Pink Pistols in the news

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Gun-packing Pink Pistols feel safer armed
Wednesday, October 1, 2003

By AMY KLEIN
STAFF WRITER
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photo- credit:TARIQ ZEHAWI / THE RECORD
caption: A member of the Pink Pistols [Andrew] practicing at a shooting
range in Pennsylvania. There are 37 Pink Pistols chapters nationwide.
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It was after Andrew Greene left the gay bar in Philadelphia that he
heard the guys behind him.

They were drunk and carrying metal pipes. When Greene got to his car,
one of them shouted, "Hey, faggot."

Greene pulled his gun. The men ran.

Almost a decade later, Greene can still recall his fear. The gun, he
said, saved his life. And so, on the third Saturday of each month,
Greene heads to a shooting range with dozens of other gays and lesbians
from New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware who believe that carrying a
gun will help protect them from anti-gay violence.

First, though, they go to lunch. They talk about the latest gun show or
an upcoming pride parade. Some of the members have started to date.

Meet the Pink Pistols, a social group with the motto, "Armed gays don't
get bashed."

"Criminals know that certain people - like gays - are less likely to own
guns, and they target them," said Greene, 34, who lives in Philadelphia.
"Much in the same way I carry a gun, I have a spare tire in the back of
my car. It's there because when you need a spare, nothing replaces it."

Its philosophy has put the group in an unusual position between gay
groups and gun groups. High-profile gay organizations aren't exactly
rushing to embrace the gun-toting members, and the National Rifle
Association doesn't address the issue of sexuality.

"No one is sitting outside a bar on a Friday night with a baseball bat
waiting to bash a bunch of NRA members," said Gwen Patton, who founded
the Delaware Valley chapter with her partner about two years ago.

Since May 2000, when the first group of Pink Pistols met in Boston, 37
chapters have formed nationwide, giving gay, lesbian, bisexual, and
transgender people a place to hone their shooting skills.

There is no New Jersey chapter - an absence Patton attributes to what
she calls the state's "draconian" gun laws.

New Jersey is one of nine "may issue" states in which law enforcement
agencies are given some discretion in issuing permits to carry concealed
weapons. New Jersey does not recognize permits issued in other states.

About 15 New Jerseyans drive more than an hour to a shooting range in
Southampton, Pa., to practice with the Delaware Valley chapter,
including Sharona Nelson, a 52-year-old fiction writer from Cherry Hill.

Nelson is straight, married, and has a daughter in graduate school. When
she was 18, she was raped and says that self-defense has been a "real
bugaboo" for her.

"Shooting a gun levels the playing field between men and women," she
said. "In a hand-on-hand struggle, most men are going to overpower most
women."

A Libertarian, she is an adamant defender of the Second Amendment, and
when she started to look into shooting, she found the Pink Pistols.

They were welcoming, said Nelson, 52, who thinks she looks like a Sunday
school teacher. In June, she fired her first shot.

"In the end, it was just ... it was incredible," Nelson said. "It made
me feel confident. I normally walk tall, but it made me walk even taller."

Nelson's sense of vulnerability - and her frustration about being a
victim - is shared by many of the Pink Pistol members.

"This is not a power trip," Patton said. "It's applying medicine to an
illness that requires the proper treatment."

The gay community, for the most part, has been horrified, Patton said.

Historically, gay and lesbian groups have not been pro-gun, and other
gay organizations often just ignore the Pink Pistols, she said.

Indeed, several leaders of gay and lesbian organizations shied away from
interviews when they learned of the topic.

Laura Pople, president of the New Jersey Lesbian and Gay Coalition, said
she had never heard of the group and chose her words carefully when she
learned of its activities.

She praised the group for joining gays and lesbians in a shared hobby
and for engaging in political activism, but wouldn't comment on the
group's motto that armed gays don't get bashed.

"I'm not going to make a statement, because it hasn't come up before,"
Pople said. "Ours is a community that supports a variety of different
points of view."

After all, Pople said, there are gay stamp-collecting groups, gay
science-fiction groups, lots of gay bowling groups, and a gay shooting
group.

But Pink Pistols members say the group's objective runs deeper than just
giving its members an excuse to get together.

"Here's the queer community finally standing up and saying we're not
going to accept being targets for other people's rage," Patton said.
 
And wants really cool is the our local president is a self proclaimed liberial,So yes some of them do "get it"
 
You know, perhaps this is a good thing. I think.

I don't know too many people of the gay persuasion, but anybody who is happy, friendly, and likes guns is jake with me.

I think I saw the caption on one of Oleg's fabulous pics that says the "Fight for freedom makes for strange bedfellows." I have to agree.
 
"I'm not going to make a statement, because it hasn't come up before," Pople said.
Right. Ever hear of Matthew Shepard?
After all, Pople said, there are gay stamp-collecting groups, gay science-fiction groups, lots of gay bowling groups,
Hey, leave me alone! Or I'll stick this stamp on ya! Or I'll read you some Heinlein --then you'll know better than to mess with me!

It's about having human rights, rather than talking about human rights. Welcome, StonerStudent. Glad that you're here.
 
liberals opposing a group like the pink pistols just goes to show that they detest the right of individuals to defend themselves
why they do, who knows?
good luck pink pistols :)
BSR
 
Did I hear that the founder of the Pink Pistols is really sick with cancer? Does anyone know if this is true?
 
I've seen encounters between the Pink Pistols and wildly anti-gun liberals.

The results can be described as "paradigm shift without a clutch".

:p
 
I've seen encounters between the Pink Pistols and wildly anti-gun liberals.

The results can be described as "paradigm shift without a clutch".

Heh. I'd like to see that myself.
 
Way to go Pink Pistols. I have several gay, bisexual friends and one transgendered friend. Some carry, some don't, Guess which ones I worry about more.
 
Forgot where I read it, but I will have to agree with a comment I've read before.

Although I'm not gay, I have more in common with a homosexual who understands the right to defend their life, than with someone who's "straight" and doesn't.
 
"I'm not going to make a statement, because it hasn't come up before," Pople said.
Interesting. We here at THR -- and formerly we who frequented TFL -- had the first thread posted at TFL on this group on 09-16-2000; yet their contemporary peers feign no knowledge of their existence. Rather queer, don't you think?
 
This thread left an impression with me, that being a gay/lesbian has something to do with being presumed more liberal than conservative. How so? I am not kidding, I am just a foreigner :)

Best regards
 
"This is not a power trip," Patton said. "It's applying medicine to an

Good statement. Nothing like having articulate spokespeople for the cause, regardless of orientation.
 
Alexey931, Most of the LGBT groups are very lib and the Democracts actively court the gay vote. Which is why it is harder to come out as a gunowner to gay people then it is to come out gay to gun people.
 
Alexey931, the presumption (in my opinion) results from a number of vocal gay activists (and regular gay folks) having been in the liberal-to-socialist segment of the political spectrum. There are also large gay populations in cities such as San Francisco and New York, which are friendly to Democrat and socialist political groups. It's like assuming that office workers (in place of gays in this analogy) are overweight (leftist). It's not necessarily a causal relationship, but there's a certain amount of noticeable overlap between the two groups. Lots of folks don't fit the stereotypes. {Flame suit ON}

{Edited to add: StonerStudent posted a better answer as I was typing mine}
 
Kim the leader of the Pistols in Ohio was thrown out of the Columbus Stonewall Dem chapter for asking them if The Pink Pistols could march at the Columbus pride this year.
 
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