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I've carried full size autos for a very, very long time. On occasion though that's not practical.

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I'm looking into pocket carry and have a few questions.

I'm thinking revolver - something like a S&W 640 or 642. Both models come with a CT laser grip option. Are the Laser Grips worth it? Or superflous at the 5 to 10 yard range the 1 7/8" barreled snubbie would be useful at.

How about recoil on a 15 oz handgun firing .38 spcl +P's - that may not be a very pleasant experience. I'm just guessing though since I've only fired .38's out of a 686 w/5" bbl and recoil is almost non-existent on it but then it weighs twice+ what the 640/642 weighs.

I'd carry in a pocket holster - what holster would you guys recommend. Will a pocket holster fit comfortably in jeans?

Inquiring minds want to know...
 
I wouldn't get the lasergrips but then I old fashion. The +P aren't all that bad I got the old standby 158 LSWCHP +P in my old mod 60 at present. Most practice with regular 38 and then a few +P and end. I carry in jeans and never a problem ,everyone has pocket holsters for a snub.I used to carry my PPK/s in my pocket but more and more the snub is finding it way into my pocket.
 
I pocket carry S&W 342 .38 or 331 .32 mag. and am extremely happy with the pocket holster from www.andrewsleather.com.

As for recoil in the 342 .38spl, I practice some and load for carry the Speer GD 135s they are designed and loaded for snubbie 38s. I don't think you can beat them for velocity and expansion performance from short barrelled 38s.
 
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I carry a S&W Model 342. I usually carry it in the front pocket of shorts or rear pocket of jeans. I use an Uncle Mikes pocket holster size 3, they run around 12 dollars. You can't go wrong with the 642 or 442. Good Luck.
 
My 2 cents...

I had a 12 oz Smith 38 snub, I forget the model. I had a heck of a time hitting anything with it, so I sold it after a box of PMC lead ammo. So I wasn't even shooting the hot stuff.

I came to realize, I *think* it was more the trigger than recoil that was causing my problems. I overload my 8 oz Kel Tec .380 by 25% and I have no problems with it. And I have no problems with the Kahr with Win White Box.
 
I'm a big fan of the S&W 642 (a truly great revolver) and the 637 ... the Airweights are excellent carry pieces, but with +P -- for me, anyway, call me a wuss if you want -- the recoil is not pleasant at all. I put a lot of rounds downrange before I got proficient with these revolvers.

Just my view, but I don't see the need for laser sighting on snubbies at all.

Picked up an old Ahearn pocket holster that works quite well. The Uncle Mike's just seem to flimsy to me and don't obscure the shape of the gun when worn in some pants nearly as well as a good leather pocket holster ... The Ahearn works well in jeans for me as long as they're more "relaxed fit" and not my normal cowboy-cut Wranglers ...
 
I carry a nickeled 442 with CT lasergrips. The lasergrips make any snubby into an effective 15+ yard weapon instead of a 7 yard weapon. At the same time, they enable accurate & easily placed shots at 7 yards.

The LG-205 are smaller, hard-polymer grips - the LG-305 are larger rubber grips. Most people feel the 205's are better for carry purposes; they print less, and catch less on fabrics. People who have large hands or are insecure in their grip like the 305's better. The 305's "feel" better due to their softer surface.

Recoil is not a problem with normal .38's - I can't speak for the +P's. I carry Federal 110 grain Hydra-Shok's JHP, and feel adequately armed.
 
After carrying a P97 in a belt holster I went to a Taurus 605 SS 357 in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster and love it. I can never foresee going back to carrying any other way. Although I am thinking of going to a Titanium or Scandium revolver the full weight of the 605 is not bad at all.
 
How about recoil on a 15 oz handgun firing .38 spcl +P's - that may not be a very pleasant experience.
I carry a Taurus 85 Ultra-Lite .38Spl.+P, 2" Brl, 15oz's with pearl grips. The action is great, the DS/SA trigger is light, very accurate at 15 yards, and the recoil is not a problem for me. It is a little loud though, as most snubbies are inclined to be.
 

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This afternoon I went out and bought a S&W 638. 5 Shots, bead blasted SS finish and rubber grips. I chose the 638 because it has all the benefits of a fully shrouded hammer with the added benefit that I could manually cock it and fire single action which is my preference by temperament and training. (the shroud is open at the top exposing the hammer but the hammer is fully enclosed thus no snagging on anything).

After going home and cleaning and lubing it I was at the range by 4PM. By 5PM I knew I'd made one hell of a good purchase.

At the range I shot speer GD 125 gr +P's out of it at B-26 targets; 7 and 15 yards. No problems staying inside the 10 ring at 7 and the 9 ring at 15. This was truly surprising to me as I had assumed that a gun with a 1 7/8" bbl couldn't be all that good of a shooter. I was wrong. This accuracy was achieved firing in single action mode.

The recoil was much less severe than I had imagined. Much greater than the felt recoil of my 686 firing .38's but way less than the recoil of my 686 firing full charge .357's.

That said I cannot imagine anyone firing a full charge .357 magnum out of a 15 oz gun. But then I don't have to worry about even trying that as the 638 is a .38 Spl +P revolver and not rated for a .357 Magnum.

After firing 30 rounds SA I switched to DA. Whoa - felt recoil seemed greater firing this way and all my shots went about a foot low and right into a - wait - wait - wow - a 12" group if one can call 12 inches a group. Obviously I need way more practice firing DA - I'll need to learn that - even though I can fire pretty fast SA it's not as fast as DA - though right now if - god forbid - I had to fire the thing for real it'd be in SA.

I bought an Uncle Mikes pocket holster for it - size 3 - and it works well though is IMO less concealed than my full sized autos IWB. The holster fits fully into the front pocket of a pair of jeans. The butt is about an inch below the top of the pocket and anyone that gets close enough to look down can easily see the SS part of the butt between the rubber grips. However, I cannot carry the gun in a rear pocket as the pocket is not tall enough to completely cover the weapon. That's not a big deal though as I will be using it primarily as my carry piece while riding my motorcycle and will carry in the front pocket.

I must say though, that pocket carry is much more comfortable and accessible than IWB. Even sitting I barely noted it's presence while at the restaurant with my wife tonight. I can easily see myself switching to pocket carry and the lightweight revolver full time.

And I don't feel any less protected with just those 125 gr +P's than I do with my Sig P220 or CZ-75B (.40 S&W) other than I've only got 5 shots instead of 8 and 10. That's my gut talking though - my brain says if you need more than 5 you best transfer control of the situation to your feet and haul your butt out of there anyway.

Which begs the question: Anyone know the velocity of those Speer 125 gr +P's out of a 1 7/8" barrel?

I am very pleased with my purchase. S&W quality, great trigger, good accuracy, lightweight. :D
 
Look at the Mika pocket holster. Good product, good price, and a good guy.

I may have to get a 642 once I get back to OK don't want to have to deal with the out of state transfer hassle.
 
I am a big fan of the 38/40/42 and variations. I carried an Andy Cannon tuned Model 38 for a number of years, the Bodyguard style grows on a person and most owners like the ability to fire a single-action shot occasionally.

A good holster is the Rosen Pocket Cozy or Ken Null's SPS. Thad Rybka makes some fine leather that is well thought out, but sometimes the wait is pretty long. His pocket holsters have been the ne plus ultra for years.
 
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My favorite pocket carry is a S&W 642 with CT grips in a Hedley pocket holster. I got the CT grips to try out and liked them pretty well. Mine are the hard plastic boot grip style. This virtually eliminates added bulk because of the laser. Also eliminates the prospect of a pleasant shooting session, but I have an all stainless 640 for that. Carry the gun stoked with 158 grain LSWCHP +P loads.
 
I have a S&W 637 with Crimson Trace model 305 Laser grips.
I just bought a leather pocket holster and it works great.
After I got the Laser adjusted it shoots remarkably well.
Where the red dot is the hole will follow.
If nothing else the laser does make me pay more attention to my shooting technique and that can't hurt.
I do shoot it with the laser off occasionally just to keep in practice.

Just a plug for Crimson Trace. They will stand behind their product.
Read some of the stories about a grip being damaged in Iraq and them replacing it for free. I like supporting a company like that.http://forums.crimsontrace.com
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I have been carrying my 642 via my front pocket (so far with no pocket holster). It carries great! I think I might invest in a Mika's pocket holster sometime, but pocket carry is definitely becoming my favorite way to pack. :D

Regards,
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I carry one of the S&W scandium J's in a Galco horsehide pocket holster on my weakside, I am never without it. +p loads are all unpleasant but it is a comfort and effective within our shared limits. In my youth as an LEO I retired a couple of bg's with a model 60, it was not my weapon of choice but simply what I had in a moment of need. (Used Super-Vel ammo) Ammo is better now, but I would still not choose a .38 for close encounters with armed bg's or a pistol for that matter. Use the best ammo you can afford, practice often, shoot til they hit the ground and seek cover until backup arrives.
 
Greeting's All-

I haven't tried my 642 in a "pocket holster", as it works pretty dang well
in my loose fitting, strong side, front pants pocket. However, I do carry
my Seecamp LWS-32 in a Uncle Mike's #1 front pocket holster. Its an
inexpensive (and comfortable) way to make sure the tiny self-loader
stays in the upright position.
 
My "Always" gun is an S&W 340SC carried in an Uncle Mike's pocket holster. I did my own trigger job on it, deactivated the lock, and fitted it with Crimson Trace CT305 grips.

"Plus-P" .38 Specials are no problem, but full power .357 ammo is distinctly unpleasant. For now I'm carrying it with WW 145 Silvertips, but I'm looking forward to trying some of the other "reduced" .357 loads, such as Federal's "Low Recoil" 130 JHP, the Remington 125 "Golden Saber," and Speer's new "Short Barrel .357" 135 JHP, which is supposed to be a hotter version of their popular 135 +P .38 Special.
 
Here's my take....

I've carried many snub revolvers, all in the front pocket.

My personal favorite was my Smith model 638 Bodyguard, which weighed in at about one pound. I carried all these revolvers in an Uncle Mike's size 3 soft, flexible fabric holster. The Uncle Mike's is very flat and masks the familiar profile of the snubby without making the package thicker.
I also owned a Smith 340SC, which at 12 oz, was supremely comfortable.

Laser grips? I was never interested in them and I've noticed that the crimson trace grips are somewhat longer than the stock boot grips which could make for a more difficult draw and pocket carry.

Although I've never owned a 442 or 642, I have my eye on that model as I've heard it is one of the best pocket snubs ever.
 
I've got several S&W J frames.
The gun is a little long for my pockets for in town pocket carry but I pocket carry it around the place at night.

The laser grip?
I swear by them. I have 4 now and if CT makes them for a couple other brands I have I'll have 2 or 3 more.The laser equipped guns I have now are, S&W Model 60, S&W Model 10, Kimber Ultra, Kel Tec .380 (different brand laser).

My primary pocket carry of my S&W Model 60 is late evening and night when walking around the place. A couple nights ago, using the laser, I shot a snake that I couldn't hardly see in the dark.

My yard extends about 50 yards out and that little S&W owns the place at night.
In my case the chances are if I ever had to shoot, around the house, it would be a 30 to 50 yard pistol shot at night.
With the laser I can actually make shots in the dark, that are difficult during the day with iron sights.
And fast close shots are a matter of a quick red dot and a black hole.

One thing. Don't waste money on those cheap strap on type lasers. They are a total waste of ammo. I've got a half dozen that I tried.
The Crimson Trace lasers are expensive but well worth it.

Second thing.
It takes practice to use the laser well. The same as your other shooting skills take practice.

This is just a picture comparing the Model 60 and Makarov.
The laser grip, on the round butt is close to the same size as the original grip.

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I started my pocket carry ritual with a Kel-Tec P11 in 9mm. Great little gun, easy to carry and it was my constant companion for a number of years. When the new generation Taurus Millennium Pros came out I switched. I carry a PT-145 in .45acp, my favorite caliber, and have never looked back.
It will be there until something better comes along but I doubt that it will.....especially in the price range of the Taurus. It has the sweetest DAO trigger I have ever pulled and it is accurate.....I mean competition accurate. It is the same size as the P11 and carries the same ammount of rounds but it is a little heavier since it is a .45acp.
 
My choice is a 649, either tucked into a back pocket of my Wranglers with no holster, or laced into the top of a Danner boot. I don't see any point in laser grips for this application.

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I'm a fan of those lightweight Bodyguards too.....in a pocket holster they are hard to beat for quick and easy summer carry. An all steel J frame rides a little heavy in the pocket of lightweight shorts or slacks but.....they will work for hot weather carry too. However most every small frame snub takes some practice to accurately hit your mark. Lasergrips will likely shorten the learning curve. +p 38 Spl. ammo will jump more in the lightweight J frames...but they are not punishing ! You can always do most of your practice at the range with regular pressure wadcutters...some contend regular pressure wadcutters make a viable self defense round...the argument is that none of the +p hollow point rounds open up out of a 2" snub. I personally don't ascribe to this argument. So I use either the new 135gr. +p Speer Gold Dot designed for expansion out of a 2" barrel or the old standby 158gr. +p LSWCHP. I have also been known to carry during the summer months the now discontinued milder recoiling regular pressure 125gr. Federal Nycald round ( still availble for purchase at ammoman.com )...however I have little faith in it if I need deep penetration hence I restrict its defensive use to only the summer months when most folks wear fewer garments.
Just my insignificant musings.

-Regards
 
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