Perfect 9mm pistol

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The "perfect" 9mm? Well I have to admit I love the 9mm round and have owned and\or shot a number or them including... Glock 17, 19, 34, BHP, Sig P226, Beretta 92, SA XD Service, S&W M&P but I have to say, I have not found any of them to be "perfect" but some are clearly better then others.

I hate DA\SA guns so that rules out the Sigs, CZ's, etc. I'm most accurate with true SA guns like my FN HP but for CCW, home defense, I actually prefer quasi-DA guns like the Glock and M&P

I can see why you would select a G17. They are great guns with a lot going for them. I've had 2 (one of which was my first handgun ever) and they have always been 100% reliable for me. My bedside gun is a G17 and my SHTF and last handgun I would ever part with is that same G17. I love how reliable they are, I love how easy they are to detail strip and how easy they are to work on. I love how cheap and easily available parts and magazines are for them. All in all, it is the best overall 9mm for defensive purposes I've found for me so far.

That said, I do not find it to be perfect and I would need to change a number of things about it before I could even come close to calling it "perfect"
 
What if you had 9mm gun that did everything a G17 did, had a more ergonomic grip, and was pocket-sized (5.8" long)? Wouldn't that be the more nearly perfect 9mm gun?
 
I think you would first have to define perfect for what purpose? The perfect CCW gun is not going to be the perfect range gun
 
I believe a CZ2075 would fit me fairly well, if I were to ever find one. However, the very few places that sell guns around my area either don't sell CZs at all, or they only have CZ75's.

Another issue that concerns me with both CZs and Springfields is this: Both of these weapons are manufactured in areas of the world that could become very unstable in the future. I feel that Austria is probably more secure (Glocks), and of course, US guns like S&W. I think Brazil (Taurus) will likely be more secure in the future than former Soviet states. I can only own one gun, I have very little money, and I'm a bit wary of my only weapon being from an area where we might not possibly be able to get parts and accessories for it one day.

Probably overreaction on my part, but nonetheless.

Also, when I price magazines for any of the main handguns, Glock magazines are always by far the least expensive. Even Taurus mags cost $10 or more than Glock mags.

My thing with Glock is not having a safety or a decocker. I suppose using a Saf-T Bloc would solve that issue.
 
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Most any matching Luger with the meremost traces of rifling left in its barrel will unload its magazine into a 50mm bullseye at 50 meters, if the shooter does his part. A SIG P210 will do likewise. So will a well-built M1911. A Glock would be hard pressed to do half as well.
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That's an interesting theory.

I'd love to see some data on that.

In any case, its largely irrelevant. Most people I know and most people on
this board (guess) can't sink a whole magazine (~10 shots) into a 2" bull at 165 feet. Also, most gun battles occur at ranges under 20 yards. If you
need to reach out further than that, a handgun is 2nd best.

I seriously doubt there are significant accuracy differences between the
G19 and its common 9mm contemporaries at realistic ranges between
20-30 yards, conditions being equal.
 
I'd love to see some data on that.
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Look into the results of Swiss service pistol competitions.
I seriously doubt there are significant accuracy differences between the
G19 and its common 9mm contemporaries at realistic ranges between
20-30 yards, conditions being equal.
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Look at the 2004 Visier test results for centerfire target pistols in 9mm Para and .45 ACP. Please note low placements of Glock target guns. Note also that SIG P210-6 is the only service spec sidearm capable of scoring on par with bullseye guns.
 
Michael says, 'Maybe a Glock is "plenty accurate" for your intended use. However, it is nowhere near accurate enough for mine. To be sure, I cannot vouch for its own intentions in the matter.'

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Ah ha! Now you've got me right where I want you! :D

--Ray
 
9mm

I've owned several 9mm's, S&W's & HI Powers but never was able to keep them for one reason or another. I have had a Colt Combat Commander in 9mm now for about a year and I'm pleased with it. It functions good, shoots good and I love a 1911. Try out several diffrent ones and see what you like best and go with that.

J.B.
 
Michael also says: "Look at the 2004 Visier test results for centerfire target pistols in 9mm Para and .45 ACP. Please note low placements of Glock target guns. Note also that SIG P210-6 is the only service spec sidearm capable of scoring on par with bullseye guns."

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Analogy:

Yes, yes, and a Honda Civic won't match a Porsche on the track or the skid pad tests, but it will get you to your parking space, for all real-world purposes, just as accurately, and at 1/4 the cost, even in sub zero weather! Admitedly, the Porsche guy will look cooler getting there, and probably get the office babe too! ;)

Point is, a G17 or G19, in real-world results, will ruin a bad guys day just as well as your high-end 9 mms will, even if they've been neglected for a thousand rounds. Glocks work--and well enough to solve most problems.

--Ray
 
Glocks- Smooshy trigger. Ugly with no finesse. The Big Mac of the pistol world.

HK's plastic stuff- See above.

S&W metal-framed autos- Safety/decocker's in the wrong place, bad triggers, high bore axis.

S&W Sigma- Do I even need to go there?

CZ 75- Bad triggers.

CZ 85- Early variants had a nasty habit of jamming by locking the slide open with rounds still in the magazine. Triggers need work.

SIG- DA/SA semi autos. Weak finish that allows rust. High bore axis.

Walther P99- Boring. Bad trigger.

Taurus- Yeah, whatever.

HK P7- Needs to be re-finished. Heavy for it's size. 1980's tech that missed out on the revolution in ergonomics. Early versions get uncomfortably hot after only a couple of magazines.

Beretta 92 Series- DA/SA. Excessively heavy (But crisp, at least) trigger. Large. Safety is on the slide, not the frame, where the Gods intended them to be.

SIG P210- My Holy Grail of 9mm handguns. As soon as I actually get a chance to shoot one, I'll find something that sucks about it. That said, the cost is prohibitive enough that I would have a hard time carrying one or keeping it as a defensive weapon. Such a fine piece of machinery should never have to spend time in a police evidence locker.

Various STI/SVI 9mm Race Guns- Worth considering, but will not be perfect.

Steyr- Nice pistols, if you can find them. Saddled with too many lawyer-lovin' safety devices. Squishy trigger.

Kahr- Low capacity. DA only trigger. Expensive magazines. Not something you'd use to blast through two or three hundred rounds.
 
lmao @ justin! "taurus, whatever." I agree!
anyways, I can draw and fire 2 shots into a paper plate at 4 yards without using the sight on my g-17. I can do this rather fast from a fobus paddle holster. I can also do it with my g-27, which is my daily ccw. will they be touching? heck no! they will be several inches apart. if put into a human torso, they will do the job nicely.
 
I can draw and fire 2 shots into a paper plate at 4 yards without using the sight on my g-17. I can do this rather fast from a fobus paddle holster. I can also do it with my g-27, which is my daily ccw. will they be touching? heck no! they will be several inches apart. if put into a human torso, they will do the job nicely.
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Drawing and firing a handgun at less than 7 yards is an exercise that bears little relevance to practical self-defense. Under the circumstances, the shooter would do well to file down the front sight.
 
Justin wrote:
CZ 85- Early variants had a nasty habit of jamming by locking the slide open with rounds still in the magazine. Triggers need work.
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Actually, I'm having this exact problem with my CZ75B. Hopefully, I can get it corrected soon, but it's not perfect yet.
 
michael, I have to disagree! if in a defensive situation,and you need to shoot a pistol at a target of more than 7 yards, you should be shooting while seeking cover. If you stand still in the weaver position, and aim while under fire at a target that is 50 yards away, then you are a target.
 
i do have to say i will carry a ravin .25 , or a jennings .22 before i waste my time on any glock .
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Did they make a new and improved Raven that I have not heard about?:confused: I feel the CZ and Glock are both fine handguns.
 
Actually, I'm having this exact problem with my CZ75B. Hopefully, I can get it corrected soon, but it's not perfect yet.
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Mine magically stopped malfing when I started loading my own ammunition.

Until then, I had already changed mag springs and followers, recoil springs, and had taken a dremel tool to the slide stop and removed a large amount of material.

It was totally awesome that the guy I bought the pistol from failed to mention this problem, but, c'est la vie.
 
if in a defensive situation,and you need to shoot a pistol at a target of more than 7 yards, you should be shooting while seeking cover. If you stand still in the weaver position, and aim while under fire at a target that is 50 yards away, then you are a target.
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You have no legitimate business shooting at anyone unless you are a target. On the other hand, at ranges less than 7 yards you are demonstrably better off with a knife or a cudgel, as witness the Tueller Drill.
 
Until then, I had already changed mag springs and followers, recoil springs, and had taken a dremel tool to the slide stop and removed a large amount of material.
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Unlike Browning pattern automatics such as the M1911, the GP35, and the P210, the CZ75 design used the slide stop as a load-bearing and shock-absorbing element at the end of its short recoil action. Any structural modifications in that area are likely to make it unsafe. Please have your handgun inspected by a competent gunsmith.
 
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