Pistol as gift

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We are Texas residents. My step-father is ex-military and for many years he has worked in law enforcement in some capacity. He offered to gift me an H&K VP9. Never wanting to look a gift horse in the mouth, I want it. However, I’m a new firearm owner, and don’t know how to transfer a firearm outside of an FFL. I have many rifles and pistols, but they are all new from established retailers. Im outside of my wheelhouse regarding private citizens so I’m open to any advice. Thanks for reading.
 
We are Texas residents. My step-father is ex-military and for many years he has worked in law enforcement in some capacity. He offered to gift me an H&K VP9. Never wanting to look a gift horse in the mouth, I want it. However, I’m a new firearm owner, and don’t know how to transfer a firearm outside of an FFL. I have many rifles and pistols, but they are all new from established retailers. Im outside of my wheelhouse regarding private citizens so I’m open to any advice. Thanks for reading.
If both parties are residents of Texas, all he has to do is hand you the gun. That's it.

If he is not a resident of Texas, he'll need to take or ship the firearm to a Texas dealer who will then transfer to you.
 
I am not familiar with Texas laws. But per federal laws he can gift you the pistol since you are both residents of the same state without having to go through a FFL. Those familiar with Texas laws will give you more information about state laws.
 
I’m a Texas resident also. The previous post is accurate, but I’ll add this- for my own peace of mind and record keeping, I would write up a Texas firearm bill of sale and have a copy for the donor and the recipient. The form is available on the Texas Gun Trader website. The top portion of the document, by your signature, asserts that you are legally allowed to have it in your possession, the bottom is proof of transfer. You can write zero in the amount, or one cent, it doesn’t matter. I would at the very least, keep a record of how I came to be in possession of it. D98E40D9-2D56-462F-A74A-DFC50984B471.png
 
Bills of sale like that make me weep.
-It doesn't provide any protection for the seller. If you sold to a prohibited person you violated federal law...that BOS doesn't immunize you.
-As a seller, do you really want to give your address to a buyer? You know, the place where you have more guns?
-As a buyer, do you really need to give your address to a seller? Other than those required to have your address (like an FFL), why not voluntarily give your address to the clerk at WalMart/Home Depot/Starbucks/etc?
-If you think those prohibited person questions on that BOS somehow protect you or ensure that your buyer is not a prohibited person you are a fool.
-Identity theft is always easier when you have as much personal information as you can get.

Heck I'm a gun dealer and wouldn't buy a gun from anyone that handed that form to me.
 
You can write zero in the amount, or one cent, it doesn’t matter. I would at the very least, keep a record of how I came to be in possession of it.
Given that it's a family member. maybe not. You do you. Maybe (only maybe) if the pistol in question is an enumerated item in an estate.

Oh, and Generally Accepted Practice, a "legal transfer of title" uses the language "ten ($10) dollars and such other consideration" to be valid. Formerly the language was "one dollar and such other consideration," but that was from the time when a dollar was a significant amount of exchange.
 
If I were taking custody of a gun in a private transfer (no FFL) the only thing I would want to establish would be the date I took possession. If it were an in-law or other relative I would just send a thank you by email on the date I took possession. That is the date you become responsible for the gun, and it is good to have a record of that date.
 
AFAIK and unless I’m wrong, I still have no legal duty to verify (background check) as an unlicensed ( no FFL) citizen whether anyone is a felon. Am I missing something?
 
You are under no legal obligation to verify anything, but if you have reason to suspect that the person receiving the gun is a prohibited person or the transfer might be illegal for some other reason, you need to take steps to deal with those doubts, or just stop the transaction.

Example 1: You take a gun to a gunshow and sell it to a third party. You guys talk--he gives you money, you give him the gun. You don't even need to ask his name.

Example 2: You take a handgun to a gunshow and a third party approaches you. You notice he appears to be very young. If a reasonable person would suspect that he is too young to legally possess a handgun, you'd better ask to see an ID to verify you're not selling to a prohibited person.

Example 3: You take a handgun to a gunshow and a third party approaches you about a trade. You go to the parking lot to complete the transaction and notice that the guy's car has out-of-state plates. At that point, you'd be wise to verify that he's a resident of your state before completing the transaction.

As far as the receipt goes, my general rule of thumb is that I don't keep records that the government doesn't require me to keep unless they provide some significant legal protection. Any evidence can and will be used against me if something goes wrong at some point, so if I don't derive some clear and significant benefit from making and keeping a record, I'm not going to do it.
 
I don’t like to put myself in a position of having to explain my actions. I keep my receipts and records accordingly.
 
Bills of sale like that make me weep.
-It doesn't provide any protection for the seller. If you sold to a prohibited person you violated federal law...that BOS doesn't immunize you.
-As a seller, do you really want to give your address to a buyer? You know, the place where you have more guns?
-As a buyer, do you really need to give your address to a seller? Other than those required to have your address (like an FFL), why not voluntarily give your address to the clerk at WalMart/Home Depot/Starbucks/etc?
-If you think those prohibited person questions on that BOS somehow protect you or ensure that your buyer is not a prohibited person you are a fool.
-Identity theft is always easier when you have as much personal information as you can get.

Heck I'm a gun dealer and wouldn't buy a gun from anyone that handed that form to me.

I use that BOS for every FTF purchase or sale I make. I do NOT however include either buyer or sellers personal information, just their names. A legal sale just requires a check of an ID to be sure they are a state resident, and them verbally attesting they are not prohibited. I just like having the BOS with their signature saying they are not prohibited.
 
I don’t like to put myself in a position of having to explain my actions. I keep my receipts and records accordingly.
Since you aren't required to keep records of your sales, if someone asks about a gun you sold, all you have to explain is that you sold it. That's it.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/wha...followed-when-two-unlicensed-individuals-want

"When a transaction takes place between unlicensed persons who reside in the same state, the Gun Control Act (GCA) does not require any record keeping."

On the other hand, if you do keep receipts and records and those records seem to incriminate you (say a gun you owned turns out to have been stolen before you received it or a person you sell to turns out to be a prohibited person) then you might end up doing a lot more in the way of explaining your actions.

The way I see it, you have two choices if you want to avoid explaining your actions:

1. Do all your sales through FFLs or sell only to FFLs so that the next buyer is background checked and if there's a question, you can just refer those questions to the FFL. If you think records are good, then go all the way and let a licensee generate and maintain the records under penalty of federal law. This means that they take the responsibility if records are incorrect or go missing.

2. Keep no records at all of guns that you no longer own. Then if someone asks about one, your only explanation would be: "I don't know if I ever owned that gun because I don't keep records of guns I no longer own. If I did ever own it, I don't know where it went after I owned it because I don't keep records of the guns I no longer own."
A legal sale just requires a check of an ID to be sure they are a state resident, and them verbally attesting they are not prohibited.
You are not required to check their ID nor are you required to get them to attest to their status either verbally or otherwise.

The exception would be if you have reason to believe that they are prohibited. Then you would either need to check to make sure they aren't or stop the transaction.

One thing to keep in mind is that if you voluntarily take it upon yourself to create and maintain records and do checks on your firearm sales, you need to do a good job of it. Even though you aren't required to do those things, if you CHOOSE to do them and then do a shoddy job of it, that could reflect poorly on you and may even be seen as evidence of guilt. Say, for example, if one of your records goes missing or turns out to have incorrect information, or if one of your checks fails to identify a prohibited person that should have been easy to detect.

So, Mr. ____, you expect us to believe that you do checks on all the buyers of your guns but when you checked ____ you failed to determine that he didn't live in your state? What sort of check did you do? Perhaps you didn't really do any check at all, but have falsified a record in an attempt to cover up the fact that you knowingly sold to a prohibited person.

So, Mr.____, you expect us to believe that you diligently keep records of all your firearm sales, but somehow the receipt for the gun you sold to _____ has gone missing. How could a thing like that happen? Perhaps you destroyed evidence to hide the fact that you knowingly sold to a prohibited person.
 
hoardingthemanual: It's exactly the same as here in TN.

About six days ago I met with a very familiar Gun Trading Buddy (obviously a TN resident) in a mostly-quiet side parking lot of a Tractor Supply store.

I sold him a very high quality CZ 9mm plus a very high quality imported AKM. I wanted most of the cash necessary for a rifle which is Very long overdue (M1A, now shipping).
He is a software engineer and a very responsible, peaceful, law-abiding gent.

Comments here by Moderator JohnKSa explain very clearly how our Proper Application of common sense basically is all that is needed. What he summarizes is what is necessary for gun deals with total strangers. You clearly see the difference?

And with Your familiarity with a non-felon, non drug-user, "Non Wifebeater" "Non-Mental Case" etc, law-abiding relative who wants to give or sell us/ buy a gun is probably the best situation of all.
There's no reason to be paranoid.
 
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God Bless Texas, for sure. We got UBCs foisted on us, did away with being able to take possession same day for CPL holders, gotta go through an FFL, so minimum 10 day wait which is now running around 15 days. Ah, for the good ol' days of face to face sales or transfers.
 
As a Texan I've done this all my life. This only applies to family or friends I know. If it is one of my firearms I have purchased and I am offering as a gift all I do is say...here it's yours, or happy birthday or whatever. If it is a new gun purchase at a store, I just check the box on the form that says I am buying it as a gift, or words to that affect. If I am selling a firearm to a stranger I ask to see their drivers license and their license to carry card. Both licenses must be for the state of Texas. This is just me doing it this way.
 
Unsurprisingly, @dogtown tom and @JohnKSa have hit the nail on the head. Neither TX (nor my home state of AR) require any kind of paperwork for a private-party transfer. (Mind you, I haven't researched the issue, but they'd have been the first guys I asked, anyway.)

As for me, and for whatever it's worth (which is what you've paid for it), I don't keep records of my firearms transfers. I'm not an FFL, I'm not 'engaged in the business' of selling firearms, and I'm not required to keep such records, so I don't. I figure it's easier to explain that I don't keep records, than to explain a lost record or incorrect information. Again, FWIW and YMMV.
 
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