay I really haven't had any problems. I believe they avoid firearm dealing due to the rather convoluted gun laws in the various states might leave them open to attacks by the government. They aren't racist in not wanting to deal in native American artifacts. Those are a tricky thing to buy and sell without running into some pretty stringent laws. I had a bunch of ivory carved by Inuit friends that I needed to sell once and had to prove its origin, date of manufacture, who carved it and a whole bunch of crap to satisfy the feds. I don't blame eBay in not wanting to get caught up in that kind of stuff.
 
When you purchase with pay pal Do you identify the item as "gun parts" "gun stocks" "Gun grips" "Pistol Magazines" etc etc. "Payment for gun parts" etc.

In other words do you accurately call a spade a spade on the memo lines?

I don't think so....Why, because your account funds will get locked until they "investigate" yada yada. PayPal is not 2A friendly...
 
I don't believe I've ever identified a purchase on Paypal other than the email address of the seller. When sending money via Paypal the identification is normally, "goods", "gift", etc. Mainly because their bite is different for different catagories.
 
I would like to take a moment to say that im sorry, I can see now that I ruffled som feathers by speaking my mind. Support of a anti 2A business im sure doesnt help the cause that they back:fire: As several folks have said call a spade a spaid- I call someone who takes the easy wrong over a hard right lazy.

once agian this is just how I feel about it
 
I would like to take a moment to say that im sorry, I can see now that I ruffled som feathers by speaking my mind. Support of a anti 2A business im sure doesnt help the cause that they back As several folks have said call a spade a spaid- I call someone who takes the easy wrong over a hard right lazy.

once agian this is just how I feel about it
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I for one respect all opinions and love the fact that we are free to make our own. I feel it is unfortunate though that you see someone buying from ebay as "lazy".

I really don't think ebay is anti 2A. If they were they would prohibit CCW holsters, Magazines, Lasers, grips, ect. They encourage these items, having categories espically dedicated to them.

I see them as a company that is indifferent to the 2A. They are doing what they feel will make the most sense to them from a financial standpoint. Showing them that selling these items are profitable might help to get them to sell the items they currently prohibit.

I feel when you are trying to stand up for your rights, it takes a lot more to try and get people on our side than it does to just try to take them down. The "lazy" way is to ignore someone and hope they go away. The better solution is to get them on your side.

Now if I truly felt that Ebay/Paypal was anit 2A, I would NOT support them, but it is hard for me to say they are truly anti 2A, when they sell so many items related to firearms and CCW.

I think they fall into the category of indifferent to 2A. People, groups, business, ect that are indifferent to our cause need to be swayed our way not the other. This may be the harder road but worth the fight.

If a person, group, business, ect is in the middle of the gun rights fight how does it help us to push them to the anti side? All we are doing by boycotting companies in the middle is sending more people to the anti side. We need to get the people in the middle on our side.
 
I've bought dies, holsters, and other firearm related stuff on eBay, paid with PayPal, no issues ever.
Been using PayPal since just about day 1 with them.
 
I've bought plenty of firearms related items on ebay and paid with paypal. If they were Anti then how would that be happening? Anti or Pro 2A? More like anti regulatory/legal entanglement.
 
In favor of Paypal

I guess I am in a small minority. I am, I guess what you would call a 'liberal'. But, I use Paypal! I have used it for perhaps 8 years now, and love it. I have a Paypal debit card, and spend perhaps $2,000 a month with it. I also collect firearms. Recently bought: a Winchester 1886 Deluxe in 95% condition (45-70), a Winchester 1886 takedown deluxe 33 in 90% condition, a Colt Model M, 1903 in 100%, and a box of old Winchester 38-56 shells. I guess this is all to establish myself as a serious collector, which I certainly am... and to brag a bit. (after all, who can top the 1886, worth easily $55,000?)
I do not understand all this vindictiveness against Paypal. They have made a conscious decision to avoid gun related payments... a wise decision in our litigious society. But, there are an amazing number of people that villify them. Kinda like Jane Fonda. I saw a truck emblazoned with anti Jane Fonda plackards last week... 43 years after she made that poor decision, that she later regretted. 43 years!
Thankfully, Paypal is not subject to approval from the masses, except in their success. They have my approval, and I guess that is all that matters...
 
Just a month or so ago, they actually added TO the list of firearm related parts that you can buy and sell on ebay. The seller must be in the USA and use domestic shipping ONLY. The updated stuff you can sell in addition to what was allowed before is as follows:

En bloc clips
Barrels
Bolts
Choke tubes
Cylinders
Firing pins
Hammers

Magazines with a capacity to accept 10 rounds or less (high-capacity magazines that can accept more than 10 rounds are not allowed)

Slides
Trigger assemblies

So, in the light of ADDING to what you can sell, how can you say that they are anti-gun? Consider the fact that they are based in the "overly-litigious" state of California, it just sounds like good business sense to me.
 
Radarcarve - A lot of guys in my age category (pushing 70) believe Jane Fonda was a traitor. She aided and abetted the enemy in enemy territory while our guys were dying in Nam. No different than Tokyo Rose or Lord Haha. What that has to do with eBay or Paypal I don't know.
 
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