Pocket Carry - the RIGHT way
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That's too bad. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not everyone can be right. As previously noted, my way is the right way, and your way can only be right if it agrees with mine.
Don't you need someone like me to remind you that you are WRONG all the time?
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You can be right on Opposite Days only. That's the one and only day I'll admit I'm wrong.That's too bad. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not everyone can be right. As previously noted, my way is the right way, and your way can only be right if it agrees with mine.
Don't you need someone like me to remind you that you are WRONG all the time?
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PWC
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Opinions are like a'holes....everyone has one; most people sit on them most of the time, other people feel they have to moon the world
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I guess if you miss the catch you might still have a chance because the bad guy is laughing too hard to hurt you.
If I use the SP101 and work on my aim, that chunky little Ruger would knock someone out if it hit them in the head.
JTQ
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"Cocked and locked" usually implies a manual safety, with the hammer cocked and the manual safety engaged, as would be found on a single action pistol like a 1911 or Browning Hi-Power, and doesn't refer to the presences of a firing pin block.
JTQ
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He said, and bolded by me for clarity ...
He didn't mention "Cocked and Locked" in relation to striker fired pistols, that was you. I was clarifying a gun like a Glock, for instance, would not be referred to as being "cocked and locked", since while they are "cocked", they aren't "locked" because they don't have a manual safety.
This thread reminds me when a friend was giving me grief about caring a 380. said you need a real gun. So when we went to his house I put my super Redhawk in the bandolier holster under a jacket. when he asked if I got a real gun I opened my jacket and asked is that enough gun for you?
JTQ
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You said "Cocked and Locked" that was what I was commenting on.
You referenced sgt127 later, but you misquoted him. He said "unlocked" not "locked".
Edit to add: Perhaps you had a typo in one of your posts that you're not aware of, which could be causing the confusion on my part.
Awesome! For some reason, those Redhawks don't come in 380... just not enough BOOM for the frame, I imagine!
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I’ll jump in. Glocks are semi cocked. Maybe not quite enough to fire. But, there’s quite a bit of stored energy.
The new Genre of striker fired pistols are cocked. Pretty much fully cocked. The sear is just a trap door that releases the striker.
Many of them do not have a manual safety. Though a few do. My P365 does. So they can’t be “locked”.
I find it amusing though when people point out all the safeties on 5 pound trigger, striker fired pistols.
Let’s take a Series 80 Government model.
It has a firing pin safety. Like a striker fired.
And a grip safety. That most don’t.
And, a thumb safety, that most don’t.
Yet, no one extolls the virtue of carrying a series 80 1911 cocked and unlocked (safety off). Though, in reality, mechanically, it’s the same thing and actually has the benefit of a grip safety.
The new Genre of striker fired pistols are cocked. Pretty much fully cocked. The sear is just a trap door that releases the striker.
Many of them do not have a manual safety. Though a few do. My P365 does. So they can’t be “locked”.
I find it amusing though when people point out all the safeties on 5 pound trigger, striker fired pistols.
Let’s take a Series 80 Government model.
It has a firing pin safety. Like a striker fired.
And a grip safety. That most don’t.
And, a thumb safety, that most don’t.
Yet, no one extolls the virtue of carrying a series 80 1911 cocked and unlocked (safety off). Though, in reality, mechanically, it’s the same thing and actually has the benefit of a grip safety.
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trackskippy
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I still dont see or understand what the issue is here with either, other than lack of training and maybe some perceived fear plays a bigger issue for some, and the thought of a safety or safeties, just makes them feel better. False security at best, but, whatever.
I do think a lot of people put too much trust and faith in manual safeties, and expect them to make up for their lack of whatever when it comes to their gun handling. They wont, and for those people, I wouldnt be surprised if, down the road, even with the added safeties, they still had some sort of issue because of it.
Manual safeties or not, your base handling skills need to be those of a gun that doesn't have a manual safety. The added safeties really just add another level of complexity to things, and people need to understand that, and the fact they arent infallible also needs to be understood.
And, barring a mechanical failure, any safety issues you might have with the gun, any gun, is not the fault of the gun. The source of that problem will always be looking back at you in the mirror.
I do think a lot of people put too much trust and faith in manual safeties, and expect them to make up for their lack of whatever when it comes to their gun handling. They wont, and for those people, I wouldnt be surprised if, down the road, even with the added safeties, they still had some sort of issue because of it.
Manual safeties or not, your base handling skills need to be those of a gun that doesn't have a manual safety. The added safeties really just add another level of complexity to things, and people need to understand that, and the fact they arent infallible also needs to be understood.
And, barring a mechanical failure, any safety issues you might have with the gun, any gun, is not the fault of the gun. The source of that problem will always be looking back at you in the mirror.
DustyGmt
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I pocket carried for years, LCP in an uncle Mike's and still carry it from time to time. I always put it in my weak side (left) front pocket because I wasn't willing to boot my knife out of my strong (right) side pocket since I use it every day so I just practiced drawing lefty and shooting lefty even though getting the gun to my right hand takes a ¼ second. I couldn't hit well with that particular gun shooting lefty but it forced me to practice anyway, which is good.
The only thing is, every once in a while when I was working I would hear a small "click" sound when I was reaching or leaning pressed up against something and inadvertently actuation the mag release, which could be a disaster scenario, luckily the LCP has a very distinct and noticeable sound when the mag pops and you can feel it.....
The only thing is, every once in a while when I was working I would hear a small "click" sound when I was reaching or leaning pressed up against something and inadvertently actuation the mag release, which could be a disaster scenario, luckily the LCP has a very distinct and noticeable sound when the mag pops and you can feel it.....
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On the issue of carrying "cocked and locked" or the term I usually say for my striker fired guns "racked and ready", I have gone back and fourth on that over the years, I need to make a decision on that and stick with it. I like what I heard once a while back and don't know who to attribute it to but saying you'll just rack the slide on your gun when the time comes is like saying you'll just put your seat belt on when you get into a car accident.
I have been pocket carrying for over 25 years. My recommendation to first get some comfortable, loose fitting pants. I like cargo pants for off duty wear. The gun is less likely to print then. Wearing your shirt out or with a jacket also works.
Best of all, get a good holster, that is comfortable FOR YOU, for that specific gun. I use the de SANTIS Nemesis for my GLOCK 42 and NAA Guardian .32ACP. I prefer a leather holster with my S&W 36 or BERETTA Tomcat. I also use leather with my SIG 365.
Jim
Best of all, get a good holster, that is comfortable FOR YOU, for that specific gun. I use the de SANTIS Nemesis for my GLOCK 42 and NAA Guardian .32ACP. I prefer a leather holster with my S&W 36 or BERETTA Tomcat. I also use leather with my SIG 365.
Jim
In the spirit of this thread- Anyone who carries a striker fired pistol loaded and chambered in their pocket is certifiably insane. And I don't give a ____ what kind of holster you have. And to be clear I am someone who is mostly right all of the time so you can do it if you want but just know that the mental gymnastics you have to go through with your trigger safeties and good holsters doesn't make you right or even smart.
And when another always right poster like me wants to start a thread about aiming their striker fired 9mm at their manhood in an AIWB holster then you can take my above quote, remove the part about pocket, and insert AIWB, and will equally apply.
And when another always right poster like me wants to start a thread about aiming their striker fired 9mm at their manhood in an AIWB holster then you can take my above quote, remove the part about pocket, and insert AIWB, and will equally apply.
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LOL. OK then.
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Don't you need someone like me to remind you that you are WRONG all the time?
It's why I got into Hollywood, gotta show you plebs who the REAL action heros are..
Back to OP, I actually tuck a gun under my rolls of fat. It keeps it warm and sticky for an easy grip.
WisBorn
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I thought that is why I got marriedDon't you need someone like me to remind you that you are WRONG all the time?
DustyGmt
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I wish I could do bibs, and admire those that wear bibs everyday, committed. I know a couple that do, since I have never seen them in anything but overalls. I applaud and admire the style, it just doesn't work for me, but I wish it did. Seems like an excellent way to conceal a gun in a number of ways....
