PBS poll on Heller
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leadcounsel
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Yes, 82%,
No 16%
Unsure 1%
How can you be unsure, and what's the point of voting if you are unsure? Just don't vote!!!! Duh.
No 16%
Unsure 1%
How can you be unsure, and what's the point of voting if you are unsure? Just don't vote!!!! Duh.
Microlon
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As of 7:52 AM, Central Time:
Yes 83%
No 15%
WTH? 1%
Yes 83%
No 15%
WTH? 1%
No. We're in a battle for "hearts and minds" as well as starting the long string of legal challenges to other gun prohibitionist laws what will further refine what "reasonable restrictions" are or are not. The story is far from over.
Infidel Cowboy
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Yes 84%
DirksterG30
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Yes 84%
No 14%
Not Sure 1%
No 14%
Not Sure 1%
Intune
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85%
13%
1 %
13%
1 %
The Annoyed Man
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Yes 85%
No 13%
Not Sure 1%
No 13%
Not Sure 1%
W.E.G.
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I hitted it.
drwindmill
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Yes 86%
No 12%
Not Sure 1%
No 12%
Not Sure 1%
pappy
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Now at 88%
Floppy_D
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In, still at 88%.
I don't know how far this poll will be reported but it is IMPORTANT. A PBS poll, with a high RKBA opinion in favor, will be taken much more seriously than say, an NRA pole, by a future administration. A poll like this could reduce, not remove, the possibility of anti-gun legislation for the near future.
Gun advocates can now say that nearly 90% of the liberals and centerists support the 2nd amendment. That is a lot of votes.
Gun advocates can now say that nearly 90% of the liberals and centerists support the 2nd amendment. That is a lot of votes.
CDignition
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I wonder how skewed these polls are by postings in gun forums like this.. or on the flip side, the Antis having the same polls on their forums and telling their people to hit no.... its a for fun poll only..
Mongo the Mutterer
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First, I voted.
Second, the only thing I know about PBS is my tax dollars go to the liberal fascists who can't make a living otherwise, so why do I GAS?
Last, do you really think that the liberal elitist scumbags have a majority in this nation? Only in Hollywood and the SMSM.
Second, the only thing I know about PBS is my tax dollars go to the liberal fascists who can't make a living otherwise, so why do I GAS?
Last, do you really think that the liberal elitist scumbags have a majority in this nation? Only in Hollywood and the SMSM.
Mongo,
Your right, they don't. The problem is that, because of sheer noise volume, some people think they do.
A poll like this by PBS, even though any sane individual knows it's skewed, can be used to convince the shallow-thinkers that the other members of their flock are pro-RKBA.
Once you can get a flock of sheep bunched and moving in the right direction most of the work is done.
As soon as you get any of the tired anti arguments all you need to say is that 90% of people polled by PBS are pro RKBA. The rabid antis can't answer that. They sheep will think about joining the flock because they feel vulnerable out on their own.
IMPORTANT
Anyone who wants to use this poll in an argument should print a screen dump of the results right now. Pretty certainly, once the immediate interest is over, this poll will disappear and you will never be able to prove it existed.
Your right, they don't. The problem is that, because of sheer noise volume, some people think they do.
A poll like this by PBS, even though any sane individual knows it's skewed, can be used to convince the shallow-thinkers that the other members of their flock are pro-RKBA.
Once you can get a flock of sheep bunched and moving in the right direction most of the work is done.
As soon as you get any of the tired anti arguments all you need to say is that 90% of people polled by PBS are pro RKBA. The rabid antis can't answer that. They sheep will think about joining the flock because they feel vulnerable out on their own.
IMPORTANT
Anyone who wants to use this poll in an argument should print a screen dump of the results right now. Pretty certainly, once the immediate interest is over, this poll will disappear and you will never be able to prove it existed.
762 shooter
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Yes 91%
No 8%
No 8%
Nah, you really can't say that. At least you can't say it and have it be accepted by rational people. You really have to know how the sample was collected to say what you suggest. If there is evidence that the poll was "hit hard" by a bunch of motivated pro-gun advocates, then the poll results are not representative of the population you are claiming it is representative of, "liberals and centerists."
Let's say that you were to proclaim that "that nearly 90% of the liberals and centerists support the 2nd amendment. A PBS online poll said so!" Someone who didn't know you might say something like "I dunno, that sounds kind of unusual. How good was the sample? Could it have been gamed or distorted by some partisans? That happens a lot on the Internet. Hey, what about this thread I found?"
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=373972
What do you say now?
I think they can answer that. They'll just say that the poll was biased by energetic pro-gun advocates who "hit the poll hard" and voted repeatedly. They could show evidence of such a conclusion by pointing to:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=373972
IME
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The fact that the poll was designed to allow someone to vote more than once gives PBS the out to discredit the result of the poll. They will just say the the "right-wing gun zealots" simply voted over and over again. As a result, they will say, the poll doesn't actually represent the views of the majority of Americans.
Now, if the results had tracked in the opposite direction, my bet is that PBS would trumpet the news about how a large cross-section of America "disagreed" with the Heller decision.
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Now, if the results had tracked in the opposite direction, my bet is that PBS would trumpet the news about how a large cross-section of America "disagreed" with the Heller decision.
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armedandsafe
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Yes 92%
No 7%
Not Sure 0%
Total Votes: 1462
Pops
No 7%
Not Sure 0%
Total Votes: 1462
Pops
FCFC,
You argument is correct on the facts but wrong on the application. It fails to consider the fact, often demonstrated, that people will believe anything backed up by a piece of paper or internet screen. This fact has been used by our opponents frequently in the past.
I do know that the poll "has been hit hard" by pro-gun groups. I can only assume that, since the poll is in their area of attention, the poll has also been "hit hard" by anti-gun groups. Therefore, my position is that, on balance the final result is accurate. I am sure that an experienced media organization such as PBS has taken the care to ensure that their poll is reasonably accurate. To do otherwise would be uncharacteristic of a responsible entity such as PBS.
I rest my case.
IME.
PBS will say nothing. To state they produced a flawed poll will damage their credibility. The poll will quietly disappear so get your print-out now.
You argument is correct on the facts but wrong on the application. It fails to consider the fact, often demonstrated, that people will believe anything backed up by a piece of paper or internet screen. This fact has been used by our opponents frequently in the past.
I do know that the poll "has been hit hard" by pro-gun groups. I can only assume that, since the poll is in their area of attention, the poll has also been "hit hard" by anti-gun groups. Therefore, my position is that, on balance the final result is accurate. I am sure that an experienced media organization such as PBS has taken the care to ensure that their poll is reasonably accurate. To do otherwise would be uncharacteristic of a responsible entity such as PBS.
I rest my case.
IME.
PBS will say nothing. To state they produced a flawed poll will damage their credibility. The poll will quietly disappear so get your print-out now.
Aguila Blanca
Member
In the Supreme Court's first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history, it ruled that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting. Do you agree with the decision?
Yes 92%
No 7%
Not Sure 0%
Yes 92%
No 7%
Not Sure 0%
LOL. OK.
BTW, here's a poll that is very probably valid and reliable.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...th_court_gun_ruling_and_think_mccain_does_too
The results are very useful for and supportive of the pro-gun rights position. And the results are persuasive.
Why anyone would want to use an obviously gamed (PBS) poll to cite 90% support when the real result is pretty darn favorable and completely withstands reasonable scrutiny.
The PBS numbers are laughable. Only the naive and lazy would bother with them.
The Rasmussen numbers are done professionally. And they are citable. People who want to make a cogent argument would find and use these numbers.
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