Performance Center 10mm FTF

[Gary H]

I’ve been following this issue in that I have an interest in this handgun. I thought that given the numerous reports of failure to feed, especially with heavier bullets, S&W would be interested in fixing whatever issue is causing this issue. Individuals have sent in their gun for repair and had it returned with polished feed ramps, but with the problem persisting. Others have used extra strength magazine, or/and recoil springs. Some have suggested modifying the extractor. I sent an Email to S&W, expecting a serious response and here is what I got in return:

”Thank you for contacting Smith & Wesson and for your support. To avoid any failure to feed issues it is important when loading the magazine to load a few rounds and then smack the magazine This ensures the rounds are seated properly. In our experience most issues we have seen with the failure to feed are caused by improper loading of the magazine.“

Others report that the help desks responded by telling them to shoot lighter bullets. Now, I’ve been happy with their 9mm products, but will someone rely upon a “smack” of the magazine prior to hiking through bear country?

 

[Reinz]

That sounds like a pretty sorry fix.

If it were mine and failed anytime during a least a few hundred Smacked rounds I’d send it back.

 

[Gary H]

That sounds like a pretty sorry fix.

If it were mine and failed anytime during a least a few hundred Smacked rounds I’d send it back.

Owners have sent it back to S&W for repair. I have read that FTF continued after repair. This should not be a surprise when they don’t admit to a FTF problem.

 

[JTQ]

”Thank you for contacting Smith & Wesson and for your support. To avoid any failure to feed issues it is important when loading the magazine to load a few rounds and then smack the magazine This ensures the rounds are seated properly. In our experience most issues we have seen with the failure to feed are caused by improper loading of the magazine.“

This is common practice with an auto pistol.

Others report that the help desks responded by telling them to shoot lighter bullets. Now, I’ve been happy with their 9mm products, but will someone rely upon a “smack” of the magazine prior to hiking through bear country?

What weight bullets are you trying to shoot? Typical 10mm rounds would be in the 180gr to 200gr range.

 

[Gary H]

The FTF reports that I’ve seen have been with 180gr, but I’m sure that I haven’t read all FTF threads.

 

[ontarget]

I smack every single mag I load on the heel of my hand to seat the rounds to the back of the mag. That's what they taught us in the Corps.
Does it help? I don't know. I've never had a FTF problem with any of my guns. Here and there sure but never a problem.

 

[sparkyv]

This, and similar reports of ammo feeding issues in the 10mm M&P is why I went with the less desireable but reliable XDM-10.

Sadly, SIG has been no better in responses to similar issues in the XTEN.

 

[Reinz]

I was very pleasantly surprised by my XD 10!

I was kind of expecting ho hum to ok, but it ranks up there as my #2 or 3 favorite ten.

I quit buying tens due hand and wrist issues, so I’m glad I didn’t buy the Sig 320 or M&P.

I’ll probably just stick with the Sig Legion, Witness, and XD.

 

[Gary H]

I find it strange that reliable YouTube channels and multiple forums find fault with this gun and S&W does nothing to correct the issue. Perhaps the issue is more basic than needing a stiffer magazine, or recoil spring. I doubt that this gun will sell in sufficient quantity to warrant after market magazines, so we are left with purchasing another manufacturers product, or hoping that a spring change will work. I’ve been looking at recoil springs and I can find heavy springs for the 4.6” 10mm/45acp, but not for a full size gun. So, not sure where people are finding the captured 24# recoil assembly, or 24# spring and guide rod.

 

[lovethosesooners]

I’ve seen recent youtube vids where they’ve had the same results as mine, which is EXCELLENT.

I’ve only put 150 rounds though it, but running Remington umc 180 grain and Federal 200 grain HST and it’s been perfect.

Accurate, great grip, trigger, and the compensator makes it seem like firing a 9mm.

I had a Springfield xdm with the 5” barrel before that had much more recoil..I sold it and got this and couldn’t be happier with it.

As we all know and do understand, people that have problems will of course be irritated and talk about it, most often when expectations are met, people don’t..my $ is on more people having same experience as I’ve had (and had seen complaints before I bought mine so I did “put my $ where my mouth is” )

 

[actionexpress]

I’ve seen recent youtube vids where they’ve had the same results as mine, which is EXCELLENT.

I’ve only put 150 rounds though it, but running Remington umc 180 grain and Federal 200 grain HST and it’s been perfect.

Accurate, great grip, trigger, and the compensator makes it seem like firing a 9mm.

I had a Springfield xdm with the 5” barrel before that had much more recoil..I sold it and got this and couldn’t be happier with it.

As we all know and do understand, people that have problems will of course be irritated and talk about it, most often when expectations are met, people don’t..my $ is on more people having same experience as I’ve had (and had seen complaints before I bought mine so I did “put my $ where my mouth is” )

Agreed, my father bought one, shot the wimpy factory loads and hot stuff through it without issue so far. A friend bought one, no issues either.

 

[nastynatesfish]

This, and similar reports of ammo feeding issues in the 10mm M&P is why I went with the less desireable but reliable XDM-10.

Sadly, SIG has been no better in responses to similar issues in the XTEN.

The sig issues are mag related with long col ammo. I reload all my 10mm ammo for my sig. I seat them 1.250” and with a wolf extra powder spring and the +4 base bad I don’t have ftf issues. I don’t have issues with the couple boxes of factory sig vcrown either. 180/200gr. I’ve not seen people have issues with the cast loadings either. So I’m not sure if it’s just a specific ammo or what that lets to col get away or what. I’ve read people pulling mags apart and working the inside of them to smooth out. I’ve had my Xten for about - year now and I’m over 2500 rounds into it. All 180gr/200gr. Hst, ranger t and s&b jhp.

 

[tarosean]

I’ve been looking at recoil springs and I can find heavy springs for the 4.6” 10mm/45acp, but not for a full size gun. So, not sure where people are finding the captured 24# recoil assembly, or 24# spring and guide rod.

Have you searched for traditional guide rods in the aftermarket? That way you can tune to your hearts content. I am not an M&P person so I am unsure if they are available.

 

[sparkyv]

Mine never fed these 195gr WFN cast well, even when seated to 1.239".

The sig issues are mag related with long col ammo. I reload all my 10mm ammo for my sig. I seat them 1.250” and with a wolf extra powder spring and the +4 base bad I don’t have ftf issues. I don’t have issues with the couple boxes of factory sig vcrown either. 180/200gr. I’ve not seen people have issues with the cast loadings either. So I’m not sure if it’s just a specific ammo or what that lets to col get away or what. I’ve read people pulling mags apart and working the inside of them to smooth out. I’ve had my Xten for about - year now and I’m over 2500 rounds into it. All 180gr/200gr. Hst, ranger t and s&b jhp.

 

[DesertFox]

1006, 1026, 1066, 1076 and 1086 here that gobble up everything loaded. Me thinks S&W has gone in reverse manufacturing M&P line that is unreliable.

 

[nastynatesfish]

Mine never fed these 195gr WFN cast well, even when seated to 1.239".


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I’ve not shot any cast yet. I’m gonna order a few soon to play with. I have seen some of the bullets with wide meplats are an issue. I’m in a couple Xten groups on Facebook and there’s a good number of the guys that shoot them solely. I’ve been looking at bullet sand comparing them trying to match them to the buffalo bore bullet

 

[nastynatesfish]

Mine never fed these 195gr WFN cast well, even when seated to 1.239".


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Would you have any more of those bullets sitting you’d be willing to part with? I’d be willing to try some.

 

[S.Crockett]

What weight bullets are you trying to shoot? Typical 10mm rounds would be in the 180gr to 200gr range.

The 10mm AUTO might be the one semi-auto cartridge for which there is no “typical” range of bullet-weights since it runs from 135grns on the low end to 220grn/230grn hard cast on the heavy end. Admittedly 180grns seems to be the ubiquitous projectile weight especially in genetic range or training ammo.

Because the OP mentioned “bear country,” that would suggest someone wanting to load mags with 10mm ammo on the “heavy and fast” end, such as the 200grn and 220grn hard-cast loads sold by DT, UW, and BB.

A little research on the various gun boards where FTF complaints have surfaced about the S&W M&P 10mms will include problems feeding and shooting the hotter ammo and hard-slugs bullets.

So it’s ‘caveat emptor’ regarding S&W 10mm M&Ps.

 

[S.Crockett]

The sig issues are mag related with long col ammo. I reload all my 10mm ammo for my sig. I seat them 1.250” and with a wolf extra powder spring and the +4 base bad I don’t have ftf issues. I don’t have issues with the couple boxes of factory sig vcrown either. 180/200gr. I’ve not seen people have issues with the cast loadings either. So I’m not sure if it’s just a specific ammo or what that lets to col get away or what. I’ve read people pulling mags apart and working the inside of them to smooth out. I’ve had my Xten for about - year now and I’m over 2500 rounds into it. All 180gr/200gr. Hst, ranger t and s&b jhp.

As far as Sig’s 10mms go, my P220 Match Elite has been flawless out of the box. It’s closing in on 1K rounds fired, a mix of upper mid-range to hot factory ammo and equivalent handloads (those being mostly 200grn FMJs or 220grn coated HCs).

That said, in addition to reports of feed-finicky X-Tens, FTF complaints have also surfaced with the 10mm P320s, standard and compact models. Same issue: it seems the mags are sized for a certain optimal COAL. 10mm ammo topped with heavy bullets loaded to max COAL (1.260”) seem subject to FTFs. Ammo with lighter bullets and/or a more compact COAL (1.250”-ish range) are reported to run fine.

 

[sparkyv]

The P220 is a TANK of a fine firearm, but I prefer higher capacity.

As far as Sig’s 10mms go, my P220 Match Elite has been flawless out of the box. It’s closing in on 1K rounds fired

Most, if not all of the SIG branded ammo runs fine in the XTEN. Funny how that works.

That said, in addition to reports of feed-finicky X-Tens, FTF complaints have also surfaced with the 10mm P320s, standard and compact models. Same issue: it seems the mags are sized for a certain optimal COAL. 10mm ammo topped with heavy bullets loaded to max COAL (1.260”) seem subject to FTFs. Ammo with lighter bullets and/or a more compact COAL (1.250”-ish range) are reported to run fine.

I jealousy guard my stash a castboolits forum member made for me some years back, but would gladly send you a sample.

Would you have any more of those bullets sitting you’d be willing to part with? I’d be willing to try some.