Please define "brush gun" for me...???

[JohnB-40]

My brush carbine...CZ 527 5.56 with 1x4-20 Leupold with German #4 reticle

 

[herrwalther]

If they did, it was nonsense when they wrote it and anyone who might be mislead by it should know that there isn’t a ballistic calculous for any projectile in existence that’s impervious to the effects of branches and twigs

There is a reason why I don't buy or subscribe to the typical gun rags. Only flip through them when waiting for the misses to get done her shopping. In addition to reading about how "X is the best thing ever" I love reading about the "next big thing" that flops the next go around. Most recent, 30 Super Carry.

 

[Nature Boy]

Nothing is impervious but larger, heavier bullets do deflect less than lighter, speedier ones. It's true "in" the target, it's true beforehand.

Deflect more, deflect less, doesn’t matter. You’re adding uncertainty to the outcome if you shoot through brush.

Isaac Newton > Gun rag writers

 

[CraigC]

Deflect more, deflect less, doesn’t matter. You’re adding uncertainty to the outcome if you shoot through brush.

Isaac Newton > Gun rag writers

Nothing is certain.

You don't even have to shoot through obvious brush. Where I hunt, you can't always see the branches and twigs that may be between point A and point B.

 

[9x56MS]

Deflect more, deflect less, doesn’t matter. You’re adding uncertainty to the outcome if you shoot through brush.

Isaac Newton > Gun rag writers

Remember nothing is immune to the laws of physics. Do they even still teach physics in high schools anymore?

 

[Show Me]

Over the years whether walking or in a stand in the woods a stick or limb can tip your bullet. 223 that went in at 45 degrees or a 400 gr 45 70 that hit my buck sideways. Dead but odd

 

[Chuck R.]

Nothing is certain.

You don't even have to shoot through obvious brush. Where I hunt, you can't always see the branches and twigs that may be between point A and point B.

I'm guessing a lot of guys have issues dealing with any amount of uncertainty.

Maybe everybody's just gotten too used to clear fields of fire over-watching feeders and food plots with relaxed deer??

I'm pretty sure that evidence, tests, personal opinion, leads us to the conclusion that all bullets deflect, but some can deflect less that others. So IF my environment/hunting conditions dictates the possibility of having to shoot through brush, (and I can deal with a certain amount of uncertainty), I'd choose one of the cartridge's that has a better chance of deflecting less.

 

[9x56MS]

I'm guessing a lot of guys have issues dealing with any amount of uncertainty.

Maybe everybody's just gotten too used to clear fields of fire over-watching feeders and food plots with relaxed deer??

I'm pretty sure that evidence, tests, personal opinion, leads us to the conclusion that all bullets deflect, but some can deflect less that others. So IF my environment/hunting conditions dictates the possibility of having to shoot through brush, (and I can deal with a certain amount of uncertainty), I'd choose one of the cartridge's that has a better chance of deflecting less.

If most shots are less than 100 yards that would be a shotgun with slugs.

 

[CraigC]

Maybe everybody's just gotten too used to clear fields of fire over-watching feeders and food plots with relaxed deer??

I think that is a very good possibility. There's definitely a prevailing thought that all game are shot standing dead still, with a perfect broadside presentation, only one shot is ever taken and the shooter has all day to take that shot. There's never an obstruction or a quartering presentation. God forbid a critter moves. It's 100% perfection, 100% of the time. I don't buy it.

 

[bassjam]

Nothing is impervious but larger, heavier bullets do deflect less than lighter, speedier ones. It's true "in" the target, it's true beforehand.

Probably the 2nd or 3rd deer I ever shot was with a 1oz 12ga foster slug and it's also the only time I needed a second shot, because of deflection from a twig. She was standing still and broadside, 30 yards away, a sure thing in my mind. I fired, she collapsed, but then to my surprise got up on her front legs and tried her best to drag her body but her hind legs were completely paralyzed. I walked to about 5 yards, waited until she stopped moving and put a slug through here brain and then started figuring out why my shot had hit her square in the top of the spine just in front of her hips, way above and behind where I was aiming. Not 15 yards from where I was sitting on the ground I found a little sapling freshly snapped off about 2ft from the ground, it wasn't any larger than 1/8" diameter. In the early early dawn light I hadn't seen it, but it was enough to deflect that slug more than 12" for the remaining 15 yards of travel. You're right a lighter bullet probably would have been sent further off course, but I was still amazed how far that little sapling could push a 1oz slug!

 

[tjmga]

I think the title "brush" gun should be thought of as the opposite of "open country" gun. I think peope have been trying to "find" a definition for the term brush gun. As compared to a long barrel, long range, the brush gun has a shorter barrel for manuvering in thick forest as compared to open country. It can't shoot straight thru oak trees and hit a bulls eye on the other side.
tj

 

[JumboJVT]

I always wanted a little Model 7 in 7mm08. Thought it'd be a great all around, tidy little rifle.

You know, I bought one for my wife in 308. Nice little handy gun. But at 6'2", 285# I find it terrifically whippy to shoot even at a stationary target, let alone a mover. Follow though seems impossible. I bobbed a standard barrel tang-safety Ruger 77 308 to 18.5". Its alot heavier than the M7 at the same length (8-10 oz?) but points and swings much better for me. But I still use the same old 22" 270W 77 that I've been using tracking in the brush, on a stand, during drives for 40+ years. Dance with the one that brung ya.

 

[JumboJVT]

Maybe everybody's just gotten too used to clear fields of fire over-watching feeders and food plots with relaxed deer??

I think that is a very good possibility. There's definitely a prevailing thought that all game are shot standing dead still, with a perfect broadside presentation, only one shot is ever taken and the shooter has all day to take that shot. There's never an obstruction or a quartering presentation. God forbid a critter moves. It's 100% perfection, 100% of the time. I don't buy it.

Yep. More shooters, fewer hunters. Of course, shooting a running deer is alot easier in the brush at 30 yds than at 300 yds across a beanfield. But you need to get within 30 yds to know that