People Who Should Not Carry

[DustyGmt]

I understand an accident can happen, but WTH??? I don't even know what an apple air tag is but the only thing that belongs in your trigger guard is your finger when you are firing the gun or maintenence, etc...


Man Puts Keys Into Pocket w/ Unholstered Gun...Guess What Happened Next?
https://www.usacarry.com/unholstered-gun-pocket-keys/


This jackwagon put some type of keychain in his trigger guard and was carrying his gun unholstered in the pocket. If you can afford a gun, you can probably afford a $10 uncle Mike's to store your gun properly on your person, what does this guy do, go home and hang his gun up on the key rack at the front door by the coats when he finishes his shift? And his main takeaway from this is #NeverCarryAtWork..... You don't even really have to be that smart to "carry" a gun properly and the 4 rules will save you and others from negligent discharge 100% of the time.

There are some people who really shouldn't be carrying guns and most of them isn't even due to bad temperament or aggression, but just complete and total ignorance, recklessness and stupidity. It was in another thread somebody just mentioned the "slob hunters" mentality of "if it's brown it's down" and the absolutely horrific reality that there are other hunters in the woods that will shoot at noise. If I was hunting with somebody and they did this, I'm almost certain there would be a physical reaction and the problem is, these people pass this garbage on down through the generations.

I know of a few special kinds of idiots that shouldn't carry or own guns and unfortunately I've seen some really poor gun handling violations from people who I respect and considered to be competent. Don't point a gun at somebody or run a key chain through your trigger guards seem like a given though.

I've stopped a few Darwin awards from being handed out in the past and I'm sure some of you guys have too, as well as seen some really astonishingly stupid gun stuff go down.....

 

[Offhand McFlan]

Agreed, on all points!

It reminds me of the time a young guy I worked with was hosing down our shop. I had just come back from lunch and walked in our door, and saw our female clerk standing there covered from head to toe with water looking like she had just climbed out of a swimming pool. She was so shocked she didn't even have an expression yet. And the young guy was just standing there with the hose in his hand next to a piece of equipment staring at her! Apparently he went off Target and ended up drenching the poor woman. The funniest part of this is that the very next day he was going to apply for his concealed carry permit!!!!

Another time I briefly visited him at his home so he could show me his new 380. He kept it right in his top drawer on the surface with several mags. He didn't even bother to close the door when he had a 4-year-old running around. Interestingly I had gone to the range with him several times and I could not really complain much about his safety protocols there.

Some friends of mine also claimed that a few times when they knocked on his door he came to the door open carrying in the house with the four-year-old running around. Therefore the 4-year-old knew all about the weapon and would probably become curious about it quickly. I just hope that he was prepared for that and that the little boy had some kind of inherent common sense of his own.... But looking at his dad I just don't know!

Anyway I just don't hang with that dude anymore. I told him what I thought about it and I hope he adjusted his protocols accordingly.

 

[lightman]

We all probably have a friend that shouldn't be around guns! Or to reload! Or to even drive! Bless their hearts, life for them has to be tough!

 

[Smaug]

Ignorance is the big one. The only thing worse is willful ignorance, but either one can let you shoot yourself.

It happens when someone gets a gun with no previous experience and is instructed in 20 seconds: "Here's how you load it, *click-click-click* then just pull the trigger." → "OK, got it." If a person doesn't think about things more than a couple seconds, they're going to learn the hard way.

My mom is a retired schoolteacher; 5th grade. She was followed home from the grocery store in what used to be an OK neighborhood, but it is changing. The scum from the south side of Chicago is spilling down into the south suburbs. Anyway, these two guys followed her home from the grocery store, then one snuck around beside the house and forced their way into the kitchen behind her, and demanded her purse. She said: "No, you can't have it!" He knocked her down and took it, and ran out the door. She chased the guy around the corner and saw him get into the getaway car. She called the police, gave them the description of the one guy and the car and they wound up getting them later.

After that, she decided she would buy a gun. I started coaching her. She applied for the FOID that's required in IL and got it. I told her we would need to go shooting once a month or so, talked about locking it up properly, etc. She thought about it awhile, and decided to have her FOID canceled for fear that it would be leaked out who had them, and when they found out she was a teacher, she would get in trouble. She also decided she doesn't have the guts to shoot someone; especially if it was one of her former students! She never bought the gun, she had her FOID canceled. I bought her pepper spray instead, and I don't have a ton of confidence she would use that properly either.

Also, my brother, who is bipolar, lives with her and now she's got dementia, so there's no way she should have a gun. She should just move somewhere safer.

This is not in the spirit of the OP, but just an example that there are a LOT of people who shouldn't have a gun, not just idiots.

 

[earlthegoat2]

You can fix stupid but unfortunately our society has decided the processes for fixing it are not proper anymore.

They have reaped what they have sown and are apparently OK with it. All of us, the majority likely, are the ones who feel the consequences.

The many are always punished because of the actions of the few.

 

[entropy]

Yup, I've told this one before: I have a BIL that wanted to go shooting with me at the area on the family farm I shot at. (Long since sold ) We're shooting, he had a SAR-9. He turned to me to talk, and was pointing it at me, finger on the trigger, safety off! I pushed the muzzle away from me and told him to watch where he was pointing it, he laughed it off. Ten minutes later he did it again!! I then told him in no uncertain terms that if he did it again, he would be starting down the bore of my 1911. I started to pack up, left and his requests to go shooting again fell on deaf ears after that. He even tried asking through his wife, (I worked with her at the time, and SWMBO is her sister) and she really wanted me to say yes to get him out of the house. I told her why I wouldn't, and then she understood.
Ironically, they met in the Army, and he was an Armorer, he repaired and maintained the 20mm chin guns on Cobras.

 

[The_Quartermaster]

lol, wow.

 

[redneck2]

I suggest you never work the counter at a LGS. You run into these types on a routine basis

while I’m as big a 2A supporter as there is, some people are incapable of safely handling a firearm

 

[herrwalther]

I am guilty of putting a lens cleaning cloth in my pocket with a holstered firearm. It does help break up the outline some and it cleans my glasses. But keys and an air tag? In this case it is painful to be stupid.

 

[entropy]

I suggest you never work the counter at a LGS. You run into these types on a routine basis

while I’m as big a 2A supporter as there is, some people are incapable of safely handling a firearm

BTDT, too, as well as the smithing bench.

 

[FL-NC]

Guns are 1 of many things a person can injure or kill themselves or others with when that person doesn't know what he/she is doing. Remember that many inherently dangerous items that are accessible to anyone are not even regulated- power tools, off road vehicles, welding equipment, tools and components for electrical work, various hazardous materials like paints, solvents, fuels, lubricants, adhesives, and so on. Some people can't even be left unsupervised in a kitchen due to fire hazards.

 

[Blue Jays]

Not so sure we should be posting this on a pro-RKBA website and doing the work of gungrabbers for them.

 

[Smaug]

I am guilty of putting a lens cleaning cloth in my pocket with a holstered firearm. It does help break up the outline some and it cleans my glasses. But keys and an air tag? In this case it is painful to be stupid.

Keys are maybe the worst thing to put in a pocket with anything else. At best, they just scratch the heck out of it.

One time in high school a buddy of mine had a NiCd battery pack from an R/C car in his pocket. He dropped the keys in with it, which shorted it out. The battery wires got so hot he had to drop his drawers right in the crowded hallway.

Not so sure we should be posting this on a pro-RKBA website and doing the work of gungrabbers for them.

Well, we should make it educational, and not just saying how stupid people are. I'm training my wife now, and I had to put her on pause for a bit for the finger-on-trigger issue, and remind her often not to put the gun down pointed sideways at the next stall. It takes some time to develop good habits.

 

[Plan2Live]

This is why I support concealed carry permits with required training. Requiring training at least provides an opportunity for people wanting to carry concealed to hear about things like the four safety rules, safe storage, proper holstering, local, state and federal rules pertaining to firearms and the use of force, etc. My personal experience as a trainer (former trainer) was very few people seek out training beyond what is required to obtain a permit.

 

[The_Quartermaster]

Required training could and can be weaponized against us. And I am getting tired of losing ground despite a few wins that some states have now done workarounds with.

 

[trackskippy]

Yea, required training is just more restrictions on your rights, and a bad thing.

If you choose to carry a gun, its your responsibility to get the necessary training and skills to do so, or, for whatever it is you choose to do for that matter. More and more, people seem to want to take less and less responsibility for pretty much everything, especially if something "they" do, goes wrong.

While I think everyone who is capable should carry a gun if they choose to, but just thinking about how many people just bought guns in a panic in the past couple of years, and if they were lucky, might have got a box of ammo to go with it, and then just loaded it up and stuck in their pocket and considered themselves "armed and prepared", is actually a pretty scary thought.

Its bad enough you have to worry about the bad guys, now you have to worry about friendly fire too. And "I didnt mean too, its not my fault" aint gonna cut it.

 

[AlexanderA]

The issue is not that some people should not have guns. We all know people that should not. They're not necessarily bad people, just klutzes.

The real issue is how do we weed out the people that should not have the guns. If we rely on self-disqualification, that won't work, because the klutzes often aren't aware of their own limitations.

So that brings us back to some form of state licensing or certification, which of course is anathema to the RKBA. Clearly, there's a very difficult dilemma here.

 

[entropy]

Peer pressure.

 

[trackskippy]

As bad as the klutzes might be, the government is exponentially worse, as has clearly been shown. We are finally starting to see some relief here, and we dont need to give them even more power.

Hows this for a wild idea, you actually enforce the laws and there actually are consequences, and you are responsible for your actions? Screw up, and its on you. As it should be.

 

[The_Quartermaster]

You know just how many people pass a driver's test and still decide to drive reckless, willingly distracted, cutting corners into opposing lanes, won't stop and yield to those doing the apexing at stop signs, roll through or not even give any attempt to stop at stop signs or yield at traffic circles to right of way, and speeding?

Now go look up those injuries and deaths and then compare it to being shot using ND's, AD's, and homicides.

Not even close.

 

[freakinout]

Uh.... Well this is among the many reasons all my pistols have at least one holster, and are always holstered.

Moms been carring a 9mm for a decade+ in her purse and no **** ups since and she's not the best of shooters

 

[Smaug]

Required training could and can be weaponized against us. And I am getting tired of losing ground despite a few wins that some states have now done workarounds with.

Yea, required training is just more restrictions on your rights, and a bad thing.

If you choose to carry a gun, its your responsibility to get the necessary training and skills to do so, or, for whatever it is you choose to do for that matter. More and more, people seem to want to take less and less responsibility for pretty much everything, especially if something "they" do, goes wrong.

While I think everyone who is capable should carry a gun if they choose to, but just thinking about how many people just bought guns in a panic in the past couple of years, and if they were lucky, might have got a box of ammo to go with it, and then just loaded it up and stuck in their pocket and considered themselves "armed and prepared", is actually a pretty scary thought.

Its bad enough you have to worry about the bad guys, now you have to worry about friendly fire too. And "I didnt mean too, its not my fault" aint gonna cut it.

Well, it's easy to say that while thinking of our 2A rights, but how about when someone in your family is killed by some ignoramus who didn't think he needed training? At that point, it doesn't MATTER that it was his fault, because your family has been killed.

 

[Insignificant bill]

This is why I support concealed carry permits with required training. Requiring training at least provides an opportunity for people wanting to carry concealed to hear about things like the four safety rules, safe storage, proper holstering, local, state and federal rules pertaining to firearms and the use of force, etc. My personal experience as a trainer (former trainer) was very few people seek out training beyond what is required to obtain a permit.

Well 25 states have permitless carry and it is working just fine.

 

[The_Quartermaster]

Well, it's easy to say that while thinking of our 2A rights, but how about when someone in your family is killed by some ignoramus who didn't think he needed training? At that point, it doesn't MATTER that it was his fault, because your family has been killed.

The odds are more in favor of being killed by a bad driver than that, and they are also trained and licensed. They were all taught better, yet still did it. So I'm having trouble believing your argument there. Meanwhile when we gave the anti's an inch, they pulled in a mile and never gave ground unless a court of law ordered then to do so and even then they worked around it as much as they could. If you think that they wouldn't use a fuzzy and warm feel good thing to be used against us, then think again.

So I will say again, I am getting tired of losing grounds. Your argument is exactly what the Left would and has used by appeals to emotion, a fallacy argument.

 

[Smaug]

Well 25 states have permitless carry and it is working just fine.

I tell you what: some of the people I see in the local gun shop buying small pistols makes me glad our state has training requirements. It's not onerous; just one four-hour class. It's the stuff I took upon myself to learn when I got my first pistol 24 years ago, but which a lot of people these days wouldn't if they're not forced to.