Police tells me, it's my job to protect myself, they are useless..

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My neighbor was throwing and breaking things at about 3am. At first, I thought it was a burgler, but then I realized it was the neighbor..

So I called the cops. They showed up. The pushed the door bell, they were ignored.

They said.. "Well, we came, we pushed the door bell, he refused to open the door. Our work is done. You are on your own now."

:cuss:

Useless pieces of :cuss:

I said, in this mad rage of a state, he seems like a danger to anybody and everybody, and of course, his contemplation of suicide doesn't really help..

The cops say, the only way they can put him in the loony bin is if he requests it.. Isn't that the classic Catch-22?

Grrr.. Useless!! Useless!!

Ok, sorry, had to get that off my chest. I return you now to your regularly scheduled programming..
 
Just as I clicked post.. The landlord showed up..

I'm at a loss at the current situation. It's not like a gun would help me at this point, the guy is violent and destroying his own property.. I'm just afraid he's going to light the gas.. and blow up the building..
 
First, I'll say I think the police have a very tough job. They are strung out between your rights/fears/needs and the other guys rights/needs. Police watch-dog groups claim they're sticking a nose in where it doesn't belong...while others see an indifferent attitude. Impossable to balence.
I've always thought of them as the "uh-oh" squad. They have to wait untill "something happens" then its time to make an arrest. So yes, its up to us to prepare to defend ourselves...first at the scene, then in court...because they will arrest us, or the thug (or his family) will bring suit for some percieved damages. I hate even thinking about this stuff...like Standing Wolf said...move. :(
Mark.
 
He's the bad guy, why should _I_ move?

Gonna call his parents, they said he had to be sedated last time, when they put him in the hospital. He's a french fry short of a happy meal mentally..

So HE'S going to move.. I've decided that :mad:
 
When people come home and their keys don't fit in the door cause it is full of super glue, they sometimes leave. If after they hire a locksmith and he pops the lock and it still won't open cause somebody put epoxy inside the door frame with a syringe, people sometimes want to move. If it happens again and again and nobody ever leaves fingerprints, then often they figure out someone doesn't like them. Course slipping a few dozen scorpians under the door might also work, or buying some mice at the pet store, shoot an infestation of garter snakes might even work. :D :evil:

Yes I once had a neighbor who cause problems at night as others tried to sleep, he liked to beat up his wife. He left about four months after I moved in, guess I am just a horrible neighbor, but all the others love me to pieces.:D :neener:

Think creative, don't get angry, don't break any bones, pop any eyes out, or threaten to cut his tongue out and put his arms in a cast. Just let bad kharma help him decide it is time to leave. "Do you suppose somebody doesn't like you my friend, best leave before that phycho turns violent, I mean superglue, scorpians, snakes, and mice seems pretty severe. Here is the number of a great apartment locator.(In Siberia)"
 
The guy can be obnoxious, just as long as he isn't violent!

Hope you really find him a new address!
 
Court opinion that says it all.

US Suprime socialist said essentionlly the same thing!


"There is no constitutional right to be protected by the state (or Federal) against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it tells the state (gov't) to let people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order"
(Bowers v. DeVito, U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, 686F.2d 616 [1982]).


oh yes we need more gun control. Who are we protecting?

Socialist can't live with'em Can't k................

Fred
 
Their laws are different????

I seem to have forgotten; please remind me again, WHY are you over there?:confused:
 
The cops say, the only way they can put him in the loony bin is if he requests it.. Isn't that the classic Catch-22?
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Not accurate. I believe the standard is "danger to self or others". It may be different where you are, it may be different for cops.

Somebody close to me at one point went completely off the deep end. Those were the magic words that actually got her into a hospital involuntarily.
 
I had a relative who was schizophrenic and would be hospitalized every
couple of years or so when the delusions would take hold.

One day he walked out of the hospital during a particularly bad episode.

The family contacted the police and reported that he might be a danger to himself and others.

The police said they could not do anything until he hurt someone.

To me thats like someone reporting they had found a bomb an the police
saying they can't do anything till it explodes.


Hope you get some new neighbors twoblink.
 
I do not know how the legal system works where you live, but in Indiana we have what is called an "application for an emergency hold". It is based on a 72 hour hold (police have the another version called a 24 hour hold, but rarely use/know of it). The 72 hr hold requires:

A petitioner (you, family, landlord, doesn't matter)
A M.D. who will sign and admit the person to a psych. unit.
A judge in the county of residence.

You have to document a dangerousness to self/others. Verbal threats, walking into traffic, running naked when its -10 F, etc. The documentation needs to be current and not something that happened two weeks ago. Talking to a mental health practioner in your area might give you some options and help your neighbor out also.
 
Police tells me, it's my job to protect myself
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Yup, self protection is a personal responsibility. The job of the police is to investigate crimes and apprehend perpatrators, not to protect each citizen.

That's why I've never understood "gun control". I'm responsible for my own protection. Therefore, I need the tools to protect myself. Police carry guns because they have to deal with bad guys. Well, who exactly are those bad guys going to try to victimize??? It simply seems obvious to me that if police need guns, so does Joe Citizen.
 
Their was a "Crazy Lady" that lived in my hood once. She kept sueing everybody who tried to talk to her. She started to get her mail in the nude (Not a good thing to see). Well one day when she lift, someone set her home on fire. She now lives somewhere else and everyone is happy again.
 
The police aren't your personal bodyguards. Get used to it. The presumption that they are is the basis of many anti-gunner's arguments ("You don't need a gun, just dial 911").

The police are constrained in where and why they can force entry into a residence. Good thing. The sanctity of one's home being held in high regard is fundamental to our freedoms. Ditto for the restrictions on involuntarily commiting citizens for mental problems. The old Soviet Union frequently treated those who disagreed with the party line as "mentally ill" as a pretext for imprisoning them.

Nonetheless, you did the right thing by calling in a complaint. Build a trail of official, documented complaints and, if you ever have to defend yourself from this neighbor, it will be a history established of your having tried to rectify the problem via the authorities.

Last but not least, a noisy disturbance at 3:00AM is a nuisance and an annoyance, but it does not rise to the level of something that one must defend oneself from. Your gun is no help in such a situation. It has no role in solving the problem, but it is a comfort in existing as a final fall-back solution if the problem escalates and comes to you.

Continue to complain to the police and to the landlord (and to any local rental property authority, if one exists). If he keeps it up and the cops are called on each occasion, there will likely come a time where the situation--upon their arrival--will warrant them arresting the goofball (drugs in plain sight, a reasonable suspicion that someone within the house is in danger, etc.). Be as persistant as he is annoying.

Rosco
 
two, what else could the po-po do? Investigate, nothing found, return to patrol or whatever they do over there.

I always feel sorry for coppers who get pulled into neighbor v. neighbor or soon-to-be-ex-wife and husband stuff. They always sigh loudly before talking to me.

Rosco has it nailed. Write everything down, call the coppers. Do not, I repeat, do not intrevene. Maybe time to buy some Peltors for sleeping.:D
 
twoblink,

Speaking as someone who hasn't met you yet but who knows a few people you know personally, why the heck are you sticking around there? Get the heck out of that place and return home. Your guns are waiting for you.

You may find crazies here in the USA, but at least you will have backup.
 
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