Pointed Ammo from a Tube Mag Lever???

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Excellent!!! This is very good news. I'll be buying some .30-30 ASAP for testing, but I'm already fired up about this. Now, if only other manufacturers will follow Hornady's lead...

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You know, I think it would still make me nervous putting spitzer type bullets into my lever gun- the first time. This does look interesting. If it is less than $1 a round I just may have to try it, otherwise I'll still be getting a bolt gun soon so I may stick with that for longer range ammo.
 
Stoopid question time:
Has a full metal jacket, spitzer type bullet ever lit up a tube of ammo? I can see the potential for a problem, but has it ever happened?
 
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shermacman said:
Stoopid question time:
Has a full metal jacket, spritzer type bullet ever lit up a tube of ammo? I can see the potential for a problem, but has it ever happened?
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It has, but the ammo from Hornady has a soft, almost rubber-like tip on it. Far from hard enough to hammer a primer. The mpg even showed someone loading it like a normal human...

Berek
 
Interesting... :scrutiny:

I know that metal-tipped & soft-point ammo can set off a primer in a tubular mag, but I had wondered if the newer plastic-tipped ammo (Interbond, Ballistic Tip, etc.) had been known to do the same.... :scrutiny:

Looks like this ammo is the answer to that question (and yes, I know its a more rubbery tip than those above)...

But I'd still like to know about the others... :D
 
very cool, but something just seems wrong about 45-70 with pointy bullets.
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Didn't the .45-70 start out life with pointy bullets? It was used for single shot rifles first (e.g., trapdoor springfield) and only later in lever actions. The .45-70 goes back to the future! (Cue cheesy theme music)
 
I have to wonder, with the primer now being harder than the tip of the bullet behind it, if the problem will just reverse itself to where the ogive ends up being deformed by being smashed against the primer. Just have to wait and see how it works out I guess.
 
If anyone gets this stuff in 45-70 please let us know how well it works. Me, I am too chicken to try it. :eek:
 
WHY??

Don't tell me better BCs because there's very little weight in the pointy part, so the SD/BC isn't really increased. Penetration? A rubbery point ain't gonna penetrate....
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Cool, yes, if 'utterly unnecessary' is cool. OK, why not?

PS. You can rest assured that they wont blow up however - Hornady has tested til the cows come home, I'm sure.
 
Why, I would think because it's more aerodynamic it's going to travel faster and therefore "shoot flatter".

If it's close to normal price ammo I'll try some. Seems to have some potential. Won't pay double for it though.

I was just reading about using spitzer bullets in my 30-30. Was fine with only have one in the chamber and one in the tube. However, article said it was a bad idea since those bullets are usually too long for a lever gun. This solves my "problem":evil:
 
GunGoBoom said:
WHY??

Don't tell me better BCs because there's very little weight in the pointy part, so the SD/BC isn't really increased. Penetration? A rubbery point ain't gonna penetrate....
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Better BCs. :evil:

I had my ballistics software calculate the BC for the Hornady .30-30 bullet based on their velocities, and it tells me .343. Compare that to .218 claimed by Winchester for their 150 grain bullets and .254 for their 170s.

A better BC means a flatter trajectory, less wind drift, and more velocity & energy retained downrange. What's not to like?
 
But that's impossible for it to have a better BC than any other bullet *of the same weight and shape up to the point of the rubbery part*, because the rubbery tip weighs virtually nothing, so it cannot enhance SD and therefore BC. The only ways to make it have a better BC than the 'traditional' rounds (let's use 150 gr .30-30 as an example) is for it to have (1) a boattail configured base, and/or (2) a longer-sloping area before it reaches the point of the rubbery tip, BOTH of which could have already been done without the tip (whether they were or were not in fact already done). They could have sloped to a less-flat, more pointy, but yet still-flat-on-the-nose shape without the tip at all, and still not set off primers in a tube mag. But ok, whatever. :neener:

It's a gimmick. Don't get me wrong. If it has a better BC, then it has a better BC. But the better BC COULD HAVE been accomplished without any kind of tip at all.
 
Looks like an idea that someone (you and I?) should have come up with sooner :)

If they offer the new bullets as components, I am gonna buy some. Right now, I have about 500 rounds of Speer 170 grain FP loaded, and have to use those up first.

Besides, where I hunt, that extra range capability would be wasted, I think the longest shot I have taken a buck at in years is less than 75 yards.
 
BC is calculated with more than just the bullet weight.

It's a function of the aerodynamic drag, or lack thereof. A streamlined bullet of a given weight and diameter will always have a better BC than a less-streamlined bullet of the same weight and diameter. SD is calculated quite simply as the ratio of the bullet's diameter to weight, there are no provisions for factoring in whether a bullet is nose heavy, tail heavy, or balanced. Those balance characteristics of a bullet influence stability and yaw, both enroute to the target and inside the target, but don't do a darned thing to SD and by default BC. The SD will remain the same because those bullets have the same diameter and weight, but the BC is better due to the cleaned-up aerodynamics. And that rubbery tip is still a hell of a lot more aerodynamic than the traditional flat nose of factory .30-30 rounds. Don't believe me? Take the rubber point off and see what the BC does. It'll nosedive, because you're back to a flat nose in the wind again.

For example, a Hornady 100 grain round nose 6mm bullet has a BC of .216; a Hornady 100 grain spire point 6mm bullet has a BC of .357, and a Hornady 100 grain boat tail spire point 6mm bullet has a BC of .400. All three of these bullets have a sectional density (which is the ratio of a bullet's diameter to its weight) of .242, because they are all .243" in diameter and weigh 100 grains. But the more streamlined bullets have a higher ballistic coefficient. BS? I doubt it.

I've worked with several 6.5mm bullets that have downright gorgeous BC numbers, particularly those in the 120 through 142gr weights. What's interesting is the variety of different BC numbers one can get from just modifying the ogive and boattail on bullets of otherwise similar weights.

Myself, I'm a great fan of pointy bullet .45-70 loads and their higher BC numbers, btw. 800-1000 yard silhouette and Quigley match shooters are, too, and rightfully so.

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Those of you out there in THR land who have a Savage 340, Remington 788, or Winchester Model 54 are well aware of how good a combination of spitzer bullets and the .30-30 Winchester cartridge is. ;)
 
Didn't know he was rubbing you wrong, Preacherman.

When I got Reptar, he came with a little human dolly. I'll have to re-unite them for my next series of pictures. ;)
 
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