Pennsylvania gun control and registration

[orpington]

Is this for real:

Pennsylvania SB445 would not only allow a state police registration database of firearms it would alse require full registration of all firearms in the state

http://amgoa.org/Proposed-Pennsylvan...tate-Law/28669


I thought this state was very firearms-friendly??? So what is going on and what are the chances firearms registry will be required of Pennsylvanians?

 

[Red Wind]

Chance are zero. ZERO . 0. OK?

 

[orpington]

Then why would they waste their time even proposing it?

 

[4banger]

It's likely campaign fluff to say they tried for tougher gun laws for the children and such. They will use it later in elections.

 

[orpington]

I think the same thing is being proposed in Connecticut. The trouble is, up there, it might actually pass. Am I correct in thinking this? Your thoughts?

 

[Midwest]

The anti's tried that nonsense in Kentucky a few years ago too. It didn't go anywhere. But the anti's are trying again this year with different stuff.
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[Red Wind]

I think the same thing is being proposed in Connecticut. The trouble is, up there, it might actually pass. Am I correct in thinking this? Your thoughts?

My thoughts are, even in Connecticut ,it will gain no traction.

 

[flphotog]

Having 0 chance of passing never stopped a demo dumo before. There are several bills that have been introduced in FL this year that will never get past the first committee.

 

[Pilot]

Pure political posturing. Look for the new Obama clone, Democrat Governor of PA, Tom Wolf, to spout some gun control rhetoric to score political points with his base over the next four years. As long as the PA legislature remains Republican it won't go anywhere.

 

[JERRY]

Pennsylvania is a big Obama supporter. never dismiss their anti constitutional assaults.

 

[guyfromohio]

When I think of PA, I think of mountains and rural beauty. I often forget that it borders NJ and has Philadelphia politics.

 

[Steve in PA]

"Pennsylvania is a big Obama supporter. never dismiss their anti constitutional assaults."

Um, no we are not. Philthy-delphia is....which ruins it for the rest of the state.

 

[3212]

In PA, its urban problems causing blanket legislation attempts.

 

[orpington]

Why is it, IN GENERAL, just my observations, and this is not meant to denigrate either political party, (although both are just chock full of cheats, scoundrels, and thieves, and BOTH are certainly worthy of denigrating as often as is possible!), but, WHY is it that when legislation is proposed and passed, the Democratic Party at the state AND Federal level is so vehemently anti-firearm and the Republican party, IN GENERAL, is not? Politically, this seems to be the case, but I don't recall, when first being introduced to firearms at a young age, anyone ever asking me if I affiliated with the Republican or Democratic party, and if I answered Republican, the next step would be, have I got something you might like to see and/or fire, but if I answered Democratic, the subject would quickly change. It seems like to me that this is the way Congressmen vote, but yet it is not something that should be based strictly on political persuasions. You could be a Democrat and have a need to use and respect firearms, whereas you could be a Republican and the reverse is true?????

 

[JERRY]

by and large, Democrats believe the government should control and dictate most of your life.... the government knows whats better for you than you do, you're too stupid to spend your own money et cetera.... in order to further that wanton power and control over you, they need you to be dependent upon them in everyway. gun ownership is a sign of freedom and independence.... that flies in the face of Democrats.

BTW, replace the word Democrats with socialists and this is all still the same.

 

[Old Fuff]

Aside from political parties, in general regulating guns is an urban vs. rural issue, and always has been since the early 1900's.

So now simply look at the states or cities that are dominated by urban voters, and it should be clear why some states have strict (but mostly feel-good), ineffective gun control laws, while in states where this isn't true don't.

A glance at a political map of the USA shows this clearly when you look at the location of red states (Republican) vs. blue states (Democratic).

 

[orpington]

Old Fuff. I agree with this. The trouble is, where all the good jobs are tend to be in blue states and I am not nearly old enough to retire!

 

[Old Fuff]

For most folks I think you are right. My intention was to explain the situation, not justify it.

That said, I notice that a lot of industry is moving out from where they are, mostly because of high costs and taxes. I would suggest that you look around for opportunities, which is a lot different then just moving with no prospects.

 

[Red Wind]

I agree with your thoughts, Right on the money, Old Fuff,

Now, remember those big hogs and and OC.

 

[JeeperCreeper]

Here's my concern with PA other than the political proposal:

Isn't "registation" illegal in PA, yet if you get pulled over, police in PA run your gun through the state police database.

FROM PAFOA:

In fact in Pennsylvania it is actually illegal for any government or police agency to keep a registry of firearms per 18 Pa.C.S. § 6111.4 (Registration of firearms). If you legally possess bring your firearms into the Pennsylvania or come into possession of the firearms legally, no further action is required.

It should be noted however that all transfers of handguns in Pennsylvania are required to go through the Pennsylvania Instant Check System (PICS) and as such the Pennsylvania State Police keep a "Sales Database" of all handguns purchased within the Commonwealth. While almost any casual observer can see that this database clearly violates the spirit of 18 Pa.C.S. § 6111.4 (Registration of firearms), in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court agreed with the Pennsylvania State Police that because the database is not a complete record of all handgun ownership (as people bringing handguns into the state do not have to register them), it does not.

Yet, I have alot of cop buddies (yes, I know, doesn't make them law experts, but they are the first line in legal action), who are firearm enthusiasts, always talking about "registered handguns"... which I argue with them about. But, they always tell me how they run the numbers and see who the gun "belongs" to.

Edit: Just goes to show technicalities and abuse of power by the state. Just because it says something in the books, doesn't mean its real life.

 

[dogrunner]

Pennsylvania is kinda unique in that you've Philadelphia on one end, Pittsburg on the other and Alabama in between!

The ZERO passage chance is indeed most accurate!

 

[P5 Guy]

New Democrat governor, it'll be in like Flynn.

 

[bigleverman]

New Democrat governor, it'll be in like Flynn.

No way, a large portion of the state is "red" and so state congress reflecs this. It wouldnt make it past the house

 

[Stargazer65]

Quote:
Originally Posted by orpington
I think the same thing is being proposed in Connecticut. The trouble is, up there, it might actually pass. Am I correct in thinking this? Your thoughts?

My thoughts are, even in Connecticut ,it will gain no traction.

I'm not sure. A few years ago, I never thought they would pass a 10 round magazine limit, because it kept getting brought up and shot down. But now we have it because the anti gun people seized the opportunity while the iron was still hot and they had a very radical state government.

This is being proposed by the Governor's Newtown council. I'm sure somebody will draft a bill to include it. It probably will get shot down at this stage because to get full registration, that's going to include people like an 84 year old widow I know who inherited her late husband's deer rifle and old 20 gauge that he used for shooting rabbits. I could see a watered down bill getting passed that would include full handgun registration or other nonsense. I think they might have the bills ready while they wait for the next shooting tragedy to give them momentum.

I would definitely be wary in PA, because you have a similar problem as in NY and CT to a lesser degree. You may think PA is pro gun, but try walking around Philadelphia with a sidearm. There is a large population of antis in the urban areas that are out of touch with the rest of the state and sometimes they ending making the decisions for everyone. Wait until some nut with a gun shoots up a bunch of kids in a school in PA, you'll be shocked at what things can get passed after something like that.

 

[Red Wind]

I'm not sure. A few years ago, I never thought they would pass a 10 round magazine limit, because it kept getting brought up and shot down. But now we have it because the anti gun people seized the opportunity while the iron was still hot and they had a very radical state government.

This is being proposed by the Governor's Newtown council. I'm sure somebody will draft a bill to include it. It probably will get shot down at this stage because to get full registration, that's going to include people like an 84 year old widow I know who inherited her late husband's deer rifle and old 20 gauge that he used for shooting rabbits. I could see a watered down bill getting passed that would include full handgun registration or other nonsense. I think they might have the bills ready while they wait for the next shooting tragedy to give them momentum.

I would definitely be wary in PA, because you have a similar problem as in NY and CT to a lesser degree. You may think PA is pro gun, but try walking around Philadelphia with a sidearm. There is a large population of antis in the urban areas that are out of touch with the rest of the state and sometimes they ending making the decisions for everyone. Wait until some nut with a gun shoots up a bunch of kids in a school in PA, you'll be shocked at what things can get passed after something like that.

You could be correct in Connecticut, if all the planets align for the Socialists.
In Pennsylvania it is much less likely to occur, with their more conservative Legislature.

However, in today's wimpish soccer Mom society, I'd never go to Vegas on any political proposition. These people know nothing of the Constitution and what made this country great.

Buried in Cosmopolitan and TMZ, they are.