Picking an MA or a dojo

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This has to be one of the most common questions I get, both in person or online. What Martial Art should I take? That is almost impossible to answer. Here is my $.02.

The first thing you need to do is decide what you are looking for. When it comes to martial arts, it usually comes down to one of or a combination of these three things: personal development, tournament, and self-defense.

Personnel Development- for the person who has the time and money to engage in a life long pursuit of being the best they can be in mind, body, and soul. Many traditional arts such as Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, and Kenjitsu come to mind. These may appeal to the person who wants a hobby as well as the ability to pursue perfection. These arts have a huge "head" component that requires the student to learn to be calm through mediation. They all have a combat application, but can take months or years of effective study to use in the street.

Tournament- this is for the person who wants to compete against others. Arts like Karate, Tae Kwondo, Brazilian Ju Jitsu. Only advanced students are likely to be able to apply these arts to the street against things like weapons and multiple opponents. These arts are also likely to take months to years of study before the student can have confidence in using them on the street.

Self-Defense- this is the sticking point for many. For those that have spent years pursuing a particular art, sadly sometimes it becomes like religion. Practitioners feel that even by entertaining or trying something outside of their art they are being disloyal. And those that practice something else just don't "get it". The majority of traditional or cultural martial arts are based on the need for war or because of oppression. Both of these things create a mortar that make the art part of the life of the student. First, let's look at arts that were created for the battlefield. One of the biggest concerns is that unlike those at war long ago, you and I will have to answer for our actions, and have much to lose. For those born out of oppression, they were often kept secret by way of both practice and use. That is a luxury that we cannot afford these days. The majority of us will have to answer for and justify our actions to people that do not share our belief in self-defense,.

My answer to this problem is to get the best of both worlds by choosing a traditional Martial Art as well as taking some combative types courses based on your own ability, environment, and needs..

When you go into a school, watch a few classes, and see who attends them. Are they police, military, bouncers, or are they office workers, and business owners. If it is the former, there is a good chance that the curriculum is at least in part reality based. Ask the owner about his background, both personally and professionally. I would rather train with someone who grew up in a bad neighborhood having to fight his way to and from home from school, than someone who pointed to a wall full of trophies, and pictures of him with other instructors. Ask them if they had ever been in a situation that scared them, but they were able to handle themselves because of their training. I don't want to train with anyone who will not admit to ever being scared.

After all this, you may decide that for one reason or another you are not willing to invest the time and money to be a "better person", but instead want to learn how to justifiably defend yourself and others in the environments you typically find yourself in, with tools you can legally carry., This is one of the reasons MCS was created. First you learn-

How to be Aware

How Avoid

How to be Aggressive

We break Aggressive Skill Sets into the following-

Working knowledge of the judicious use of force

Open Hand Combatives (punches/kicks, take downs/throws, and ground control)

Impact Weapons

Edged Weapons (open hand defense before offensive use)

Firearms (pistol, shotgun, and rifle)

The funny thing is that you will soon find that both traditional martial arts and combatives are a life long pursuit. The difference is that combatives allows you to learn much more in a shorter amount of time. Ask yourself how long do I have until I need to defend my life?
 
I think a very SD oriented MA is something called the "SPEAR" system by Tony Blauer. It puts emphasis on the human body's natural ability to respond to reflexes and sharpens them to be more situationally aware and how to respond/act against a violent encounter, sometimes without even having to physically touch the assailant. It teaches many different mindsets, physical moves, geographical and locational placement techniques, human behavior, danger sensory/identification tactics, etc. It's really good stuff, google and youtube "Tony Blauer SPEAR"
 
That looks like a serious program, but it also looks expensive and something that you have to travel a long ways for.
 
I have heard a lot of good stuff from fellow soldiers and cops about SPEAR, though I have never been instructed in it myself. For civilian law enforcement, PPCT is ok (not amazing, but much better than nothing), same with Army Combatives (if you get to level 2 or 3, 1 is worthless from a practical muscle memory standpoint). But as far as extracurricular MA studying goes, I have found Krav Maga to be the most beneficial. I don't care about belts, ranks, flashy flying kicks, or showing off to a crowd at a competition. To me, Krav Maga has been the most mission oriented MA I have seen so far. Show up, learn how to defend yourself, go home. If you want to be told how awesome you are with a new belt every month or show off for friends and family at a competition, there are plenty of other disciplines that have that stuff in spades. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is also very effective for ground fighting, and most fights do end up on the ground sooner or later. I would stay away from schools that focus too much on MMA style fighting. Now if MMA is a hobby and you understand that it's different from real life, that stuff can be fun to learn. But I've seen a few Brazilian Jiu Jitsu schools that really hype on MMA fighting and lose sight of techniques that don't end with a tap out. This may sound overly cheesy/macho, but bad guys don't tap out and the fight isn't just over when the whistle is blown. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is fun, even competing MMA style; just be aware that some of the stuff you're learning isn't at all practical when lives are really on the line.
 
BJJ is the basis of Army Combatives, actually met a few of the Gracie brothers when I was in at combatives tournaments, but it's really up to you, I like Kung Fu, and there are many different styles and schools in it, but I also think that you should learn both ground and standing.

Wish there was a krav maga near me.
 
Good post. Learning hand to hand combatives or "self defense" is a lot like learning defensive firearms use. Odds are to get top quality training you probably have to travel a bit and it may be pricey. Yes, there may be excellent quality instruction available locally, but probably not unless you are lucky enough to live in the same area as a very good firearms school. Same for empty hand self defense and for the same reasons...there aren't that many people with extensive real-world backgrounds in it.
 
My $0.02 ...

You want to be trained by someone who is very competent, humble, is a gifted teacher and isn't all about money.

Martial arts clubs at colleges, with competent instructors fit the bill. I'll take a sweaty Dojo in the basement of the gym, with low fees, and lots of informal time available on top of class time. The reason that I say this is that martial arts are not quickly mastered. Your talking about investing a significant amount of practice time and it can get very expensive, very quickly. So having access to the dojo outside of formal class hours, when guys are exercising and practicing is huge.

Groups like the U.D. Tai-Kean-Do Association, monopolize and milk their sport world wide were not interesting to me. Every TKD dojo or tournament I've ever been to struck me as being "all about the money". That's the opposite of what I'm suggesting.

Which martial art? Each will be beneficial and teach you valuable things. My preference would be for one that is 'synergistic' in that they are open to new ideas and change :eek: , willing to incorporate techniques from other styles THAT WORK.

I personally find very little value in knowing the "ancient Chinese secret" and am not interested in eastern religions that are often packaged with various martial arts.
 
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SSN Vet brings up some good points. In principle, I favor Okinawan Karate...but in practice, the quality of instruction is far, far more important than the exact style. There are only so many ways to fight, after all.

And he's dead on about finding a sensei who teaches for the pleasure of teaching, instead of running a belt mill. I have the great good fortune to be a member of a club that has been operating for nearly forty years, under instructors who really didn't care about making money. They were far more interested in learning and teaching good karate. The sort of people you are honored to know.

Which is, in the end, a larger part of the fighting arts (including shooting) than we like to recognize.
 
That's a good post; thanks for writing it. I didn't put nearly that much thought into picking a martial art when I became more defensive-minded... all I did was check out dojos within a half-hour from home and go with the one that seemed the most deeply rooted in actual combat. I found that keeping an open mind was very helpful, as the system I picked didn't look like anything I'd practiced before.
 
Good post.

A lot of people lose sight of the fact that most arts offer something for everybody, however, it may not be what YOU are looking for...
 
In principle, I favor Okinawan Karate...

I'm smiling to myself with a memory....

While working a factory job one summer, it was too far to commute back to college, where my home club was.... so I found out a guy teaching Shorin-Ryu at a nearby fitness club. He was kind of portly and a jolly tempered guy and I was happy that he didn't require me to buy a bunch of stuff, nor wear a white belt, or take my home clubs patches off. He was a 5th dan.

We collided once when sparring, (just a little feisty), and he took a tumble, rolling over onto his back. I simply broke off to let him get up, as that was more or less the courtesy I was accustomed to. Later on, one of the other guys in class said "good thing you didn't try to engage him while he was down, he's more dangerous on his back than he is standing".

I wasn't around long enough to really pick up much, but the exposure to new ideas was good. In addition to seeing guys roll around on their backs practicing scissors moves that would break your legs, it was the first time I ever saw training with rubber knives and rubber guns.

Last I heard he had flown off to Okinawa and received his 6th dan.

The guy was a guard at a very large state prison and sometimes he got a "steely eyed" look that was some unsettling.

I pity the fool prisoner that ever tried uniting with him.
 
In principle, I favor Okinawan Karate...

My answer to this problem is to get the best of both worlds by choosing a traditional Martial Art as well as taking some combative types courses based on your own ability, environment, and needs...

That all about sums up any thoughts I would have added. Lots of years in Okinawan Goju under great teachers in a "club" environment, later running a dojo myself; an interest in combatives at the moment.

Great OP.
 
Try SPEAR...Try Krav Maga...Try Sistema...Try BJJ

One real world limitation is what is actually offered in your area. If you live in NYC or LA, you have a wealth of MA schools from which to pick and choose. If you live in Buttcrackton, PA...not so much.
Sometimes you have to make do with what you have.
 
Like others have said, make sure you check out the teacher and the dojo. You do not want to end up at a "McDojo."

http://mcdojo-faq.tripod.com/

One of the things that will help is to find people that study other styles, and train with them. Being exposed to several styles will not only sharpen your skills set, it will grow your skill set.
 
I just read the McDojo article.... they hit the nail on the head.

Not all bad & evil.... but definately NOT to be confused with self defense.

Where I trained, there were very few who earned their black belt, and it took those who did 3-1/2 to 4 years, working out almost every day. But earning your black belt didn't mean that you had "arrived"; but rather, it meant that you were now a serious student and were ready to 'begin' advanced training, and could assist with the teaching of beginners.
 
Proficiency requires LOTS of hard work and dedication.
Not something for occaisional practice. Not something a weekend course can teach you.
It is good to have had experience in full contact sports.
Can you take punishment and keep up?
Ever been hit really hard full in the face? Kicked in your stomach?

Being an actual fighter requires a lot of work as well as talent.
Toughness is paramount. Just some things to consider.
 
Good post, and one I mostly agree with.

I am a budo practitioner...but I rarely suggest traditional Japanese martial arts anymore to anyone who is looking for something they can use to defend themselves in the least amount of time. Yeah, an accomplished budo stylist will have impeccable timing and may be as close to unbeatable as it's possible to be in real life, but he probably took 4 years to get to the point where he was reasonably capable of defending himself.

What I have come to believe, based on my and others' real-world experiences, is that "self-defence" encompasses more than just defeating attackers. Your MA should work to keep you safe against the threats you WILL encounter. The one suggestion I now make to anyone who asks what the "best" martial art for them, is to make sure that they start with a MA that teaches them how to hit the ground safely. I have fallen headfirst the equivalent of an entire story, slipped on rocky ground while carrying a 100-lb crate of mortar ammunition, and dove and rolled out of the way of a speeding truck, in addition to numerous less dramatic but still potentially dangerous spills. The most I've gotten was a few small bruises. My first wife trained with me for about 2.5 years. When I saw her in 2006, she told me that the martial arts had saved her so many times, including when she was hit by a car in a crosswalk.

There are some potentially useful things in BJJ, but its use by the Army as basis for Army combatives is solely related to its UFC popularity. It is close to the worst martial art for real-world military personnel I can imagine- but US military MAs are really designed to promote aggression more than train-in a desired real-world response.

John
 
Mike, Thanks for the McDojo link, It makes some very good points. One being that the style of MA you choose is less important than the quality of instruction, and the effort you put into your training. Our Head instructor is always reminding us " you'll fight how you train. So train hard!"

As far as choosing a MA, 20 years ago I was searching for a dojo for my kids to join and was referred to a school teaching Goju ryu and Judo. At the time it had been in business for almost 20 years and the instructor had been training for 35 years (He'd gotten his start as a Marine stationed in Okinawa in the 1950's). While watching the kids train one day the Instructor casually invited me to join in, needless to say the kids have grown up and moved on to other things but I'm still spending as much time as I can there, it's members have become a second family to me.

Back then there wasn't a dojo in every strip mall so it was easier to choose a school. I try to visit other dojos when I travel and here are the things I would consider if I were ever to move and was looking for a new school. The knowledge and character of the instructors, the attitude and ego's of the students, after all I may be spending a lot of time with them and need to trust them as training partners! Do I have to sign a contract? A good school shouldn't need contracts to keep their students coming back. And finally the style, at my age is it compatible with my physical abilities and how practical is it? A Good MA should be interesting and engaging enough to keep me coming back to learn more for the rest of my life.

G D
 
"Scorning all treacherous feud and deadly strife, The dark stilletto and the murderous knife, We boast a science sprung from manly pride, Linked with true courage and with health allied - A noble pastime void of vain pretense, The fine old English art of self-defense." -Jem Burn, English 1820's bare knuckle fighter

Don't discount the sweet science, in some cases finding a good boxing club will be far easier than finding a good Dojo.

I will say, if you are going to learn a Martial Art, it needs to be one you are interested in and will stay interested in. Buyers remorse isn't just for guns or houses.
 
Good info. Go to a dojo that has been around a while-they usually are better. They will not fold up and leave you hanging with you being out money.
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As far as choosing a MA, 20 years ago I was searching for a dojo for my kids to join and was referred to a school teaching Goju ryu and Judo. At the time it had been in business for almost 20 years and the instructor had been training for 35 years (He'd gotten his start as a Marine stationed in Okinawa in the 1950's). While watching the kids train one day the Instructor casually invited me to join in, needless to say the kids have grown up and moved on to other things but I'm still spending as much time as I can there, it's members have become a second family to me

Hey Ghostdog!

I see that you are in NE; would that be Roseberry in Lincoln, perchance?
 
sidheshooter, Yes it is Roseberry's and Shihan is still teaching us the basics! Have you trained with him?

Early in my training I didn't realize how fortunate I was until I started meeting folks from all over who hold him in such high regard!

G D
 
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