Peruvian Assault Pistol

[Famaldehide Face]

It is believed a semi automatic variant of the MGP-84 has replaced the Browning HiPower in Peruvian Military Service, Why did this weapon do so?

 

[CypherNinja]

It could be as simple as cost.

But, it could also be several other things:

• "It's made here."
• Easier use of silencers
• It has a stock and forward grip
• Larger mag capacity

 

[nwilliams]

Lots of info about it here....

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=134632#post134632

 

[Geno]

I can only say that based on my time in Peru, if the pistol is as-unreliable-as every other aspect of "life" that I regretfully experienced in country, I would not be too worried about facing it. I would be worried about using it.

An aside question, anyone here ever travel a God-forsaken airline called "Aeropeor"...sorry, I mean Aeroperu? Dang..they have to stop selling coca leaves in the airport there...and in Bolivia. The more I travel (and survive South America), the more I love my homeland. GBA!!!

Oh yeah, ugly pistol! I think I saw it in the Marvin Martin cartoons. I like the Bushmaster or clones.

 

[icebones]

if that weapon is MADE in location, i would worry about it coming apart due to crappy metalugry, poor machining and 3rd works (cough) craftsmanship...

it looks like that fires from an open bolt also, it seems to share a lot of characteristics with the STEN smg,
kinda seems to me that the reciever was made out of steel pipeing.

 

[Moonclip]

I aleways wanted to chew some coca leaves, I had a teacher that used to with coca-cola to combat altitude sickness! Did you like Inca Cola? I'd like to give that gun a try.

 

[Geno]

Moonclip:

Tell ya what...time in Bolivia, and time in Peru is an experience that will stick with you for decades! The coca leaves are legal to buy and use in Bolivia. Honest, they sell them in the airport! But, have you ever seen what they do to the teeth?! For what it's worth, I passed on the offer!

Back to that pistol. I just can't wrap my brain around it. I usually say to people, I've never seen a firearm that I didn't want. I think I just did.

 

[Sam1911]

From the link above:

"All the MPG guns are to be fitted with a suppressor that uses the Uzi magazines."

Uh, yeah.

Another quote from a site linked from the previous one:
"This has been remarkably well achieved in the MGP-84, whose telescopic (or wrap-around) bolt entirely surrounds the 166 mm-long barrel, pretty much in the same fashion of a Colt Government Model pistol, for example. The return spring is positioned in a similar way, too, encircling the barrel. "

Has this writer ever seen a 1911?

 

[Chilean]

Hey Doc, South America is no so bad...you know, beautiful babes, well done barbecues (asados, not the american way), chilean horses, chilean wine, soccer, cumbia and so on....

 

[armoredman]

"Here we see the High Point in it's evolved state..."

 

[Geronimo45]

I'd say it was decent if it had the FA option - it'd work something like the MP5k. That could be useful in some situations. But as a semi?

Since it's based on the STEN (why would anyone base a semi-auto pistol on the STEN?), it's probably extremely cheap to make. Their old BHPs might've been wearing out, and they needed replacements. Decided to keep the money in-country and save a few bucks.

 

[Geno]

Chilean:

Oh yeah! I have a Latin Goddess. Oh and those Chilean asados...don't torture me. It's cruel. Paulina and Morgan will be in Santiago this summer. "Lucky" me, I probably have to stay here teaching. Anyhow, two popular Chilean expressions come to mind:

1) Chilean "artesania" made with Peruvian copper. (refence to Chile/Peru war).

and

2) Titi for me and caca for you (reference to Bolivia/Peru) Lake Titicaca.

Yup...Chile was awesome! Bolivia, Peru, Brazil, Venezuela, Columbia, Pamana and Argentina? Nope!!! I've survived there long enough and don't plan ever to return of my own free will. Chile? Oh yeah.

I'll be back to Chile someday soon. Our families will have an asado with a bottle or 3 of Concha y Toro, Casillero del Diablo...Merlot, please.

 

[ravencon]

Dang..they have to stop selling coca leaves in the airport there...and in Bolivia.

Coca leaves are not intoxicating. They do help with altitude sickness which is why they are sold at the airport (and just about everywhere) and why coca leaves are chewed and why coca leaf tea is commonly served.

 

[bannockburn]

Back to the topic at hand, this gun reminds me of a post WWII submachine gun that Erma or Mauser made that looked quite similar to the Peruvian MGP-15. Unfortunately, the market was already flooded with so many military surplus weapons, it was never produced in any numbers. This Peruvian offering seems to be a more compact version of the German design.

 

[Geno]

The instant I saw the picture, I thought of the M3A1 grease gun.

 

[DougDubya]

It's neat in a "space pistol" sort of manner.

'Course, IMI came out with a much better Micro-Uzi with a good shoulder stock and utilizes Glock magazines. I'll take THAT instead (in fact, I gave it to the heroes in one of my older novels).

 

[FieroCDSP]

Hecks, I'd be happy if I could manufacture something like that in my basement, that worked and didn't make me fear more for my life than the guy I'm pointing it at.

 

[cluttonfred]

IMHO, a semi-auto version of a compact SMG with a shoulder stock seems about perfect as a sidearm or PDW for second-line troops, especially if we are talking about young men with little training doing their mandatory military service.

Pistols and full-auto SMGs are hard to master, and the latter use up ammo fast, but the M1 Carbine shows that a handy shoulder-fired weapon is easy to master. A Micro Uzi, B&T MP9, Skorpion in 9mm or this Peruvian gun, all of them fitted with a shoulder stock of some kind, can be a holster-carried carbine.

With hot 9mm +P ammo it would approach M1 carbine numbers but in a compact packaget that can still be fired as a pistol in a pinch. If reliable, I'd rather carry that than any ordinary 9mm pistol.

 

[lvcat2004]

What exactly is an "assault pistol"??

Select-fire??

 

[Famaldehide Face]

Somthing in the form of a small submachine gun but in semi automatic form. The likes of the TEC-9, Wilkinson Arms 'Linda' and Goncz Pistol are classed as 'Assault Pistol's.

 

[Eightball]

Looks like it might have better ergonomics than a Glock

Other than that, that thing is hideous. I wouldn't touch one if I could help it.

 

[Ghost Tracker]

They gave-up Hi-Power pistols...for that?!?

Y'all excuse me, I need to go trade my Toyota Pick-up for a three-legged warthog.

 

[TS537]

+1 on the "ugliest thing I've ever seen" side.

Looks like the mating of a hair drier and a caulking gun.

 

[Shadow1198]

Looks like the b@stard midget spawn of a M3a1 Greasegun, Beretta M12s, and Micro Uzi orgy. God, whoever designed that gun failed so hard a fall from the Eiffel tower would be soft in comparison.

 

[Deer Hunter]

I like it.

If it's reliable, that is.

Form follows function.