POI vs. 6 o'clock

[RobertFBurnett]

As the title indicates, I just took my new SIG 226 out to the range and am now facing this, POI sights vs. 6 o'clock (I think thats right where the sights align on a plane just under where you want to hit?)

I'm sure this has been beaten to death over and over, and I'm not really looking for a whats better than the other, because I take both types for their strengths on what gun they are mounted on, but more how to. Combat sights, they are meant to line up where you want to hit, unlike 6 O'clock sights, I got that part. And I was taught that you shoot a hole, then target that hole with 4 more shots to make a 5 shot grouping at a certain distance. How exactly do you go about targeting a hole when it is covered by your sights? I mean I hit head and neck center( +- 2"), and within 9 and 10 rings all day long, and I would usually hit right around where I was pointing at, great for self defense, but I can't say that all of my groupings were impressive in and of themselves.

Thank you all,

RFB

 

[cuervo]

IMO, you are incorrect (or I'm confused) on the "shoot a hole" part.

Your sight picture should always remain the same, regardless of whether you are holding center-of-target or 6 o'clock.

If you need to make windage/elevation changes, do them with the sights, and keep your hold consistent.

 

[slide]

My take is that the 6 o'clock aim is for bullseye competition. I set my sights for POI except for bullseye shooting. Some bullseye guys like to use POI.

I see no sense in 6 o'clock EXCEPT for bullseye.

 

[RobertFBurnett]

IMO, you are incorrect (or I'm confused) on the "shoot a hole" part.

Your sight picture should always remain the same, regardless of whether you are holding center-of-target or 6 o'clock.

If you need to make windage/elevation changes, do them with the sights, and keep your hold consistent.

Now I may be confused. If this crude depiction of a site picture is accurate: [O] O [O] how do I know [O]O [O] will help me group together this crude grouping if i am behind the sights so to speak?

1
4 O[5]O 3
2

Or am I just really messing this up more than it needs to be?


RFB

P.S. I have Siglites #8front and #8 rear if it makes a difference.

 

[GRB]

Combat sights, they are meant to line up where you want to hit, unlike 6 O'clock sights, I got that part. And I was taught that you shoot a hole, then target that hole with 4 more shots to make a 5 shot grouping at a certain distance. How exactly do you go about targeting a hole when it is covered by your sights?

You were never taught to shoot ***** by a tactical firearms instructor, at least not one who knew about what he was talking. If you tried to take the time to look to see if you hit your target in a gunfight, you would likely wind up dead. You shoot at center of mass of your available target. (or center of the area that presents itself).

All the best,
Gb

 

[cuervo]

Check this link:
http://www.targetshooting.ca/docs/pistol_sighting.pdf

What I'm calling center-of-target they call center-of-mass, and is the 4th picture down. What I'm saying is that regardless of whether you use this or the 6 o'clock hold (5th picture down), your relationship between the front sight, rear sight, and target remain the same for every shot (sight picture).

Shoot a group to establish where your shots are going. If all of your shots are consistently to one area around the bull, you adjust the sights but keep the same sight picture for the next set of shots.

If you're having wide groups that are centered on the bull, that could be just a matter of practice to improve your own inconsistencies when shooting. You may be flinching, anticipating the shot, limp wristing, etc...

 

[RobertFBurnett]

You were never taught to shoot a hole by a tactical firearms instructor

No I wasn't

Check this link:
http://www.targetshooting.ca/docs/pistol_sighting.pdf

Exactly what I was looking for, thank you all, and happy shooting!

RFB

 

[possum]

You shoot at center of mass of your available target. (or center of the area that presents itself).

aka center of visable mass