plated vs hardcast velocites

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I've been using xtreme plated for 45 acp, 38/357 and 147 9mm. I've never paid much attention to the higher velocities the plated can be pushed since I have the 45 acp around 850 fps, 38 in the 600- 700s and 147 9mmm about 950. I've used the 38s for 357 load so far with 800X @1050.

I'm about to place an order for coated hard cast bullets with sns(BH16-17). How fast can I push these bullets for 357 and 44mag(for a future gun). I have 4227 and 800x, unique and bullesye and I think 296 or 2400 can occasionally be found in the new reloading shop I discovered.

Any difference in with lube groove vs no groove in performance for a coated bullet?
 
Im shooting soft(half wheel weight, half pure soft lead) 158gr powder coated bullets with middle of the road(15.5gr) jacketed w296 loads. Great accuracy and no hint of barrel fouling.
 
Some vendors offer powder coated bullets and they have been tested to 2700 fps (like Harbor Freight red) but the degree of success (in terms of no leading, accuracy, etc.) also depends on the quality and hardness of the lead alloy used.

Many vendors offer Hi-Tek (J&M of Australia) coated bullets like Donnie Miculek of Bayou Bulllets (Brother of Jerry Miculek) and many claim no leading up to 3200 fps on forums but Donnie recommends use of lead load data for his coated bullets - http://www.bayoubullets.net/about-our-bullets/

Missouri Bullet Company offers the new Hi-Tek 2 Extreme coated bullets and also sells the coating (5% THR discount with THR-Original code) - http://missouribullet.com/results.php?category=23
 
Haven't had the opportunity to do much accuracy testing, but I just chrony tested some MBC 180 gr Hi-Tek coated .357 bullets at 1140 psi in my revolver and 1550 fps in my levergun using H110. Had no leading in either.

The MBC bullet does have the lube and crimp grooves which I assume are identical to the hard cast bullets of the same weight/shape.
 
I recently worked up a load for MBC coated Zingers. They are going about 1300 fps. I have shot close to 2k in the past few weeks. I get absolutely zero leading.
 
The problem with plated bullets is they are usually a softer lead, and the plating is there to mask the symptoms of improper loading, which is leading, which is the standard everybody seems to use for whether its a good load.

Soft lead works great and very accurrate at lower pressures, and plating is a good cure for minor leading, and can allow you to drive it a little faster without leading. This cleans up a lot of very minor issues in semi-autos, which have a limited range in which they function BUT when you start pushing them at magnum velocities in revolvers, they begin causing problems you don't see as obvious barrel leading.

The pressure from ignition makes the base of your bullet expand to a tight fit. the softer the lead, the easier it expands. In a revolver, the chamber is not directly attached to the barrel, so your bullet can over expand before it goes into the forcing cone and is squeezed back down to barrel size. The more a bullet expands, the more undue wear on the forcing cone, and the more pressure build behind the bullet. On an unplated bullet, you would see excessive leading, and back off your load. Plated bullets may hide that symptom. I've seen very little reloading data that actually does pressure testing on plated and coated bullets. Freedom Arms warned extensively about the accelerated wear on the forcing cone from standard soft lead core jacketed bullets, and the importance of thick jacketed, harden core bullets in the .454 Casull when it was first released. While .357 and .44 don't carry near these pressures, the principle is the same, and coatings do not equal copper jackets when it comes to helping the bullets hold their shape.

What this means is that it is still important to know and understand the hardness of the bullet under the plating or coating, because while it reduces leading, it does not reduce bullet expansion.

Exposed lead is a natural lubricant, and once you coat it, it takes more pressure to get a bullet moving. This is why it is recommened to not drop below jacketed STARTING load data. Softer coated bullets should not be driven much faster than uncoated cold swaged bullets. This is why it is recommended to not exceed mid range jacketed data with soft lead coated bullets.

In this case the OP, is using a plated bullet with hardened lead core of BRN16-17 whcih will probably work well in the tradition magnums, but I would not try to duplicate his efforts with plated soft lead bullets.
 
How about a bit of history? :D

Long before jacketed/plated bullets, there was only bare naked pure lead bullets.

Pure lead was alloyed with other metals to make it harder so bullets could be pushed faster.

When lead alloy bullets were pushed too fast to avoid leading, gas checks were used to protect the bullet base from gas cutting/bullet base erosion.

Essentially jacketed/plated bullets are lead bullets with full-length gas checks. ;)

Now we have powder/Hi-Tek coated bullets which are still essentially full-length gas checked bullets but made from non-metal materials good to 2700-3200 fps without leading that anyone with a toaster oven can easily apply to their lead alloy bullets.

You gotta love technology.
 
Out of curiosity, does the hi-tek or the powder coated bullets wear on your bore any faster than lead or traditional jacketed?
 
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