Police Magnum Lost In These Spare Parts

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As I mentioned in an earlier post ...we've been helping my in-laws clean out a storage building on their property. Buried beneath many assorted boxes and items were a few interesting discoveries including a Remington 12 Gauge, which we're pretty certain has never been shot. We also found large lots of ammo in various calibers, including sealed tins of 5.45x39MM 1080Rds marked from Russia, along with sealed cans of Chinese ammo dated 1970-1972, green with yellow stenciled paint. We think we know where these were purchased ...we found a receipt from 1990, J&G Sales in Prescott, AZ. There were also ammo cans of Federal Lake City Green Tipped 5.56 in Bandoleers and stripper clips, and a large assortment of mostly pistol rounds, all boxed, which had been collected for years. Based on the size of the building, we're guessing we are better than halfway through the tangle. I can post more pics as we make our way through if anyone is interested.

If anyone has information on the above we'd love to hear it. Neither of us shoot these calibers. I am familiar with the Remington 870, but is this so called "Police Magnum" version really any different than standard?. One website "expert" claims it is sold to law enforcement only ...okay, if that's true, what's it doing here? The owners are not in law enforcement, never were. Other sites claim the SS109 is a steel "penetrator," but come on, a .223 is a smallish round lacking weight, no matter what you do it ...not much against steel plate. 1REM.jpg 2REM.jpg 3REM.jpg 4REM.jpg

What happened here is that the owner of the property, like family to us, and a Korean War combat veteran, became seriously ill about 1991. Being a happy wanderer, he would deposit items from his various jaunts until one day it became an effort to organize properly, and according to his youngest daughter, that alone almost killed him ...he had been super detailed, a machinist and later a custom builder. When the temperatures in the summer hit, it was all he could do to toss items and flee, the net result was an enormous tangle. When he died, nobody wanted to go near the storage building, his personal space, which they had dubbed the "bunker" and "the Alamo." His wife died 18 months later. In the years that followed, his son (also my brother in law) would ask if I'd help sort through the place. My answer was always the same, just set the date ...but he never did ...the very thought made them sad. My sister told me they all loved and respected the old man so much, they couldn't shake the feeling they would be invading ...and so now, decades later, we're making real progress. Before we started I had asked the old man's daughter what she thought was there. She quoted her father: "So many spare parts you'd get lost looking."
 
Nice find on that 870. Nothing special, and I'm not sure about it being marketed as 'LEO only', but it's a good basic shotgun.
The ammo is also a nice find right now. If you don't shoot 5.56, find a fair price and take it to a gun show. Won't last an hour right now.
Same with the 5.45. A lot of people bought AKs when that was cheap surplus, and now the import has all but dried up. Full cans would be great for someone.
 
For any new in the box weapons you find... Simply write down what’s on the label then go to Gunbroker enter it there and find out what new ones are being listed for. That will at least sort you out what they might be worth, if sold. The “police” model 870 was supposed to have a few upgraded parts and a bit more careful assembly than similar shotguns. I can tell from the specs that it’s a solid basic riot gun configuration that I would be proud to own - except I already have that exact weapon in a bit cheaper version (the Express model).

You might also separate out all that you find into basic categories. Firearms, ammo, tools, accessories, etc. Then go about disposing if each category one at a time as you see fit...

The things we do for family...
 
For any new in the box weapons you find... Simply write down what’s on the label then go to Gunbroker enter it there and find out what new ones are being listed for. That will at least sort you out what they might be worth, if sold. The “police” model 870 was supposed to have a few upgraded parts and a bit more careful assembly than similar shotguns. I can tell from the specs that it’s a solid basic riot gun configuration that I would be proud to own - except I already have that exact weapon in a bit cheaper version (the Express model).

You might also separate out all that you find into basic categories. Firearms, ammo, tools, accessories, etc. Then go about disposing if each category one at a time as you see fit...

The things we do for family...

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That Russian and Chicom stuff is almost certainly steel-cored as well. Some folks pay a premium for it because it has somewhat better penetrating capabilities and is no longer importable.

HOWEVER......I wouldnt use, myself, as it tended to be mildly corrosive even when new and the powder may be starting to degrade and become unstable. Even though the cases are sealed, there is no telling what the conditions were in the manufacturing facilities back then, so there may very well be moisture trapped in those steel cases, increasing the chance of a ruptured case and a blowout.

I recently shot some Chicom .223 from the early 90s, and, although it all fired, there was a whole lot of nasty-smelling smoke and sparks flying around......

Just my 2 cents. You could always pull a few bullets from each lot and inspect them, but I would sell it with a disclaimer to the purchaser.
 
The Soviet, 5.45x39 7N6 ammo that was imported is corrosive (so what, clean your rifle) and otherwise excellent ammo bringing double or more what it originally cost. Far better in my guns than recent production. It isn't like it's a hundred years old, it's from the seventies and sealed.

It's ammo, not bread. It stores pretty well. It's half the age of surplus that has come in over the previous 20 plus years.

You crack open a can and the ammo is so fresh the laquer coating is still off gassing. That new ammo smell.

It's much better quality than some of the ammo I got from US manufacturers during the Obama ammo hoarding period.
 
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The 870 Police was designed for, and marketed toward LE. But sales were never limited to LE. There are several upgrades that make it a more durable and reliable shotgun over a standard gun. Probably the most important is that it is parkerized instead of having a matte blue finish put on many guns. Says so right on the labels in your pics. That is a much more expensive, and durable finish. That alone makes it worth a more money.

You can check date of manufacture by looking at the date code on the left side of the barrel near the receiver. It will be 2, possibly 3 letters. The 1st letter is the month. The next letter, or letters are the year of manufacture. The letters for year are used for multiple years, but usually something like 30 years apart so it isn't hard to figure out the difference between a 1930's, a 1960's, and a 1990's gun based on other design features.

You can look up the DOM using this chart. Just be aware that during part of 1999, all of 2000, and most of 2001 Remington did not put date stamps on their guns. You'll have to contact Remington with the SN if it falls within those dates if you want to know exactly when it was made, but even without date codes that narrows it down pretty close.

http://oldguns.net/sn_php/remdates.htm
 
Other sites claim the SS109 is a steel "penetrator," but come on, a .223 is a smallish round lacking weight, no matter what you do it ...not much against steel plate.

SS109 is the same projectile used in the M855 round. It is classes as a ' penetrator ', but not as an ' armor piercing' round. It's design goal was to be able to defeat a helmet at 400 (?) Meters. Obviously, different powder charges would affect that capability in certain cartridges.
 
Thanks everyone for all the advice and insight. Following instructions, the Remington index returned this: Your firearm was manufactured in April in one of these years: 2021, 1994, 1977 -- so that would be 1994. The Gunbroker site has several NIB selling around $559.99 as Buy-It-Now. Since I really prefer my old Wingmaster, it looks like we will donate this for a neighborhood turkey shoot we have every few years to raise money for upkeep and roads and landscaping around our range. The old gentleman who owned this was one of five founding fathers, so that seemed appropriate to the family.

So this morning pretty much went to the pigs ...we'd been debating how far we had gone, which is impossible to know from the inside where our path is still blocked. To settle this bet, we began to measure the outside, and as Jack was pulling the tape to the far outside corner -- he suddenly screamed and took off like a shot -- and I mean he was really moving. I cleared the building to connect with him. As he caught his air, he explained how a large Javelina had charged him ...at first he thought it was a bear as he was moving too fast to look. Well sure enough, in the rear of the Bunker a big friggin pig was snorting and looking ugly, and carved in the ground at the base of the building is a hollow, clearly used as a lair or nest. In the scrub and woods close behind were more pigs, including little ones.

We went up to the house to work a solution, my sister offered us coffee and we told her what happened. She said, "Oh! That's where they go! They wander through here almost every morning!" Up til then we had been discussing calibers. She grabbed Jack's hand and said, "You will do no such thing, they have babies." I asked, by any chance have you left food for them?

So if anyone doesn't know, here's what the pigs and area look like:

Javelinas Chase Coyote


Do we organize a relocation, make bacon, or let them win?
 
Thanks everyone for all the advice and insight. Following instructions, the Remington index returned this: Your firearm was manufactured in April in one of these years: 2021, 1994, 1977 -- so that would be 1994. The Gunbroker site has several NIB selling around $559.99 as Buy-It-Now. Since I really prefer my old Wingmaster, it looks like we will donate this for a neighborhood turkey shoot we have every few years to raise money for upkeep and roads and landscaping around our range. The old gentleman who owned this was one of five founding fathers, so that seemed appropriate to the family.

So this morning pretty much went to the pigs ...we'd been debating how far we had gone, which is impossible to know from the inside where our path is still blocked. To settle this bet, we began to measure the outside, and as Jack was pulling the tape to the far outside corner -- he suddenly screamed and took off like a shot -- and I mean he was really moving. I cleared the building to connect with him. As he caught his air, he explained how a large Javelina had charged him ...at first he thought it was a bear as he was moving too fast to look. Well sure enough, in the rear of the Bunker a big friggin pig was snorting and looking ugly, and carved in the ground at the base of the building is a hollow, clearly used as a lair or nest. In the scrub and woods close behind were more pigs, including little ones.

We went up to the house to work a solution, my sister offered us coffee and we told her what happened. She said, "Oh! That's where they go! They wander through here almost every morning!" Up til then we had been discussing calibers. She grabbed Jack's hand and said, "You will do no such thing, they have babies." I asked, by any chance have you left food for them?

So if anyone doesn't know, here's what the pigs and area look like:

Javelinas Chase Coyote


Do we organize a relocation, make bacon, or let them win?

Bacon!
 
Condolences on the loss to your family and thank you for doing the right thing. It seems the thing to do these days is push everyone else out of the way, wade in until you're at least waist deep--breaking and damaging stuff as you go, take as much as you can of the most valuable stuff you can find for yourself while essentially screwing the rest of the famil. You, however, are different; you are an honorable man. Thank you again.
 
Life just wouldn't be the same without an occasional surprise... let us know what you decide to do (both with your arms cache and those javelina...).
 
I used to live in the country outside of Dewey, AZ and had a herd of javelina come into the yard and start attacking my dogs. Got one with an AR. Dragged it out into the desert and it was carried off by a cougar that night.

They are pests, IMHO. They damage landscape and tear up stuff. I recall a friend of a friend came home from shopping to discover a group of them had broke into her house through a sliding screen door and did several thousand dollars worth of damage. Prescott area.

My brother drew a tag when he was visiting my folks in Yuma and shot one. Tried to barbecue it and it was awful tasting. Not a fan of the nasty things, which are actually big rodents.
 
My brother drew a tag when he was visiting my folks in Yuma and shot one. Tried to barbecue it and it was awful tasting. Not a fan of the nasty things, which are actually big rodents.

My understanding is that when properly prepped and cooked they can be quite tasty. But since the state of Kansas has banned hunting the vermin, I won't get the chance. Our wildlife department uses aircraft to kill them, and doesn't trust the hunters to help control the population. Problem is they aren't gaining any ground.
 
My understanding is that when properly prepped and cooked they can be quite tasty. But since the state of Kansas has banned hunting the vermin, I won't get the chance. Our wildlife department uses aircraft to kill them, and doesn't trust the hunters to help control the population. Problem is they aren't gaining any ground.

I think you're confusing Javelina with wild pigs...

Kansas wild pigs...

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Arizona Javelina, also known as a Collared Peccary...

javelina2-screenshot.jpg

Completely different species. It's like comparing a horse to a cow.
 
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Turns out, after speaking with an expert at Game and Fish, we were pretty lucky. Javelina can be dangerous, mostly because they are nearly blind, fast and have savage tusks. We had left the big double doors of the Bunker open all day ...while Javelina are known to wander right into garages, even rear porches, and have done considerable damage. He said search for this slomo, javelins fighting, 40 secs of nasty teeth:



He also said the more of these you got, then the more you will get, so I guess they are Probers who will report back to battalion that we are weak, then it's anyone's guess. Adding to the charm, Javelinas with piglets attract mountain lions. He suggested spraying the whole back area with diluted household ammonia, the odor causes nasal irritation forcing them to leave, add mothballs to any spot they dug. Then he says, so far so good ...now call this "hotline" and hangs up the phone. ***? We all looked at each other confused. I called the number and he answered again, saying "I'm off duty now, aren't you in that neighborhood with the gun club and private range?" Uh huh. "Then I would organize a hunt but hey ...invite me up and I'll bring a shovel. You don't want to eat these things, trust me. They get confused with wild pigs, like those in Texas, but these aren't them ...tastes as bad as they look."

So I guess we made a friend, Jack will take pics I can post. And while this was going on, my wife had checked in on a widow down the hill to make sure she was set for the coming week. She's in her mid-80s and remembered her husband talking about the two old men shopping at a "gun shop" called "Dillards" during the early 90s, making numerous trips there. When she asked him to buy some new socks, thinking Dillards Department Store in Scottsdale, he said "wrong store, this is gun and hunting supplies."

We're thinking she meant DILLON PRECISION, the only gun related store with a similar name, so we're excited about the possibility of finding reloading equipment in the bunker. First it's open field warfare with hoses and ammonia ...all suggestions welcome.
 
Condolences on the loss to your family and thank you for doing the right thing. It seems the thing to do these days is push everyone else out of the way, wade in until you're at least waist deep--breaking and damaging stuff as you go, take as much as you can of the most valuable stuff you can find for yourself while essentially screwing the rest of the famil. You, however, are different; you are an honorable man. Thank you again.

I once knew a guy who believed you are what you own ...I'm sure he'll die bitter and lonely but with lots of stuff? I may have been lucky to have known only one so far ...but thanks for that.
 
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