LeonCarr
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Poll: Should it be legal to shoot feral cats??
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Heya John,
I have no problem with taking out problem animals. The cats we had to remove were as wild as could be. About 50 feet was as close as we could get to them. We tried several different methods of trapping them but only managed to get about a third of them. The rest we had to shoot and the last few were sneaky as could be avoiding us. I am talking about people who blast at any cat because it is on their property. Cats are roamers it's what they do.
A couple years ago my Dad's neighbors pigs got loose and wandered into my Dad's yard. The amout of damage those 2 pigs did over night was impressive. The yard looked like it had been plowed in spots all over the place. We did not shoot the pigs. I can say the though crossed our minds after seeing the damage they did. We herded them back to the owners place. This same owner has had a horse, cow, 2 pigs, and 3 geese wander our way in the last 5 years. Sometimes it's the owner who need the corrective action.
I have no problem with taking out problem animals. The cats we had to remove were as wild as could be. About 50 feet was as close as we could get to them. We tried several different methods of trapping them but only managed to get about a third of them. The rest we had to shoot and the last few were sneaky as could be avoiding us. I am talking about people who blast at any cat because it is on their property. Cats are roamers it's what they do.
A couple years ago my Dad's neighbors pigs got loose and wandered into my Dad's yard. The amout of damage those 2 pigs did over night was impressive. The yard looked like it had been plowed in spots all over the place. We did not shoot the pigs. I can say the though crossed our minds after seeing the damage they did. We herded them back to the owners place. This same owner has had a horse, cow, 2 pigs, and 3 geese wander our way in the last 5 years. Sometimes it's the owner who need the corrective action.
Where ARE you people?!?
If the question had been vaguely asked as "should we shoot housecats", I'd have said "No." But this about feral cats I've seen thriving quail populations decimated yearly unto local extinction by feral cats. I've seen beloved family pets (including my own cats) get sent for treatment to vets again and again by ravages from lustful or hungry feral cats. I've seen populations explode because no one takes responsibility to neuter them. Feral cats eat untold millions of songbirds and other, non-introduced wildlife every year. It's utterly amazing to me that there are people that are okay with hunting in general, but are against doing away with the dangerous man-introduced predatory pest that is the feral housecat.
Note: I advocate shooting ONLY those cats verified to be wild and unowned. I advocate using good ethics (i.e., clean kills) for killing feral cats.
If the question had been vaguely asked as "should we shoot housecats", I'd have said "No." But this about feral cats I've seen thriving quail populations decimated yearly unto local extinction by feral cats. I've seen beloved family pets (including my own cats) get sent for treatment to vets again and again by ravages from lustful or hungry feral cats. I've seen populations explode because no one takes responsibility to neuter them. Feral cats eat untold millions of songbirds and other, non-introduced wildlife every year. It's utterly amazing to me that there are people that are okay with hunting in general, but are against doing away with the dangerous man-introduced predatory pest that is the feral housecat.
Note: I advocate shooting ONLY those cats verified to be wild and unowned. I advocate using good ethics (i.e., clean kills) for killing feral cats.
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Fumbler
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You mean Asians?
I hear you, and if they were native, that would mean something to me. As non-native animals, they are, IMO like starlings and feral hogs, to be exterminated on sight.
Pets are one thing, and I wouldn't shoot a neighbor's pet simply for trespassing on my property. However, I don't think that's a neighborly thing for them to let happen.
I don't let my pets roam on my neighbor's property, and although it would be nice if they had the same respect for me, I'm not going to shoot their pet to show them the error of their ways. On the other hand, if I don't know who the animal belongs to, it's too far from home and its luck has probably just run out.
FWIW, I have a cat, but it is a pet so I keep it inside where it will be safe.
Art Eatman
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I voted, not that I care about the results. Let those folks worry about Wisconsin; I'll worry about the 50,000 or so acres in my own little playground.
Red mist rules!
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Red mist rules!
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I have been eyeing two cats that come around my house on a regular basis to determine if they are indeed feral or pets. Seems to me that since I can't even pull into my drive way without them bolting they are probably feral. I left a trash bag in the back of my truck overnight about a month ago, and the next morning I had trash all over the bed and even some on the ground around the truck. As soon as I get a shot there will be two less problems.
Mannlicher
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Thorn726 says"shooting ferals bugging you is one thing, hunting them down as sport, ugh.
id treat them as any other pests- you kill roaches, but you dont go out looking for them."
I hunt Bobcats. I hunt Coyotes, and I hunt cats. They are all preditors, and they are all 'fair game'. And yes, I have killed a lot of them.
id treat them as any other pests- you kill roaches, but you dont go out looking for them."
I hunt Bobcats. I hunt Coyotes, and I hunt cats. They are all preditors, and they are all 'fair game'. And yes, I have killed a lot of them.
trickyasafox
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someone said if they were native i'd be with you. . . lol i know its apples to oranges but unless your native american your not exactly native either i like cats. i own cats, that being said, i've shot exactly 1 cat in my life, and it was my pet after it got hit by a car. ferel cats are a big problem, and i have no problems with keeping that population under control, but as far as my personal tastes go, the person who made the cockroach statement said it best. ill take em if absolutely necessary, but im not gonna be lookin to get em. . .
i like cats. i own cats, that being said, i've shot exactly 1 cat in my life, and it was my pet after it got hit by a car. ferel cats are a big problem, and i have no problems with keeping that population under control, but as far as my personal tastes go, the person who made the cockroach statement said it best. ill take em if absolutely necessary, but im not gonna be lookin to get em. . . I'm not exactly feral either. I don't kill native protected wildlife, crap in my neighbor's flowerbeds, spray his hubcaps, spread diseases or parasites to his pets, impregnate his cats, keep him up at night while impregnating his cats, or bite and claw his pets.
Furthermore, while not native, I am a member of a protected species.
Silent-Snail
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I realize my opinion is pretty much debased currency around here, but I seem to recall that this is how Dingos and rabbits maybe, got to be a big problem in Australia. Although it has been a while since I've heard anything so the problem might be under control. I doubt it.
Art Eatman
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SFAIK, the dingo is native to Australia. The rabbits were imported (For sport hunting? I don't really remember.) and it was found out too late that there weren't enough predators or hunters to control the numbers.
redneck, I imagine the "emotionalists" envision hordes of gunners walking the streets of cities and towns, shooting every pet cat they see. An awful lot of, "My mind is made up! Don't try to confuse me with facts!"
, Art
redneck, I imagine the "emotionalists" envision hordes of gunners walking the streets of cities and towns, shooting every pet cat they see. An awful lot of, "My mind is made up! Don't try to confuse me with facts!"
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I am no lover of cats at the best of times but I would never knowingly shoot a neighbors pet (the first time). Cats may be roamers by nature but that does not mean I have to put up with them on my property.
I spent a good part of my youth in Germany where hunters take their hunting seriously (and pay heavily for the privilege). Law any cat or dog in the wild more than 100 meters from the nearest residence (hunting breed dogs excepted) is fair game and dealt with accordingly.
Feral cats and dogs are a real threat to wildlife and pets. Dogs are a threat to human life. If you have a pet you are responsible for both its whereabouts and actions. If the pet is no longer wanted / needed it should be taken to a shelter or dealt with, not dumped for someone else to deal with.
I spent a good part of my youth in Germany where hunters take their hunting seriously (and pay heavily for the privilege). Law any cat or dog in the wild more than 100 meters from the nearest residence (hunting breed dogs excepted) is fair game and dealt with accordingly.
Feral cats and dogs are a real threat to wildlife and pets. Dogs are a threat to human life. If you have a pet you are responsible for both its whereabouts and actions. If the pet is no longer wanted / needed it should be taken to a shelter or dealt with, not dumped for someone else to deal with.
bosshoff
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I remember reading a story about an Aussie who had a dream job. He was a cat killer extrodanaire! He camped out for months on the Galapaogos Islands and shot and killed cats all day long. Seems they were desimating the bird population.
I remember reading a story about an Aussie who had a dream job. He was a cat killer extrodanaire! He camped out for months on the Galapaogos Islands and shot and killed cats all day long.
Seems they were desimating the bird population.BlackCat
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fumbler said:
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Shot placement is crucial on any animal you're going to shoot if you're to expect a clean, humane kill. Where does everyone recommend whacking a meow anyway? It will most likely (ideally) be with a .22LR. I hate to think what kinda mess I'd have to clean up if I use the '06, and I've already seen the carnage cause by an abdominal shot with a 12 gauge at a couple paces.
I don't relish the idea of killing any cat, but there's a black tom hanging around, fighting with my tame, neutered, friendly, ex-house cat, everyday, eating his food, etc. I feel the only way to deal with this problem would be violence by way of the gun. Poision won't work in this situation for obvious reasons.
Being new to this cat shooting (never done one) I was just wondering where's the best place to be aiming, head shot, or boiler room?
deciple-of-keith
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I realize my opinion is pretty much debased currency around here, but I seem to recall that this is how Dingos and rabbits maybe, got to be a big problem in Australia. Although it has been a while since I've heard anything so the problem might be under control. I doubt it.
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The rabbit problem is well and truly under control thanks to the carlisi virus which wiped out rabbits (& pro rabbit shooters) over a couple of months & dingos are no where near the numbers that there used to be . Thanks to baiting trapping and shooting everyone of the sheep killing bastards we see. (mind you I was going to keep one for a pet ! I was going to call it Lyndie & feed it a small child on the odd occastion
) The dingo is not a true Native of AUZ they came across with the first Settlers about 60,000 yrs ago .
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The rabbit problem is well and truly under control thanks to the carlisi virus which wiped out rabbits (& pro rabbit shooters) over a couple of months & dingos are no where near the numbers that there used to be . Thanks to baiting trapping and shooting everyone of the sheep killing bastards we see. (mind you I was going to keep one for a pet ! I was going to call it Lyndie & feed it a small child on the odd occastion
) The dingo is not a true Native of AUZ they came across with the first Settlers about 60,000 yrs ago . why should it even be a question, they are exotic predators in the environment, we should be paid to thin them out. just as the Sea Lamprey was and is a exotic predator in the great lakes, so is the house cat when allowed to go feral. We used to shoot many many on our old farm, the new farm seems to have far fewer of them.
Dale Taylor
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The sentiments of you shooters make me ashamed to visit. You all need strict gun control. SHAME
auschip
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Again, a big difference between feral and pets. :banghead:
In that case, you have my personal permission to stop visiting.Dale Taylor said:
Seriously, being a shooter has nothing to do with this topic. Understanding the effects of non-native, feral species on the environment and on pets does.
Being able to objectively evaluate a difficult situation without being overcome with emotion and sentiment also has a lot to do with it.
I suggest that you go back to your Disney-reality and rest assured in the knowledge that there are thinking people ready to take responsibility for solving the problems caused by the irresponsibility of others.
Art Eatman
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For Dale Taylor: As a Floridian, you're possibly aware of a species of burrowing owl there, that's on the endangered species list? IIRC, they're found around the campus of the Univ. of South Florida and a few other places.
The numbers are/were being depleted by feral cats.
Various authorities were trying methods of reducing the problem, including both live trapping (with the usually-needed euthanasia) and shooting.
Apparently the cats are far more important to the local-area people than are an endangered species, given the number of highly-vocal protest meetings against disturbing Poor PooTat.
But that's the American Way: Perception is more important than reality. Apparently, the perception is that cats don't hunt, and all cats live in nice homes with loving owners--except when they accidentally get outdoors and spend all their time smelling flowers.
Art
The numbers are/were being depleted by feral cats.
Various authorities were trying methods of reducing the problem, including both live trapping (with the usually-needed euthanasia) and shooting.
Apparently the cats are far more important to the local-area people than are an endangered species, given the number of highly-vocal protest meetings against disturbing Poor PooTat.
But that's the American Way: Perception is more important than reality. Apparently, the perception is that cats don't hunt, and all cats live in nice homes with loving owners--except when they accidentally get outdoors and spend all their time smelling flowers.
Art
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