Perfect 9mm pistol

[Gun Slinger]

I have owned a lot of 9mm's and I believe that the Glock 17 is truly the best. 100% reliability, accuracy, and it's 1/2 the price of a Sig or HK.

I agree with you completely. The 17 is the best and the 19 follows as a very close 'second place' to the 17.

Add to this the fact that parts are easily and inexpensively obtainable for the Glock and can be replaced with little effort whereas other makes (like the SA XD's, S&W's etc.) cannot be so inexpensively/easily maintained. If the other manufacturers could match the outstanding durability as well as the serviceability of the Glock platform, I might consider owning them, but not until then.

Excellent, long-term durability, simple operation, inexpensive and uncomplicated maintenance and parts make the Glock the most cost-effective pistol to be had. Guess that's why they are such a strong performer in the police service weapon market.

GS

 

[Gun Slinger]

I would call that "better". Maybe the kids these days use a different word for it, but when a tool is both less expensive and easier to suit to my purpose than the alternatives, I do tend to select it over the alternatives.

I think that your definition of "better" as being "less expensive and easier to suit to my purpose" is a perfect definition for what would constitute a better pistol. Glocks certainly fit that definition better than the other makes presently on the market.

GS

 

[SDDL-UP]

Michael Zeleny,

Thanks for the links. the first one only showed an animated STI, and opaque magazine, the second I didn't have permission to access at all.

I'm not saying you are wrong and I'm not trying to be confrontational here, I have as much to learn as anybody, but if the 1911 isn't hard on slide stops why do people break those all the time?

There are many CZ shooters that NEVER replace slide stops, tens of thousands of rounds shot through their guns. Some competative shooters only replace them annually, and even then it's "just in case". Some of these people probably shoot 30,000 rounds a year, maybe more.

I have heard of some slide stop holes in the frame that were apparently out of spec and this caused premature slide stop failure, but 1,500 to 3,000 rounds is ridiculous! I've never heard of that interval for any gun, and it is unacceptable - for any gun!

I have a 1911, a browning Hi-Power and a CZ-75, I guess I'll have to take them apart and have a look tonight. I just don't see how a slide stop could be that much of a less stressed part in a 1911, especially since people break 1911 slide stops all the time.

 

[MICHAEL T]

Browning if a hi cap 9mm Colt Commander or a 3913S&W if single stack carry.

 

[Michael Zeleny]

Thanks for the links. the first one only showed an animated STI, and opaque magazine, the second I didn't have permission to access at all.

In the first link, you have to play with transparency settings of various components. In the second instance, you should go to gunmanuals.ch, choose Handbücher, then Faustfeuerwaffen, then Pistolen, then SIG P210 Anleitung für den Waffenmechaniker.

I'm not saying you are wrong and I'm not trying to be confrontational here, I have as much to learn as anybody, but if the 1911 isn't hard on slide stops why do people break those all the time?

Things break for any reason. I am pointing out that the Koucky brothers are responsible for a difference in design that stresses the slide stop not only with the inertia of dropping and raising the barrel, but also with the entire recoil momentum of the barrel and slide assembly.

 

[FRT007]

9mm for extreme durability/reliability: Glock 17/19.

The 9mm that makes me feel good: SIG P228 w/Nill grips.

 

[DorGunR]

I carried this BHP in Nam and I'm still here.........nuff said?

 

[Blue Brick]

Ruger P-89 or P-95

 

[GeorgiaGlocker]

A Glock 23/19 or a 26. I could care less about looks. What counts is when I pull the trigger.

 

[mdao]

Drawing and firing a handgun at less than 7 yards is an exercise that bears little relevance to practical self-defense. Under the circumstances, the shooter would do well to file down the front sight

Given that practically all CCW self defense shootings happen at a distance well within 7 yards, I find this statement a bit hard to believe.

Because unlike a knife or a stick, a bullet fired from a service-type handgun will not stop a determined assailant short of a CNS hit.

Drawing a knife/stick that is suitable as a defensive weapon doesn't take significantly less time than drawing and putting shots on target with a pistol. Fixed blades have the same concealment and draw issues, while folders have the lock to deal with. Not to mention that without a CNS hit, a knife/stick won't disable a determined assailant before he can do some serious damage either.

And given the way that the majority of crime happens in America, the deranged psycho knife killer who wants to hurt you at any cost to himself is fairly rare. The added "intimidation" factor from a handgun may very well prevent a lot of grief with far more common mugger/rapist criminal types.

 

[stevereno1]

you carried a 9mm in 'nam?

 

[stevereno1]

cz feels real comfy in the hand, I like the way that the slide fits the barell, and I hear a lot of cz fans put it simply, cz-75. here comes the heat. A glock fires in the most extreme conditions, where seldom pistols could survive, "and a cz ain't one of them', and is plenty accurate. Can it fire 1/2 moa at 50 yards? heck no! It is a defense gun plain and simple. It is a proper handgun for most any carry situation, and will group pretty tight at 7 yards, and just don't jam. that's just my stinky opinion.

 

[Michael Zeleny]

Drawing and firing a handgun at less than 7 yards is an exercise that bears little relevance to practical self-defense. Under the circumstances, the shooter would do well to file down the front sight

Given that practically all CCW self defense shootings happen at a distance well within 7 yards, I find this statement a bit hard to believe.

Look up the Tueller drill.

Because unlike a knife or a stick, a bullet fired from a service-type handgun will not stop a determined assailant short of a CNS hit.

Drawing a knife/stick that is suitable as a defensive weapon doesn't take significantly less time than drawing and putting shots on target with a pistol. Fixed blades have the same concealment and draw issues, while folders have the lock to deal with. Not to mention that without a CNS hit, a knife/stick won't disable a determined assailant before he can do some serious damage either.

Cuts, punctures, and strikes can disable the most determined assailant in ways unavailable with a handgun, short of a CNS hit. No one fights with shattered ankles or spilled guts.

And given the way that the majority of crime happens in America, the deranged psycho knife killer who wants to hurt you at any cost to himself is fairly rare. The added "intimidation" factor from a handgun may very well prevent a lot of grief with far more common mugger/rapist criminal types.

In most defensive scenarios, armed intimidation is either illegal or ineffectual. Brandishing a weapon is never a good idea. "When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."

 

[atomd]

Look up the Tueller drill.

It's not very realistic at all and there are hundreds of variables that weren't included. It proved what? Ok...someone charging at me with a knife from 21 ft away is a threat and I would be in a danger zone. Yeah...I could have figured that out on my own. I'll take the gun please.

 

[hk4rce]

Hello all. New guy here. I've owned Glocks before, but I think their triggers are horrid, and I don't like handguns without decockers or hammer safeties.

HK's for me are by far the best choice, after which, I'd take Sigs, CZs, and BHPs.

 

[Michael Zeleny]

I'll take the gun please.

It need not be an exclusive choice.

 

[bhp9mm]

the bhp and glock 19 and ruger p89 the high power shoots the best for me the all shoot good and none have ever jamed.

 

[boogalou]

Drawing a knife/stick that is suitable as a defensive weapon doesn't take significantly less time than drawing and putting shots on target with a pistol. Fixed blades have the same concealment and draw issues, while folders have the lock to deal with. Not to mention that without a CNS hit, a knife/stick won't disable a determined assailant before he can do some serious damage either.

I believe you're also assuming that the attacker is going to keep his knife concealed before he attacks you and that you won't be surprised. In this situation situational awareness is a better defensive ploy then any handgun you carry.

 

[atomd]

I'll take the gun please.

Quote:It need not be an exclusive choice.

True. So who has the advantage if this is involved?

 

[Michael Zeleny]

So who has the advantage if this is involved?

A competent psychiatrist.

 

[armoredman]

2) Which is why Glock's the leading Military and Police issued handgun on the planet! Uh huh, makes sense!

Hmmm....

CZ 75 B is used by more Governments, Militaries, Police and Security agencies than any other pistol in the world.

Your opinion versus company statistics, who have to abide by truth in advertising laws. Hmm. I believe Glocks are more prevelant in police hands in the USA due to the fact that Glock practically gives the things away to police departments. I have worked an indoor range, an outdoor range, and have qualified with the G-19 and G17 every year for six years with my Dept, scoring Expert or Distiguished Expert. THEY BREAK LIKE ANY OTHER SIDEARM. I have PERSONALLY had two fail ON THE RANGE. There is NO GLOCK PERFECTION. They are well built, robust sidearms, with serious safety handicaps for partially trained or untrained shooters. Using my personal experiances as a statistical base, (laughably small sampling, but everyone here does the same thing.), Glocks are 200% more likely to fail as any CZ built.
Buy what works for you, fits your hand, is 100% reliable for YOU. Every company builds a lemon, and anything built by man WILL fail, Glocks and CZs included. That is why we invented the Back Up Gun.

 

[rjk2475]

or the sig

 

[Maximum1]

Quote: "If the other manufacturers could match the outstanding durability as well as the serviceability of the Glock platform, I might consider owning them, but not until then."

Excellent, long-term durability, simple operation, inexpensive and uncomplicated maintenance and parts make the Glock the most cost-effective pistol to be had. Guess that's why they are such a strong performer in the police service weapon market.


If the other manufacturers could match the outstanding durability????
The XD Torture Test speaks for itself. BTW, I don't recall seeing the same for a GlocK?
http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.php



BTW, take down and cleaning of a Springfield XD is FAR SUPERIOR to that of the Glock...Period.

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

This thread's topic from the original poster is "Perfect 9mm Pistol". Let's get back on topic and take the tactics and other tangential conversation to PM's or another thread in the appropriate section of the site.

Thank you.

 

[Curare]

Personally: P7M8 vs. G17

Both great in their own way.