Pinned and Recessed S&W Model 27-2 in .357 Price?
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NIGHTLORD40K
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Here locally, I'd expect a minty (factory) nickel 5" M27-2 to have $1500-1700 on the tag. Add $2-300 if it includes the original box, papers, and tools.
That's what I'm seeing.
I found minty K and L fame 357s for around $800, but the 27s are easily double the price of the smaller guns.
NIGHTLORD40K
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Any decent N-Frame will command a premium these days and the M27 has always been a premium N-Frame.That's what I'm seeing.
So here’s the 64 thousand dollar question. I’ve found a very nice recessed and pinned nickel 27-2 with 5” barrel for $1800 and an equally nice 586-no dash with 6” barrel for $800.
I can afford either, but not both this close to Christmas and my last gun purchase. Eventually, I’ll have one of each, but which do you think will be harder to find?
I can afford either, but not both this close to Christmas and my last gun purchase. Eventually, I’ll have one of each, but which do you think will be harder to find?
243winxb
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For this amount, better come with wood case, tools, manual & target hammer, trigger & grips. Fully dressed.$1800
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Gordon
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A 586 no dash is a primo gun and will be harder to find and now are selling over $1000 . The 27-2 5" is not common because of barrel length , the 3.5" is the most desirable price wise. $1800 is no bargain IMHO. A minty 586 6" would be comparable to a New Python and some consider it was better at least endurance wise and quality of shootability to an original Python.The ones I have seen of 586 no dash have had wonderful finish as S&W was trying to best the aging Colt Python.
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It does, wood box, manual, tools. And it has target hammer, trigger, and grips.
Thanks. Looks like I’m leaning that way.
Reloadron
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I have a S&W Model586 and a Model 27 as well as a S&W Pre Model 27. The model 27 is in the wooden case with the tools, target hammer and grips plus a set of standard N frame grips.
The standard grips, barely visible are laying in the box top.
The S&W Model 586
While both are fine revolvers they are also the classic apple and orange. I can't begin to place the heavier Model 27 N Frame on par with the Model 586 L Frame revolver. The heavier N Frame is the same Frame used on the S&W Model 29 44 Magnum and the Model 57 41 Magnum revolvers. Given a choice and able to buy one or the other I would opt for the Model 27 over the Model 586 (the 586 being the 6 shot flavor of the Model 586). I have not seen a Model 27 with wooden display case in years and the Model 586 revolvers seem much easier to find. If nothing else I am opting for the Model 27 N Frame simply because of the heavier N Frame verse the lighter L frame. Both of the pictured revolvers shoot fine and for mine, I give the Model 27 a slight edge.
Your money and your choice. I am merely pointing out what my choice would be and why. Either revolver you will come away happy. Any gun on any given day is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, no more and no less. Long as the buyer and seller come away happy.
Ron
The standard grips, barely visible are laying in the box top.
The S&W Model 586
While both are fine revolvers they are also the classic apple and orange. I can't begin to place the heavier Model 27 N Frame on par with the Model 586 L Frame revolver. The heavier N Frame is the same Frame used on the S&W Model 29 44 Magnum and the Model 57 41 Magnum revolvers. Given a choice and able to buy one or the other I would opt for the Model 27 over the Model 586 (the 586 being the 6 shot flavor of the Model 586). I have not seen a Model 27 with wooden display case in years and the Model 586 revolvers seem much easier to find. If nothing else I am opting for the Model 27 N Frame simply because of the heavier N Frame verse the lighter L frame. Both of the pictured revolvers shoot fine and for mine, I give the Model 27 a slight edge.
Your money and your choice. I am merely pointing out what my choice would be and why. Either revolver you will come away happy. Any gun on any given day is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, no more and no less.
Long as the buyer and seller come away happy.Ron
NIGHTLORD40K
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I've had/ have both and would take the 586 all day if I had to choose between the two. In these parts, the 586 is much rarer as well.
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that much! WOW! I miss a - minus mint pre-27 short barrel for $1600… one of “though about it a few minutes too long” miss at my local honey hole
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I’d rather shoot a 586.
I’d also rather look at a 586 but that’s just me.
Three years ago I passed on a nice 586 for reasonable money. I’ve handled a lot of model 27s and they do nothing for me. They also seem to regularly bring 1200-1400 on Gunbroker in the wooden cases, so I’d never pay 1800+ for one. Nickel might bring more, but nickel also flakes so it’s not something I’m particularly interested in, on principle.
I’d also rather look at a 586 but that’s just me.
Three years ago I passed on a nice 586 for reasonable money. I’ve handled a lot of model 27s and they do nothing for me. They also seem to regularly bring 1200-1400 on Gunbroker in the wooden cases, so I’d never pay 1800+ for one. Nickel might bring more, but nickel also flakes so it’s not something I’m particularly interested in, on principle.
After considering everyone’s input, I went with the 586 for a few reasons. It’s a $1000 cheaper and just before Christmas that’s a consideration. The 586 shows very little use and I think it’d be harder to find another in this condition at less than $800. I think it’ll be easier to find another good example of a 27-2 at the price they are asking. I still want a 27-2 and will keep my eye out for a good one at a better price. Thanks for the help.
Gordon
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NEXT ! Get a 3.5" pinned and recessed Model 27, earlier the better,, keep your eyes out over the next years. A nickel one with out box will come up someday . Meanwhile that 586 you got is a primo gun , like a 6" Python but better in some ways IMHO.
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Jim Watson
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I think it is just so cute how everybody chases the -2s. When they were in production, 1962-1982, they were dismissed for being mere "3 screw" guns and the earlier 4 and 5 screw revolvers were what were sought after.
bangswitch
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It would be nice to know the age of the M27-2; they were made between 1961 and 1982. Just saying it is a dash-2 tells you it is P&R. There's lots of them out there, but like any older gun, it depends on what you want it for: collectible or range toy. 3-1/2", 5" and 6-1/2" barrels were discontinued in 1979 but up to that time the gun could be ordered with 3-1/2", 4", 5", 6", 6-1/2" and 8-3/8". If the gun is pre 1969 it will have a "S" prefix SN and brings more. Nickel always brings a premium over blued, usually about 25%. ANIB value on a blued M27-2 was listed as $1200 back in 2016, so a nickel one would have been $1500, so today you could expect over $2K for a nice example, with considerations for barrel length, S or N prefix and hammer/trigger configuration. Without pictures to see the condition, I'd only pay $1800 for one if it is 90% or better condition. Comparing the M27-2 to the M586 is like comparing a Caddy ElDorado to a Chevy Malibu, IMO. They'll both get you where you want to go, but the Caddy does it with style.
I bought this blued 6" M27-2 ANIB about 2-1/2 years ago, it letters to Feb. 1978. I gave $1750 for it.
After considering everyone’s input, I went with the 586 for a few reasons. It’s a $1000 cheaper and just before Christmas that’s a consideration. The 586 shows very little use and I think it’d be harder to find another in this condition at less than $800. I think it’ll be easier to find another good example of a 27-2 at the price they are asking for it. I still want a 27-2 and will keep my Thanks for the help.
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bangswitch
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My M29-2 is N662877 and letters to July 1979, so yours is earlier in that year. That's a really nice looking revolver, great color in the stocks. With papers and box, I'd give $1800 for it. It looks like a 6" barrel, though. Measure it from muzzle to front face of the cylinder.
bluetopper
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They can ask whatever they want but are they getting it?
Many people are. You can look at past sales on several gun sites. There are also a lot of these guns in fair to poor condition going for a lot less too.
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UncleEd
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My experience so take my comments for what they are.
The Models 27/28 (or just about any N-frame S&W) is right
at my discomfort level for griping and shooting double
action--just too big for the length of my fingers.
Also the N-frame bore axis I believe is too high
to be a comfortable magnum shooter. The L-frame
is much, much better in this regard.
The Models 586/686 were just what S&W needed.
Unfortunately, it came along just as the surge in
autos was about to begin.
IIRC, the president of S&W in the 1980s said the
company never expected such a wild demand
for autos in the poilice market. The auto was
seen as a military piece, not a firearm for the
majority of cops.
The Models 27/28 (or just about any N-frame S&W) is right
at my discomfort level for griping and shooting double
action--just too big for the length of my fingers.
Also the N-frame bore axis I believe is too high
to be a comfortable magnum shooter. The L-frame
is much, much better in this regard.
The Models 586/686 were just what S&W needed.
Unfortunately, it came along just as the surge in
autos was about to begin.
IIRC, the president of S&W in the 1980s said the
company never expected such a wild demand
for autos in the poilice market. The auto was
seen as a military piece, not a firearm for the
majority of cops.
The gun has to fit the shooter. I don't have any problems shooting either of my Model 29s and don't anticipate a model 27 would be any different.
