Sam1911
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You know, I could probably change your username to "Mr. Mister Hoofan."
Pistols with "wings"?
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You know, I could probably change your username to "Mr. Mister Hoofan."
DeepSouth
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I think I vaguely remember someone making a rear slide plate thingy for Glocks that had little wings on it.
Like others have said, I don't think its an original idea
Like others have said, I don't think its an original idea
sauer1911
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If your significant other has you believing they can't rack the slide, just remember who bears the children of this world. 
Proper technique taught and ANYONE can manipulate their significant other and a slide on a pistol too!
be real and be safe.
Proper technique taught and ANYONE can manipulate their significant other and a slide on a pistol too!
be real and be safe.
hamp sandwich
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Well, maybe some people will love it, but I'm certainly not the target market...
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Time has not been my friend. It's got to the point of using a empty mag to lock the slide back, oldsters will know that drill. this "new addition" for autos makes sense, why others haven't thought of it first is interesting to say the least. There is an aftermarket company that is making a replacement rear cover for glocks that have much smaller wings, but wings just the same. I might as well go ahead and order this part as it's really just a question of time.
jerkface11
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Why don't they just copy the JO-LO-AR? http://www.historicalfirearms.info/post/46441247840/jo-lo-ar-this-unusual-spanish-pistol-dating-from
danez71
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Whoa... slow your roll, Sam
1st, he must stand, and deliver, if he's going to make those types of comments.
leadcounsel
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I think it's a dumb gimmick. Not for me, and I see a lot of tactical problems with it (slow, snag prone, etc.).
But I understand the rationale. Innovation is crucial for success in this competitive industry. Gun owners are a saturated market and they need to branch out to attract non-gun types (like frail men and women). I've had healthy adult male friends that shamefully couldn't rack the pistol slide.
It takes almost no strength to rack a pistol slide. Sure, maybe some unique individuals cannot, but that's an exception to the norm? This product is what is borne from people not wanting to learn proper technique.
But I understand the rationale. Innovation is crucial for success in this competitive industry. Gun owners are a saturated market and they need to branch out to attract non-gun types (like frail men and women). I've had healthy adult male friends that shamefully couldn't rack the pistol slide.
It takes almost no strength to rack a pistol slide. Sure, maybe some unique individuals cannot, but that's an exception to the norm? This product is what is borne from people not wanting to learn proper technique.
leadcounsel, how old are you?
You may think proper technique is enough, but give yourself another 20 years, 30 years, then we'll see how your attitude may change.
Some people may not have the ability to grasp and rack a slide as easily anymore.
The strongest of men (and women) can decline as they age, or suffer from afflictions.
You may think proper technique is enough, but give yourself another 20 years, 30 years, then we'll see how your attitude may change.
Some people may not have the ability to grasp and rack a slide as easily anymore.
The strongest of men (and women) can decline as they age, or suffer from afflictions.
TimboKhan
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My dad loves wings because he simply hasn't the grip to rack slides on most pistols anymore. Say what you want about overhand racks or whatever other technique that you believe makes this a bad idea, but for some people grip-finger strength is an issue.
My dad is damn near 80 and has Parkinson's disease and as recently as a year ago I watched him win a $20 bill at the range shooting a Tokarev (which he now favors because he can easily pull the slide back, by the way) at a 25 yard bullseye target against some young fool that thought the old man was easy pickings. If wings help him, and they do on his Glock, I am certainly not going to explain to him that he isn't racking his slide with the proper technique.
Besides all that, wings aren't a new idea and even tacticool zombie slayers like them for when their hands are slick with the ichor of their undead neighbors.
My dad is damn near 80 and has Parkinson's disease and as recently as a year ago I watched him win a $20 bill at the range shooting a Tokarev (which he now favors because he can easily pull the slide back, by the way) at a 25 yard bullseye target against some young fool that thought the old man was easy pickings. If wings help him, and they do on his Glock, I am certainly not going to explain to him that he isn't racking his slide with the proper technique.
Besides all that, wings aren't a new idea and even tacticool zombie slayers like them for when their hands are slick with the ichor of their undead neighbors.
danez71
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Browning added built-in fixed wings on some of the BuckMarks several years ago. They're more like nubs but same concept.
I think is a good concept. I doubt I would break one but I can envision it happening enough times for it to become internet fodder.
I think is a good concept. I doubt I would break one but I can envision it happening enough times for it to become internet fodder.
SC Shooter
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To me, the wings detract from the overall appearance of the weapon. Even when folded in, they impact the fit, finish, and looks. A quality weapon should have at least three requirements: accuracy, dependability, and appearance. To me one of the most beautiful handguns around is the basic full sized 1911. Start adding an adjustable rear site and such and you have a clunky looking gun. I am told by my wife that I am a typical visual male. Oh well, I have learned to live with that quite happily.
That's exactly my feeling. This is one company that is not afraid to go out on a limb and to innovate. I love that. The curved pistol, the "view" revolver, their PCC that came out when everyone else was abandoning them, etc... etc... You have to hand it to them. They are really willing to put themselves out there and take risks where other companies are playing it safe.
Heck, as far as I know, they were the first to bring out a sub $600 1911 that had all the bells and whistles of what was, at the time, only in much more expensive guns. Now look at the competition in that market. Same with the Judge revolver. Gimmicky though they may be, dealers can't keep them on the shelves even now, years later, and they thrived where the Thunder 5 failed.
While they have their boogers (and what company doesn't?), I really give them major credit.
Absolutely true. I know a petite, frail, cancer survivor who could really benefit from a slide racker. I also know a guy with neuropathy that would love a slide racker. I have friends who work in retail sales (and know what they are doing) that have seen many customers that would benefit from the "wings".
Combat Engineer
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For 60 plus folks (with medical motor challenges, like my mom, i.e. arthritis, etc.) this is an innovation that is a real necessity...remember its the weak and the elderly who are often the victims of crime.
Kudos to Taurus! ... they deserve an award for making the world safer for mom and pop.
Kudos to Taurus! ... they deserve an award for making the world safer for mom and pop.
Carl N. Brown
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My Ruger Mark II and Mauser C96 have bolts with "wings". No problem.
My 1911A1 clone, CZ52, H&K USP do not have wings, just serrations at the back of the slides. I often have to work their slides by pinching and pulling the fronts of the slide back. The conventional way is harder and harder as I age.
On the Taurus illustrated, I think the wings are larger than need be.
My 1911A1 clone, CZ52, H&K USP do not have wings, just serrations at the back of the slides. I often have to work their slides by pinching and pulling the fronts of the slide back. The conventional way is harder and harder as I age.
On the Taurus illustrated, I think the wings are larger than need be.
BCRider
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Instead of wings like this what about a slide with larger and more prominent gripping grooves? If done with the correct sort of profile they would not catch on a holster or clothing but would give the user a better grip on the slide while using the lower hand pressure ability that is often the problem.
Having helped a number of women learn to rack slides on semis while I was an RO at one range for a while I found that it wasn't the arm strength as much as the power in the grip of the hand. Even with the optimum over hand four finger method some of them just could not get enough grip power on the slide.
But most slides are quire smooth with only the usual minimalist grip areas at the rear. If the gripping grooves covered the whole rear sides of the slide and even over the top rear even a light grip would generate a lot more grip on the slide.
I would prefer a passive option such as this to wings that need to be snapped out to use and could be subject to being easily broken.
Speaking of which has anyone ever stuck a big patch of grip tape over the rear half of the slide to try such a thing? It's not a perfect fix because it would abrade and drag on a holster. But it would prove out the idea or not.
Having helped a number of women learn to rack slides on semis while I was an RO at one range for a while I found that it wasn't the arm strength as much as the power in the grip of the hand. Even with the optimum over hand four finger method some of them just could not get enough grip power on the slide.
But most slides are quire smooth with only the usual minimalist grip areas at the rear. If the gripping grooves covered the whole rear sides of the slide and even over the top rear even a light grip would generate a lot more grip on the slide.
I would prefer a passive option such as this to wings that need to be snapped out to use and could be subject to being easily broken.
Speaking of which has anyone ever stuck a big patch of grip tape over the rear half of the slide to try such a thing? It's not a perfect fix because it would abrade and drag on a holster. But it would prove out the idea or not.
NWcityguy2
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The comments about the wings being slow don't make any sense. No one is suggesting that someone wait to chamber a round until a life threatening encounter, because the gun has wings.
kBob
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I think it is rather obvious which ones of us have taught a number of folks qualified for social security, especially women, with no previous handgun experience and those who have not.
Not even older ladies can have problems with grip strength. Believe it or don't I had a 20 something geekish officer worker GUY that ended up going the DA revolver route because jacking back the slide was a real difficulty for him.
One lady I taught is still a revolver person but she wanted the option of using a semi auto. She just did not have the grip to work a slide......until she spent a couple of weeks using one of the old clothes pin spring type grip excercisers upside down to develop grip with the thumb and trigger finger of each hand.
She them went on to cock p7s and 1911 with 21 pound springs without cocking the hammer first.
If Taurus wants to bring something like this to market, good on them!
Don't like it? Don't buy it.
-kBob
Not even older ladies can have problems with grip strength. Believe it or don't I had a 20 something geekish officer worker GUY that ended up going the DA revolver route because jacking back the slide was a real difficulty for him.
One lady I taught is still a revolver person but she wanted the option of using a semi auto. She just did not have the grip to work a slide......until she spent a couple of weeks using one of the old clothes pin spring type grip excercisers upside down to develop grip with the thumb and trigger finger of each hand.
She them went on to cock p7s and 1911 with 21 pound springs without cocking the hammer first.
If Taurus wants to bring something like this to market, good on them!
Don't like it? Don't buy it.
-kBob
leadcounsel
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Instead of wings, perhaps just increase spending on quality control to avoid needing to rack the weapon to clear a malfunction.
I'm jesting of course.
But in seriousness, I recognize it's a problem for a niche market, and I see the business angle to capture a niche market. I currently don't have a use for it - maybe I will down the road. Who knows.
I'm jesting of course.
But in seriousness, I recognize it's a problem for a niche market, and I see the business angle to capture a niche market. I currently don't have a use for it - maybe I will down the road. Who knows.
WestKentucky
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Most accurate and dependable guns I have ever had in my hand were taurus guns. I also own S&W, ruger, have had kimber, colt, and others.the fact that you choose to bash taurus for the sake of it being a taurus shows idiocy of the fact that they put out some high quality guns. Often times the "it's a taurus" line is followed by "automatically inferior to ________", guess what buddy, _______ makes junk just like everybody does. It's their reaction to putting out crap that makes the name. For me, Taurus took care of me, Ruger was nearly offensively blatant in refusing to even discuss a chattered barrel and oversize bore on two different guns. To each his own, but please don't bash a company for the sake of bashing a company.Silly
1. It's a Taurus
2. Prevents shooters from properly learning how to manipulate the slide
3. Still a Taurus
Off the soapbox...the wings seem kinda niche, and to an early point in this thread, seems inferior to the tipup idea. I sometimes wonder why we don't see attachment points for cocking aids, but good technique DOES fix 90% of the problem
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