Pietta 36 Cal 1851 "Yank" Navy - review.

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A quick, not necessarily brief, review of my new 36 caliber steel frame Pietta 1851 Navy bought from Cabela's a few weeks ago. Pics and targets to follow in the next couple of days.

I disassembled and cleaned up my new 36 cal Pietta 1851 Navy the other day and replaced the factory flat bolt spring with a Wolff - EMF 32297 wire bolt spring. A fellow on another board received the same gun with a broken trigger spring. I figured I'd order some spares just in case.

Manipulating the gun before cleaning and bolt spring replacement, I noticed the timing was a little off. I think the new spring and wiping all the gunk off the internals of the revolver cleaned up the action. There was a sharp edge where hand spring connects to the hand. I buffed that on some 3M 800 grit wet/dry sandpaper then checked the bolt for fit on the cylinder locking notches. One of the notches seemed a little extra tight. Did a couple of swipes of the bolt on the same sandpaper.

I put a dab of T/C Bore Butter on the arbor (cylinder pin) as I find that helps my other Pietta 1860 Army revolvers run longer / smoother. I also tightened each nipple - maybe a 1/4 of a turn and reassembled the gun.

Yesterday / Thursday we had a boat trip planned on Bull Shoals lake at 930am. I got up early and did a little shooting at my backyard gong at 7am. I still need to cut some wads and only planned to test fire the gun with a couple cylinders for function.

A couple years ago an older friend of mine gave me a 1/3 full can of Goex FFFg powder. A month or 2 ago he gave me his old powder horn that was full of another 1/3 of the same Goex powder from 1985.

I have 2 powder flasks, 1 is brass with a 30gr spout that is filled with Graf's Schuetzen FFFg (from January) the other flask is plastic and has a 20gr spout that I loaded with the 1985 Goex FFFg.

Getting on to shooting...
I fired off 2 cylinders of caps - goal being to clear the nipples which I neglected to inspect and clean.

For the 1st cylinder of the day I started with 5 chambers with 20gr of Goex and 1 chamber with 30gr of Graf's. I used .375 diameter Hornady ball and Remington #10 caps. I put T/C bore butter on top of 20gr ball loaded chambers. I really just wanted to do a quick test fire of 1 or 2 cylinders.

In the very 1st cylinder, I had one misfire. The cap went off but the main load didn't (pop but no boom) w/ one of the 20gr Goex chambers. It fired with a 2nd cap (I blame not cleaning the nipples / chambers). The 30 gr chamber fired with authority. The 20gr loads were mouse farts in comparison.

I fired the next 6 cylinders using 30gr of Graf's FFFg which created a nice cloud of smoke and made my gong move nicely. 30 grains fills the chamber to mouth. Pressing a ball on top of the powder required a little extra effort but I like the idea of standardizing to 1 powder flask. This being a steel framed gun it should handle the full powder loads just fine.

I will see how both charges do on paper either Friday or Saturday. I'll probably wind up buying another powder flask and cutting the nozzle to 25gr to 28gr to allow room for a wad and make loading easier.

I do note the hammer on this 1851 really sucks caps if the action is manipulated slowly. Brisk manipulation of the hammer and a little shake here and there had the caps falling off nicely. My pair of Pietta 44 1860 Army Colt hammers don't suck caps like this 1851 Navy does.

Another minor point, the rear hammer sight is even smaller than my 1860 hammer sights. May widen that in the future.

Overall - black powder is fun and the 51 Navy seems to shoot well so far.
 
I like using the "safety" pins between chambers so other than cleaning up the hammer face, I'll probably keep it as is for now.
Maybe add a cap post or send this one off to Goons some day.

I have a brass frame I could practice drilling a cap post on but not sure if I will have time during this vacation.
 
Thanks, Drobs! Can't wait for pics! My C&B clan is all Uberti right now (with one ASM 1860, which is on an extended sleepover at Goons), but I have been looking hard at adding the Pietta Yank 1851 soon, just to see how Pietta's QC has improved...the catalog pics of the Yank sure look purty...
 
Did some target work this morning out in the backyard. Its hot and humid out there.
Started with 30gr of Graf's fffg and switched to 20gr of Goex fffg. 30gr is messy real easy to have it spread all over the cylinder face. Below was shot at 21 ft using the 20gr loads using 2 hands. I haven't shot since January and I blame the flyers on myself. Am on day 2 of shooting the gun. The gun is dirty but I washed the barrel out before shooting today. I figure one more day shooting it and then I'll give it a full bath.

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Under the blue tape on the right side of the target is a mixture of my 1858 Sheriff and the 51 Navy.
Wanted to shoot the 58 Sheriff more but just too hot out there.
 
drobs

Fine looking Pietta Model 1851 Navy along with a very thorough write-up and range report! Still thinking about getting a Model 1851 from Cabela's next time they go on sale.
 
drobs,

Very good initial write-up and follow-up posts.

Mike Belliveau (duelist 1954 I believe) creates some very good vids, but in this one he keeps getting his head in the way of work that he is performing. I very much like the work he does, and in this video he shoots the pistol very differently than an out-of-the-box Pietta 1851 Navy .36. With those, he normally shoots a chamber, allows the pistol to come vertical to about 45* from horizontal, and turns it sideways 90* to the right before re-cocking the hammer. That allows the spent cap to fall out easily, and in his vids as such he has not had a failure. Technique, I guess. Maybe the ACW guys were smarter than we realize.

I have 3 Pietta 1851 Navy type .36 pistols (a 2014 [CM] squareback TG "tail" grip, a 2015 [CN] Griswold & Gunnison, and a 2016 [CP] like your Navy "Yank). I don't fire the G&G brasser, but I have not had a problem with spent caps on either of the two other guns using the procedure I described above. Due to Pietta's CNC machining, and a couple of spare cylinders, I can also create a Leech & Rigdon and a Rigdon & Ansley 12-stop- slot cylinder by easily exchanging barrels, cylinders, and frames.

Many people downgrade Pietta's quality and engineering vs. Uberti but I disagree. Uberti has still never addressed the arbor to barrel lug recess shortage problem with their pistols if one wants a good shooter. Pietta has seen that since CNC happened.

The problem with Pietta is that they like to turn out designer/engineer fantasies like the so-called 1851 Navy "pepperbox" which never historically existed. It is an anomaly for present day folks just to try it. If they want a good fantasy gun they would increase the frame size to accommodate that huge .36 cylinder with a barrel and load lever, and create a .36 Walker, and Pietta might be fine with that.

They seem to be preoccupied with 1851 Navy brassers in .44. Not historical, but Cabela's seems to have them on sale all the time. Not interested.

I want to create a Dance .36 on an 1851 Navy frame. Pietta has created a Dance .44 on a Navy frame that has been lowered without the cut water table, and the cylinder is much larger in diameter than a standard Navy .36 cylinder.

The parts will not interchange with a Pietta Navy .36, therefore no mix and match, which is what I am looking for. I have emailed Pietta several times and it seems they have no interest, even though Dance produced several .36 pistols on a Colt 1851 sized frame.

If I wanted to do it myself, I would need a pistol as you just purchased and have my next-door-neighbor machinist mill off the recoil shields, but I would then have to re-color case the frame.

On the back burner.

Thanks for sharing your gun with us, sir!

Jim
 
I procured a SB TG for my 2014 [CM] Pietta 1851 Navy .36 to create a pistol similar to a replica Colt 1851 Navy .36 Second Model from Taylor's back in 2015. I had to wait for almost 3 months before it was delivered to me due to it being it ordered with a batch of other parts from Pietta to Taylor's order, clearing customs, etc. They do not offer it anymore, as well as VTI.

Dixie Gun Works offers one (RH0850) with a SB TG with a brass backstrap and brass TG, but they label it as a London model, which is not correct. The stock photo shows a tail grip profile that has not been produced since 2014, and if it is a newer one I for one I have no idea how to procure one.

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index.../RH0850+Pietta+M1851+NAVY+YANK+LONDON+REVOLVE

You folks have a good night!

Jim
 
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