garrettej8
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voted. I can't believe how fast it got turned around haha
Poll about Gun On Campus: Losing Badly
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PoconoEagle
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Voted yes 57/43
Voted yes 57/43
Hard decision to make here, as much as I like the idea of carring a firearm for personal protection it would also be nice to know that you can go to a place where there are no firearms whatsoever.
Of course the bad guys don't give a crap, and thats the problem.
Of course the bad guys don't give a crap, and thats the problem.
BobbyQuickdraw
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57-43 in favor of us.
While I don't think everyone on campus should carry, those who are responsible enough should when appropriate. As long as they know enough not to carry when drinking/partying. And they keep the gun secured during parties.
College has a lot of fun going on and its very important to remain responsible.
While I don't think everyone on campus should carry, those who are responsible enough should when appropriate. As long as they know enough not to carry when drinking/partying. And they keep the gun secured during parties.
College has a lot of fun going on and its very important to remain responsible.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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I also don't like the ROTC requirements. I'm an MOSQed Army MP as well as a CPL holder, but I'm just enlisted so I guess no right to carry for me. What about an NRA certified CPL license instructor taking some classes at a college? No right to carry for him either. Or what about the CPL holders who spend more time at the range practicing in a week than ROTC students do in a year? No right to carry for them either. You could be a IDPA champion and not be able to carry unless you're in ROTC. Quite frankly, that's retarded.
Not even arguing the inherent divisiveness or making a Right into a privilege for a select few, they aren't even including vastly more qualified individuals into that few. ROTC students are about at the bottom of the "only ones qualified to use a gun" ladder.
Indeed. However, I am a fan of very loose restrictions, but drastically harsh punishments for violating those restrictions. IE: don't limit who can carry on campus, but if some drunk college kid does let his gun fall into the wrong hands, automatic expulsion +fines +jail time +probation.
This may seem harsh, but I think that should kinda be the standard for the nation as a whole. Maybe even let anyone and everyone own and carry whatever kind of weapon they want anywhere, but make committing a crime with a gun be an automatic death penalty.
Not even arguing the inherent divisiveness or making a Right into a privilege for a select few, they aren't even including vastly more qualified individuals into that few. ROTC students are about at the bottom of the "only ones qualified to use a gun" ladder.
Indeed. However, I am a fan of very loose restrictions, but drastically harsh punishments for violating those restrictions. IE: don't limit who can carry on campus, but if some drunk college kid does let his gun fall into the wrong hands, automatic expulsion +fines +jail time +probation.
This may seem harsh, but I think that should kinda be the standard for the nation as a whole. Maybe even let anyone and everyone own and carry whatever kind of weapon they want anywhere, but make committing a crime with a gun be an automatic death penalty.
Taurus what you have said there is the problem I have with just letting anyone carry.
You mentioned harsh harsh punishments, which I totally agree with, but what do you tell the kids parents that got shot by this drunk idiot. I mean sure they will feel anger towards him, but preventing him from carrying in the first place would have prevented this situation.
Yep, sounds completley anti, but I'm trying to grasp the whole no-restrictions thing that all of you so highly speak of in regards to firearms. I really think that if someone on campus is to carry, they should have a marksmanship minimum along with some decent training before we give the college drunk a gun.
This of course can be applied to gun ownership in general, but I'm trying to stay on topic here. Don't yell at me, just explain to me why I'm wrong in thinking this way.
You mentioned harsh harsh punishments, which I totally agree with, but what do you tell the kids parents that got shot by this drunk idiot. I mean sure they will feel anger towards him, but preventing him from carrying in the first place would have prevented this situation.
Yep, sounds completley anti, but I'm trying to grasp the whole no-restrictions thing that all of you so highly speak of in regards to firearms. I really think that if someone on campus is to carry, they should have a marksmanship minimum along with some decent training before we give the college drunk a gun.
This of course can be applied to gun ownership in general, but I'm trying to stay on topic here. Don't yell at me, just explain to me why I'm wrong in thinking this way.
I should clarify that there are far to many people who do not understand what a firearm is capable of. Believe it or not, we have had people at our range who have put thier hand cupped on the end of a handgun barrel because they wanted to catch the projectile.
You can't just allow anyone on campus to carry without understand exactly what they are doing with a firearm, and this requires training and testing that should be mandatory.
You can't just allow anyone on campus to carry without understand exactly what they are doing with a firearm, and this requires training and testing that should be mandatory.
Skirmisher
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59 for and 41 against
NGIB
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Yup, I think folks should be able to carry on campus. Whose responsibility is it to make sure they're qualified to do so - we the parents. I would never want any of my kids to be in a situation where they can't defend themselves when needs be. In fact just passed on my trusty old Ruger P89 to my middle daughter as she loves to shoot it...
Bones11b
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Just hit it 61/39
W.E.G.
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FIRE MISSION!!!
The Wiry Irishman
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Ha. Me, too. ROTC has nothing to do with weapons training. Our pistol team competes against one or all of the ROTC teams each year, and most of their shooters are hard pressed to keep shots on paper from fifty feet. I've also heard tell (but no concrete confirmation) that when they do get weapons practice they're issued five rounds at a time. I'm not saying ROTC people should be banned from carrying, just that that's an awful counterproductive prerequisite for carrying. Everyone should be able to.
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Do you think it's a good idea to allow college students to carry handguns on campus?
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Thank you for participating in our poll. Here are the results so far. Yes 61%
No 39%
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Thank you for participating in our poll. Here are the results so far. Yes 61%
No 39%
MiddleAgedKen
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Now 64-36 in favor.
Superlite27
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Wha! Huh?!?
O.K. It looks like it has been changed to something about the Holloway case.
It it just me, or does it look like the poll was parked there like a bus when it was backing the anti 2A view, but as soon as it started reflecting a pro 2A outcome, TA DA! How about that Nathalie Holloway case!
Can anyone tell me where to find the final results of the poll? I wonder when they are going to do a report on the outcome?
Does anyone else want to write and ask them about it along with me?
O.K. It looks like it has been changed to something about the Holloway case.
It it just me, or does it look like the poll was parked there like a bus when it was backing the anti 2A view, but as soon as it started reflecting a pro 2A outcome, TA DA! How about that Nathalie Holloway case!
Can anyone tell me where to find the final results of the poll? I wonder when they are going to do a report on the outcome?
Does anyone else want to write and ask them about it along with me?
:banghead: Henry Bowman
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What an extraordinarily bigoted statement.
fletcher
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I live in a metro with several colleges, and graduated not too long ago. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone legally carrying on campus.
People are thinking of this all wrong. If they are allowed to carry there is not suddenly going to be a bunch of armed college students.
They still have to be over 21 to get a carry permit under state law anyway.
Every person over 21 is not going to go through the steps and hassle of getting a permit to carry. On the contrary only those who feel it is important would.
So the only real question is whether college should have more restrictions than the rest of the state for people that go through the exact same steps and pay the exact same fees for a privelidge( don't have to pay for or ask permission for rights) to carry.
Reality however is that people still have them illegaly.
If you make checkpoints and search everyone not only is it going to be expensive, but will indocrinate that whole generation that they have no real rights, should accept no right to privacy, and the government and those in in place to "protect them" can do anything in the name of safety. When such a generation grew up you would find yourself in a very unfree society that people allowed thier overseers near unlimited authority.
Yet a well armed gunman would still just march right through that checkpoint, or use a back entrance, climb a wall, cut through a fence etc, and shoot people and guards on the "gun free" campus. All you would have succeeded in doing by sacrificing so much freedom is insuring minimal opposition.
I am a strong capable man. If I could cause guns to cease to exist right now I would be better of in this world. Women, the handicaped, older people, and others would be worse off, but I would be better off, until I get older or become handicap myself.
Reality is that propelling a projectile by a simple propellant is not something you can uninvent. People can and do make thier own propellants, thier own ammunition, and can make a firearm out of everday items. Villagers in remote parts of Asia use pipes and bolts with the head cut off, hooked up to tripwires to mortaly wound elephants. Basicly makeshift firearms by uneducated people with few resources that can kill an elephant.
In fact it might be more dangerous if you could remove firearms from existing places. Imagine crazed people strapping explosives to themselves or packing thier vehicles and blowing them up because they couldn't get a firearm instead for thier spree. Rather than practicing to shoot like Cho, they research the best way to generate the deadliest blast wave.
I would rather face gunmen while having a gun myself than suicide bombers with nothing.
If guns did not exist the void for angry deranged but calculating people would be filled through another means. Explosives, poisons (what if everyone who ate at the cafeteria for lunch died), etc
A gun in the hands of a shooter is actualy one of the better choices to face.
More people die in a normal daily car combing in parts of the middle east than have died in the largest mass shootings.
More children died in such an incident in our own country than in any of our shootings so far (done by a school board member.)
They still have to be over 21 to get a carry permit under state law anyway.
Every person over 21 is not going to go through the steps and hassle of getting a permit to carry. On the contrary only those who feel it is important would.
So the only real question is whether college should have more restrictions than the rest of the state for people that go through the exact same steps and pay the exact same fees for a privelidge( don't have to pay for or ask permission for rights) to carry.
Umm yeah that is the whole anti logic. If you can simply wish them to not exist where you do not want them by outlawing them in those locations they will not be there.
Reality however is that people still have them illegaly.
If you make checkpoints and search everyone not only is it going to be expensive, but will indocrinate that whole generation that they have no real rights, should accept no right to privacy, and the government and those in in place to "protect them" can do anything in the name of safety. When such a generation grew up you would find yourself in a very unfree society that people allowed thier overseers near unlimited authority.
Yet a well armed gunman would still just march right through that checkpoint, or use a back entrance, climb a wall, cut through a fence etc, and shoot people and guards on the "gun free" campus. All you would have succeeded in doing by sacrificing so much freedom is insuring minimal opposition.
I am a strong capable man. If I could cause guns to cease to exist right now I would be better of in this world. Women, the handicaped, older people, and others would be worse off, but I would be better off, until I get older or become handicap myself.
Reality is that propelling a projectile by a simple propellant is not something you can uninvent. People can and do make thier own propellants, thier own ammunition, and can make a firearm out of everday items. Villagers in remote parts of Asia use pipes and bolts with the head cut off, hooked up to tripwires to mortaly wound elephants. Basicly makeshift firearms by uneducated people with few resources that can kill an elephant.
In fact it might be more dangerous if you could remove firearms from existing places. Imagine crazed people strapping explosives to themselves or packing thier vehicles and blowing them up because they couldn't get a firearm instead for thier spree. Rather than practicing to shoot like Cho, they research the best way to generate the deadliest blast wave.
I would rather face gunmen while having a gun myself than suicide bombers with nothing.
If guns did not exist the void for angry deranged but calculating people would be filled through another means. Explosives, poisons (what if everyone who ate at the cafeteria for lunch died), etc
A gun in the hands of a shooter is actualy one of the better choices to face.
More people die in a normal daily car combing in parts of the middle east than have died in the largest mass shootings.
More children died in such an incident in our own country than in any of our shootings so far (done by a school board member.)
I am soon to attend the University of Alabama and my girlfriend does now. There have been late night study sessions that have made me nervous. I support this bill. I carry whenever I walk her to and from class. As soon as she turns 21, she is planning on carrying. I love this idea. It could make a big difference in some of these shooting situations.
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