Police shooting caught on tape

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Anyone here ever see the Chris Rock episode..."How not to get your ass kicked by the police?" I think this would make a good re-make of "How not to get your as SHOT by the police."

On a serious note though, armed suicidal suspect with a gun refusing verbal commands. I really doubt that any one of the critics here would have the testicular fortitude to approach this individual to apply a taser or any other compliance techniques. Maybe I'm wrong, if you do, then you've got my apology and the Darwin Award 2005.

Also, anyone else notice that the only picture the family could provide of their model-citizen son, he appeared to be throwing his "set"....Maybe this will teach the young punk that the gangsta-life should be left in the movies or at the rap studios.

Reminds me of my favarite movie line from Naked Gun 33 1/3,.."No ma'am, shooting a gang-member in this state is only a $50.00 fine, just send it in when you renew your registration.."

 

[Sir Aardvark]

Welcome to today's America.

Our society is such that just holding a firearm in the presence of a police officer is grounds for the police to use deadly force.

Not that the guy wasn't an idiot to not listen to the police.

 

[one45auto]

Our society is such that just holding a firearm in the presence of a police officer is grounds for the police to use deadly force.

Or, down in New Orleans, tackled - particularly if you're an old woman trying to defend your property. Refusing to sleep on some government provided cot in a gymnasium somewhere only compounds your problem.

Anything less than blind obedience and complete dependency will not be tolerated. After all, self-reliance is for extremists.

 

[Bobo]

Anyone who doesn't immediately comply with an officer's orders deserves the consequences.

 

[DevLcL]

This is just my unexperienced 2 cents. When you become a police officer you realise the risks involved. For you folks to say they "didnt wanna take the chance and let him have the first shot..." well...thats part of being a cop in my book. BEING A POLICE OFFICER MEANS TAKING SHOTS FOR THE COMMUNITY. Since when did it become a fact that in the legal world a police officers life is more important then any average citizen. What gives them the right to shoot a legally armed citzen just because the weapon is in hand. Why didnt the suspect have the right to shoot the cops? They surely had weapons in hand. I realise LEO's go through training in firearms and lots firearms owners have little to no training at all. But does that really give them the right to use deadly force just because their life is in danger? This is OURAGEOUS... YOUR THE POLICE... IF YOU GET SHOT I DONT SHED ONE TEAR FOR YOU. The only reason an armed suspect should EVER be shot is if he's clearly aiming the gun in an inocennt bystandard(s) dircetion (not law enforcement) or AFTER he has shot an officer.

When a police officer dies they have a parade through downtown to honor this great persons life. When a suspect is shot by the police they drag him to an ambulance (if hes lucky) then they tell the family "tough luck"

If any law enforcemnt officers are reading this please dont take it as a person attack but rather use this constructive critisizm to become a better officer.

Once again let me repeat myself...

BEING A POLICE OFFICER MEANS TAKING SHOTS FOR THE COMMUNITY

YOUR THE POLICE... IF YOU GET SHOT I DONT SHED ONE TEAR FOR YOU

Polices officer know full well what their getting into when they become officers.. They want the badge and the side arm. They want to tell people what to do and how to do it. They abuse the law more then any other group of people in the world. There are more police related deaths every day then any other type of group. the side of the car says their job is to "protect and serve"... When was the last time a gestapo protected or served you? They sure did protect that guy in the video. Dont let me forget how they served Rodney King. Last year my best friend was killed in a car accident. Two months later I was accused of filming ungerage sex. The reason I was accused was because the police knew I threw parties and they know I film things. So after forcing their way into my house, searching everything I owned (without a warrant) and having me convinced I did something wrong, they got a call saying they found out who really did it and it had nothing to do with me. Meanwhile the detective point to the picture of my deceased bud and says did you him?.... The guy was trying to be nice and sympathetic after he illegally broke into my house. I wanted to punch him right in the nose. The only reason I didnt is because I would have been beaten like I was black.

To this day I've not recieved a single apology from any officer what-so-ever.
They scared me into letting them in without a warrant and they really messed up.

LAW ENFORCMENT IS A JOKE
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(I have not watched the video in question. All my remarks are based on similar and non-similar events that likely happen every day all over the country. Which have been happening since the begining of law enforcement)

OK NOW I HAVE WATCHED THE VIDEO....THE OFFICERS FELT IN DANGER!!?!?!?!?!?!? THE OFFICER WAS 50 YARDS AWAY WITH M16...***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!

I know I make a few enemies and probably get kicked out of this forum... but itis after all my first amendment right....

I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT STAND ABUSIVE POLICE.

For a Police officer to abuse his power is like a day-care center that molests its children.

The worst part about this whole situation is this:
Police have brainwashed their citizens into believing what they say and do is always right. In this most people would not be willing to pick up arms against the corrupt law enforcemnt of America, when the truth is, regular citizens and their arms out number the police AT LEAST 5 to 1. Theres no way to ever change the way cops act.

The best we can do is blindly surrender our lives to their mere whims and fears in an effort to avoid undue prosecution or physical harm. Theres no stopping the power. They will do as they like and we (American Citizens) can only be pawns. Who are these all-mighty creatures that have such a strangle-hold on SO MANY people. How have they come to power. How does god let such things happen. How did this world get so corrupt?

These are all question I think we've all asked at one point or another, in one form or another. The answer is this. Life is life. You cannot change fate.
Fate says that police will be corrupt. There is nothing to be done about it. We are sheep. You can disagree with me if you like but its true. Theres nothing anyone can do to change unjust situations in this world. Even if you do change it there is a worse situation around every corner.

After all... we are only human.

-Dev

 

[M-Rex]

This is just my unexperienced 2 cents. When you become a police officer you realise the risks involved. For you folks to say they "didnt wanna take the chance and let him have the first shot..." well...thats part of being a cop in my book. BEING A POLICE OFFICER MEANS TAKING SHOTS FOR THE COMMUNITY. Since when did it become a fact that in the legal world a police officers life is more important then any average citizen. What gives them the right to shoot a legally armed citzen just because the weapon is in hand. Why didnt the suspect have the right to shoot the cops? They surely had weapons in hand. I realise LEO's go through training in firearms and lots firearms owners have little to no training at all. But does that really give them the right to use deadly force just because their life is in danger? This is OURAGEOUS... YOUR THE POLICE... IF YOU GET SHOT I DONT SHED ONE TEAR FOR YOU. The only reason an armed suspect should EVER be shot is if he's clearly aiming the gun in an inocennt bystandard(s) dircetion (not law enforcement) or AFTER he has shot an officer.

When a police officer dies they have a parade through downtown to honor this great persons life. When a suspect is shot by the police they drag him to an ambulance (if hes lucky) then they tell the family "tough luck"

If any law enforcemnt officers are reading this please dont take it as a person attack but rather use this constructive critisizm to become a better officer.

Once again let me repeat myself...

BEING A POLICE OFFICER MEANS TAKING SHOTS FOR THE COMMUNITY

YOUR THE POLICE... IF YOU GET SHOT I DONT SHED ONE TEAR FOR YOU

Polices officer know full well what their getting into when they become officers.. They want the badge and the side arm. They want to tell people what to do and how to do it. They abuse the law more then any other group of people in the world. There are more police related deaths every day then any other type of group. the side of the car says their job is to "protect and serve"... When was the last time a gestapo protected or served you? They sure did protect that guy in the video. Dont let me forget how they served Rodney King. Last year my best friend was killed in a car accident. Two months later I was accused of filming ungerage sex. The reason I was accused was because the police knew I threw parties and they know I film things. So after forcing their way into my house, searching everything I owned (without a warrant) and having me convinced I did something wrong, they got a call saying they found out who really did it and it had nothing to do with me. Meanwhile the detective point to the picture of my deceased bud and says did you him?.... The guy was trying to be nice and sympathetic after he illegally broke into my house. I wanted to punch him right in the nose. The only reason I didnt is because I would have been beaten like I was black.

To this day I've not recieved a single apology from any officer what-so-ever.
They scared me into letting them in without a warrant and they really messed up.

LAW ENFORCMENT IS A JOKE
LAW ENFORCMENT IS A JOKE
LAW ENFORCMENT IS A JOKE
LAW ENFORCMENT IS A JOKE
LAW ENFORCMENT IS A JOKE
LAW ENFORCMENT IS A JOKE
LAW ENFORCMENT IS A JOKE
LAW ENFORCMENT IS A JOKE
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LAW ENFORCMENT IS A JOKE

(I have not watched the video in question. All my remarks are based on similar and non-similar events that likely happen every day all over the country. Which have been happening since the begining of law enforcement)

OK NOW I HAVE WATCHED THE VIDEO....THE OFFICERS FELT IN DANGER!!?!?!?!?!?!? THE OFFICER WAS 50 YARDS AWAY WITH M16...***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!??!

I know I make a few enemies and probably get kicked out of this forum... but itis after all my first amendment right....

I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT STAND ABUSIVE POLICE.

For a Police officer to abuse his power is like a day-care center that molests its children.

The worst part about this whole situation is this:
Police have brainwashed their citizens into believing what they say and do is always right. In this most people would not be willing to pick up arms against the corrupt law enforcemnt of America, when the truth is, regular citizens and their arms out number the police AT LEAST 5 to 1. Theres no way to ever change the way cops act.

The best we can do is blindly surrender our lives to their mere whims and fears in an effort to avoid undue prosecution or physical harm. Theres no stopping the power. They will do as they like and we (American Citizens) can only be pawns. Who are these all-mighty creatures that have such a strangle-hold on SO MANY people. How have they come to power. How does god let such things happen. How did this world get so corrupt?

These are all question I think we've all asked at one point or another, in one form or another. The answer is this. Life is life. You cannot change fate.
Fate says that police will be corrupt. There is nothing to be done about it. We are sheep. You can disagree with me if you like but its true. Theres nothing anyone can do to change unjust situations in this world. Even if you do change it there is a worse situation around every corner.

After all... we are only human.

-Dev

Your obvious troll was reported to the mods. By the way, the first amendment doesn't give you the right to be heard.

 

[DevLcL]

M-Rex

Your obvious troll was reported to the mods.

...as was expected.

Think of me what you will but remember I'm only saying what I've experienced and what others have reported to me. Im not alone in my thoughts. I have no desire to hurt or discredit anyone personally. It is my opinion that the system is highly corrupt. A system in which I honestly wish I could trust.

-Dev

 

[GregGry]

DevLcL

That was the stupidest post I have read in my life. Police are paid to protect society, and take care of the garbage people don't want anything to do with. That kid was possibly a felon, even if that wasn't the case he had a criminal record. That makes him a low life in society. He has not tried to be part of society, and be a decent human, why should he have the rights of a law abiding citizen?

Also, how many cops have you actually been in contact with? I am willing to bet you have based your entire opinion on what you have heard on the news, the paper, and what friends tell you. Thats all fine and dandy, but if thats the case, you don't have a clue as to anything your voicing your opinion on.

In a totaly free society police shouldn't exist, its not really a totaly free society then. The problem is, remove the police, and you will have chaos. You may not think the police do anything, but your mistaken. Sure they might not find the stuff that was stolen from your house, but they do help the community a lot. They are part of society, and if you hate them, you a bit foolish. I am willing to bet that hate will only last until the point that you need them.

 

[M-Rex]

Think of me what you will but remember I'm only saying what I've experienced and what others have reported to me. Im not alone in my thoughts. I have no desire to hurt or discredit anyone personally. It is my opinion that the system is highly corrupt. A system in which I honestly wish I could trust.

You are a teenager. What life experience could you possibly have?

 

[odysseus]

Right or wrong, being too emotional doesn't make one's point stronger. Neither do personal snipes reacting to it.

 

[No_Brakes23]

Spamming "LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A JOKE" is your experience?

Apparently filming kiddie porn makes you keyboard-challenged.

 

[GregGry]

It is my opinion that the system is highly corrupt. A system in which I honestly wish I could trust

Corruption does exist, but its blown way out of porportion by the media. The police department here had 7 officers that were involved in a beating of another officer. They were found guilty and prosecuted if I remember right. So what, 7 bad officers on the department, next thing you know people are saying the entire department is corrupt. The problem is that the department is 2,200 officers, and a total of 7 bad officers is insignificant to the size of the department. Have you ever though about things like that?

When I worked at numerous retail chain stores, the corruption level was a lot higher. At one store I worked at, I would say atleast 70% of the workers I worked with over a period of 3 years, stole, cheated payroll, tampered with documents, and many other things. How come we don't hear about cases like that, in the media? Because it doesn't sell news papers. Who wants to hear about a 70% corruption rate in a chain store, when you can hear of a less then 1% corruption rate in a police department?

 

[odysseus]

First off let me state I think this shoot was clean. However it was pretty close to the line timing wise, it was clean and the guy should count his blessings he got to live through it.

Who wants to hear about a 70% corruption rate in a chain store, when you can hear of a less then 1% corruption rate in a police department?

Now to this quote. I see what you are saying; however the comparison is off. LE has power of law and enforcement of arms. They are public servants with guns. So corruption in their ranks is serious, serious business.

 

[DevLcL]

No_Brakes23, Your right. I probably only needed to type it once.

GregGry, Maybe "highly" is too strong a word. I'm not sure if this makes any difference but the mother of my deceased friend is a police officer. We talk often. I highly respect her.

-Dev

 

[Bigreno]

@ DevLcL..

First let me say that I work in law enforcement.

Maybe someone can help me understand why all the people I see with this type of attitude toward the police fall into the same general category. I have never run into a law abiding productive citizen with these kinds of views. If there are any out there please stand an be heard. They always seem to be the bottom feeders and cancers on society. Usually someone who's Meth Lab was raided and the police knocked over his favorite water bong and broke it or the beligerant alcoholic who's been in and out of jail more times than can be counted.

Maybe someday I'll run into a preacher or school teacher who thinks I should take a bullet because I work to protect people from said bottom feeders...but I highly doubt it.

Reno.

 

[Ric]

Let's see:
I'm a felon
I've just ran from police
they finally get me stopped (there were a lot of patrol cars must have been a felony stop)
should I get out of the car with my gun in my hand??

it's not rocket science

 

[GregGry]

Now to this quote. I see what you are saying; however the comparison is off. LE has power of law and enforcement of arms. They are public servants with guns. So corruption in their ranks is serious, serious business

I agree it is a serious business, all I am saying is that the corruption is not as high as people like to think it is.

 

[M-Rex]

+1 GregGry

It's not even remotely half as close as it is portrayed in the media.

By the way, in your example, the corrupt to honest percentage was 0.0032%.

That is pretty darn near statistically insignificant. I wonder if the private sector is that 'clean'.

 

[Werewolf]

Anyone who doesn't immediately comply with an officer's orders deserves the consequences.

:banghead:
Well of course you do - what with the police being GOD-KINGS and all - especially if they're pointing a gun at ya.

That said:
On a philosophical level the quote above is pure unmitigated CRAP and it is disturbing that anyone born and raised in the United States of America could even have such a thought let alone have the huzpah to say it out loud in a place where 20 thousand or more can see it.

On the other hand as a practical matter it pretty much is true these days in the US. After all - as Chairman Mao so rightly observed - power emanates from the barrel of a gun. Our leaders would never say it but they definitely know it.

 

[M-Rex]

Criminey...you know damn well what he meant.

Why does everything have to culminate into cop bashing/libertarian dogma?

 

[Jeeper]

but itis after all my first amendment right....

You need to read the bill of rights. The 1st protects against GOVERNMENT denial of free speech. This is a private forum and thus it does not apply.

 

[Warbow]

Looks like a clean shoot to me. He's either very stupid or, like others suggested, wanted to die.

OK NOW I HAVE WATCHED THE VIDEO....THE OFFICERS FELT IN DANGER!!?!?!?!?!?!? THE OFFICER WAS 50 YARDS AWAY WITH M16...***!!!!!!

First, that wasn't 50 yards -- more like 20-25. Second, you do know that handgun rounds can travel well past 50 yards, right?

 

[JohnKSa]

Our society is such that just holding a firearm in the presence of a police officer is grounds for the police to use deadly force.

BS. There's a TREMENDOUS difference between being armed as a matter of course, and arming yourself as a direct response to being pulled over by the cops.

I've held firearms in the presence of police officers many times and was never so much as threatened by one nor disarmed. The context is all-important.

 

[nyresq]

DevLcL

I'm gonna take a guess and say your age is.... what? 18? 17?

you have the prize for the most flame producing troll humping post I have ever seen on these forums. You must be joking. I can't imagine that you honestly believe the crap that you printed. 1st amendment? do you have any idea without doing a google search what the bill of rights actually is? I very much doubt you have ever even read it, much less understand what it states. The first amendment is not all encompasing of any speech or statements, and if you think it is, then you need to go to class a little more often and throw a few less "parties"... Dude...

Police are paid to take a bullet for the community? You need to wake up and stop smoking the stuff in the little baggies. Or at least take it out of the plastic bag before you light it. You throw parties and "film stuff"???

Dear god, someone please give this kid a quarter so he can buy a clue.

 

[nyresq]

Skid,

1) Dinkheller was not behind cover, 2) the perp in the Dinkheller case raised the weapon & clearly intended to shoot

I saw this video in a use of force training class at FLETC a few years ago, the follow up investigation showed:
1) Actually he dropped back behind his cruiser prior to any shots being fired.
2) There is a significant period of time (aproxx 15-20 seconds) the suspect has the rifle down at his waist, not shouldered or even pointing in Dinkheller's direction.

Problem is this guy is described as being not responsible (prior criminal behavior), and not reasonable or rationale (suicidal thoughts, ignoring cops with weapons pointed at him, etc.)

All the more reason not to give him the chance to score a lucky shot before being dropped.




On a side note, I went to the range today with another LEO friend and did a few experiments with a pact timer, a hand gun and an AR-15 (colt LE6920).

We both tried to out shoot each other as the bad guy, in every case the bad guy won. The experiment was very simple:
Stand side by side on the range and crank one target out to 25 yards. The "BG" stood with the pistol at his side and the "Officer" got a kneeling braced position (used the back of a chair for a brace/ simulated car door). The Officer aimed in with the rifle and the BG stood with his arms at his sides. With out warning or notification the BG raises the pistol and fires a round, unaimed and single handed at the target. The officer can have his finger on the trigger, but can't take up any slack (to avoid a potential ND). The officer upon seeing the suspect move has to fire the rifle at the target.

We both played both parts 15 times each. The BG beat the officer every time unless the officer got jumpy and shot before the BG moved. Out of 30 rounds fired, the BG scored hits on the upper half of the torso 3 times and the lower half another 2. The lower shots may have been stopped by a car door, but if using a decent load in a good size caliber, normally it will penetrate a car door.

Try it yourself next time you go shooting with a friend. You'll see, action is always faster then re-action.