Permit to Carry holder shoots robbery suspect

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The permit holder had a chance to retreat, he did not take that chance but continued the conflict by chasing the BG---this will be super bad for him, he will need a good attorney:eek:
 
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The permit holder had a chance to retreat, he did not take that chance but continued the conflict by chasing the BG---this will be super bad for him, he will need a good attorney
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Well, he might of just been attempting to follow/chase the suspect when the suspect turned on him/confronted him.



We definitely don't know all of the facts.
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While I have no doubt the good guy will need an attorney, don't forget that what we are seeing here, as much as the legal facts, is the journalistic writing style and probable antigun bias of the editors and writers. KARE11 (a local TV station) even put a headline that reads something like "Legal shooting or vigilante justice?" on their report.

From what at least one followup article has said, the scenario Bobson described is about what happened. Meanwhile, while Minneapolis and Hennepin County government is still strongly orthodox Democrat / antigun, the wind was taken out of their sails when blood did not run in the streets following the passage of the law in--in what? 2003? It is even hard to imagine a more 'neutral' comment on the incident form the police spokesman--and five years ago there would have been the mantra to 'not get involved, call a professional,' etc.

If there is a charge, then we will get to see facts of the case. If there is not, then it would appear the law is starting to work with less bias from the liberal establishment here.

Jim H.
 
I hope it turns out well for the guy, I will be following the outcome and hope my worst concerns aren't true but this is a good example of jurisdiction IMO. Hennepin Co. is not a bastion of 2a rights AFASIK and I can't help but believe this case might be viewed differently in Casper, Boise, Grand Junction or Phoenix.
 
I am from MN also. Watch for announcements in case this guy looks like he is in further trouble. I, for one, would be happy to contribute to a defense fund to help him with legal costs. He will need a pile of money regardless of circumstances. Good people are looking into it. We all need to cover our own in cases like this. Maybe more info at the gun show at the fairgrounds Oct 29th.
 
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Again, not being a lawyer etc etc, it is my understanding from reading online that MN passed HF 1467 which, among other things, added a "stand your ground" clause and removed the duty to retreat, even outside your own home.

It is my understanding that this law went into effect August 1, 2011.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H1467.0.html&session=ls87

If that did not pass then I believe the old law was quite a bit different. I haven't put a whole lot of time into researching it.
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This never passed. We followed this closely in MN. Clicking on the status in the link you provided shows that it passed in the MN house but was stopped in committee in the MN senate. The MN house and senate are both republican controlled.
 
If the man chased the BG, and THEN the BG pulled a gun on him and fired, that's a good shoot(in theory), correct?
 
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I am from MN also. Watch for announcements in case this guy looks like he is in further trouble. I, for one, would be happy to contribute to a defense fund to help him with legal costs. He will need a pile of money regardless of circumstances. Good people are looking into it. We all need to cover our own in cases like this. Maybe more info at the gun show at the fairgrounds Oct 29th.
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Amen. I've never really been interested in CCW, my lifestyle didn't dictate it when I was in college (couldn't carry on campus). I now live in Minneapolis and had my car broken into this weekend and had a lot of stuff stolen (all hidden out of view btw). Seems the 763/612/952 is urging me to reconsider carrying. My girlfriend has also been harrassed in the same neighborhood, so I'm working on her as well.
 
If the man chased the BG, and THEN the BG pulled a gun on him and fired, that's a good shoot(in theory), correct?
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"Man chased BG" is the key here, and that's where the letter of the law/ the hourly rate of the attorney really comes into play. Both sides of the "did he need to chase the BG" are going to be presented. A prosecutor may argue that a CCW citizen is not the same as a LEO and doesn't have the legal authority to pursue once the immediate threat has ended. OTOH, a defense attorney may take any number of courses to show that the shooter had a reason to pursue and engage the BG.

IMO, if there's any sense in our legal system, he'll get an 'atta boy, and any actions against him will be quickly dropped, but you just never know
 
Local TV show last nighthad mom and sisters of perp on saying "he was the victim, he was a good boy"
BTW. Both mom and son have extensive criminal records.
 
Yep the media, especially in liberal towns is always ready to help society commit suicide, especially in the name of one of their causes.
How many times has the grieving family scene been show regarding career criminals?
 
I agree with the others who say that chasing the person has probably placed the CCWer in hot water with the police.

And, I agree.

What's the point of chasing the thief? Recover stolen property? Fancies himself a police officer who has to apprehend a criminal?

NO, NO, and NO again. Never use your gun to do anything but to make someone stop from using lethal force against you.

Chasing the guy down? What was he thinking?
 
Well he won't be stealing from innocent people in the future now will he. One less piece of scum in my opinion. The robber was the one who instigated the crime and died as a result of his actions. Had he not decided to commit robbery, he would still be alive. That's how I see it.
 
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Well he won't be stealing from innocent people in the future now will he. One less piece of scum in my opinion. The robber was the one who instigated the crime and died as a result of his actions. Had he not decided to commit robbery, he would still be alive. That's how I see it.
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The surest way to lose CCW privileges is for yahoos to start running around shooting common thieves.

OK - The thief ran away. Call the police, and let them take care of the rest.
 
The only reason I can see for chasing them would to be keep sight of them long enough to try to get a helpful description. Then break off and talk to the police with the old lady.

That would be my reasoning, but I can't guarantee that I'd put that much effort into stopping the crime though. Too much risk. Hell, the CCW'r got shot at for it.
 
I have read and heard numerous accounts of citizens following criminals and aiding in the location of abducted children, murder suspects, bank robbers and the like. I don't know the exact circumstances of this "chase" so that would certainly be a determining factor IMO. It seems the guy may not have known the extent that the thug beat the woman and if she was already receiving aid I personally think that I may have followed with the hope of getting a better description or possibly a lic. no. of a vehichle.
 
everyone is defending the guy, but in my opinion i dont see it as a legally justified shooting....do i think the robber deserved to get shot? damn right. but if you see someone snatch a purse from an old lady and then you proceed to open fire on them, youre going to get screwed hard by bubba for the next 10+ years. even if the guy chased the robber thinking they were unarmed, and THEN got into a gun fight, the guy would still be the aggressor because he chased them

all he had to do was let them get away with the purse, there was no need for deadly force to be used

i think its great that theres one less scumbag off the street (the robber), but i dont see this guy getting off lightly....i think it was very irresponsible the way he handled it...any time you fire a gun out in public youre putting other people at risk, so do so when theres no immediate threat on your life or someone elses life, is inexcusable.

just my opinion at least
 
I don't really understand this part of the story:

"Then they were approached by another man outside the grocery store who said he witnessed the robbery, chased Evanovich behind the restaurant and shot him during a confrontation. The man then directed officers to the weapon.

Police found that weapon and another handgun believed to belong to Evanovich near where the shooting occurred."

Did he put his gun down and walk away from it? That's strange.
 
The surest way to lose CCW privileges is for yahoos to start running around shooting common thieves.

OK - The thief ran away. Call the police, and let them take care of the rest.
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My decision to carry isn't a privelege; it's my right.
 
Before a recent merger, our company G.O. was based in the Twin Cities.

Having operated through there quite often, many of us labeled the "Star Tribune" newspaper
the "Hammer and Sickle", due to the abrasive, leftist style of various topics. Some of the writers and editors might be frustrated revolutionaries, or maybe sympathized with the SDS etc decades ago.

The fact that they reported that the shooter had a CCW permit might be a bit surprising, but quite often more time and a follow-up article are needed to reveal what the main motivations are in news reporting, other than "good copy".
 
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WinThePennant said:
The surest way to lose CCW privileges is for yahoos to start running around shooting common thieves.

OK - The thief ran away. Call the police, and let them take care of the rest.
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Correction: The surest way to ensure the passage of legislation limiting carry is for yahoos to start running around shooting common thieves.
 
As much as I agree with the man giving pursuit to a criminal, killing him and initiating the hostilities are not exactly great PR for the gun community. My roommate actually hauled up the article to use in an argument as a reason to ban guns.
 
in texas it would come down to who the distric or county atturny is . the man was in know danger himself utill he put his self there , I would have done the same thing as I will not tolerate helpless people being victomised !!!!
 
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