Poor training or double mag?

[History Prof]

ETA: Or Bogus Pic (which is how I see it now).


Anyone here subscribe to [email protected]? A user sent the following to the list this afternoon:

Subject: [AR15-L] bad way to battle

a buddy called the department and checked she slammed an AR mag into the well backwards

dZ

I don't know. What do you guys think? Poor training or just a poor picture of a double mag setup?

 

[Hoppy590]

i think double mag cause it seems too long to be a normal 30rnder and to mee looks liek it goes out, before coming back.

 

[wingnutx]

Verified as an incorrectly inserted magazine.

 

[Mr. Ouchie]

Yeah when someone makes a post on a messageboard it *must* be true. :banghead:

 

[geekWithA.45]

Is it just me, or does she have a really long finger that come off her hand at an unnatural angle?

 

[History Prof]

Ok, I *did* do a search before posting this to avoid a duplicate, but it appears I made a dup anyway:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=234962

 

[tellner]

GWa45, it looks more like a normal hand in partial shadow.

 

[wingnutx]

Yeah when someone makes a post on a messageboard it *must* be true.

He has a lot of cred around here, and if he says he contacted the watch captain down there to verify then I believe him.

 

[Mr. Ouchie]

Apparently

Cred's all you need!

 

[wingnutx]

I have personal experience leading me to believe that he's a standup guy.

Scoff away, holmes.

 

[Lonestar]

Makes sense...Hey captain, I seen this strange picture in a newspaper of one of your officers in your department, under your command, with a AR possibly with the magazine in backwards. I need to know if your officer did a major screw up, so I can post it on an internet gun forum so a bunch of male non LEOs can gloat Sure real creditable

 

[DFW1911]

Easy all, this is THR, right? No need to doubt someone's credibility or intent, is there?

Ummm...to me, it looks like the mag is inserted backwards.

Maybe we should send it to those Myth Buster guys to sort out.



DFW1911

 

[Soybomb]

I was under the impression that most officers carried long guns with a loaded magazine and without a round chambered in a rack. Is the open trunk indicative that perhaps its a bring your own piece?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I was under the impression that most officers carried long guns with a loaded magazine and without a round chambered in a rack. Is the open trunk indicative that perhaps its a bring your own piece?

Given the amount of gear inside squad cars, many police do NOT carry long guns in the cabs of their cars. There simply isn't room. So they carry in the trunk. Just because the trunk is open would not be indicative that it is her own rifle. It may indicate something was obtained from the trunk.

I don't know. What do you guys think? Poor training or just a poor picture of a double mag setup?

How many of you have tried to insert a magazine backwards? They are keyed to fit forwards only. It is one of those design things to help soldiers in battlefield conditions. You may be able to insert one upside down, but short of using a mallet, I don't see how you could insert one backwards.

Given that the officer has the index finger of a highly paid proctologist and the magazine seems to be inserted in a way that would require significant impact strength, and given that nobody here or on the other thread seems to have any sort of real link to the story, it has the earmarks of a photoshopped myth.

Notice there is no mention of the newspaper. Notice there is no date. Notice the officer isn't identified, or a suspect name. There is no date. You know it is Marble Falls, Texas, but the photograph is a "Courtesy Photo" from an unknown source. There is a water stain on the image as well for the image that is low quality (as you would expect from a newspaper image).

If you do a search on any of the text provided in the small clipping on Google, you won't find a link to this picture at its source. Why?

This happened fairly recently right? So it must be out there on the internet in the original form or SOMEBODY has another copy they can scan and post showing more of the page, right? I would suggest combing your back issues of the Marble Falls paper, "The Highlander."

I don't know, but something other than a highly copied and pasted supposed clipping would be nice to put this story to rest.

 

[El Tejon]

The fact that she has inserted the magazine upside down and backwards (and empty if I am seeing correctly), her dust cover is open and she is standing full value numbnuts to any potential threat suggests poor training, or a complete lack of training.

From what I have been told is that as the "patrol rifle" becomes the hip, cool thing to have that training is given cursory attention (big surprise) as the money is allocated to purchase the gear, no thought of what next is extended for the officers benefit.

My wish is that this pic is given maximum circulation so that it is readily available the next time we have to endure the police or politicians talk about how "well trained" police officers are with firearms.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

If the story and pic are verified, then sure, good distribution.

As for standing full value, etc., without knowing the contest of the moment the picture was taken, nobody has any way of knowing what the situation was at that moment and so don't know what she was doing at that moment. Her positioning may be fine or it could be completely stupid, but there isn't the information in the pic to know the context and timing.

 

[dragongoddess]

Whats amazing is some of you believe this. Talk about gullable

 

[Sean Dempsey]

The magazine is CLEARLY in backwards. I've attached a digitally enhanced image which shows that.

 

[sicario103]

Well, if it is a real pic, she better get a new job 'cause she'll never hear the end of it from her fellow police officers. abahaha

 

[dragongoddess]

Now its been a long time since I had a M16 in my hands but I'm pretty sure you cannot put the mag in that way. They only fire one one way that I remember. So what you see is either the other mag or its a doctored pic. and her trigger fringer seems to be abnormally long leading me to believe its a doctored pic.

 

[sacp81170a]

I was highly suspicious, so I just tried it on my AR. You can't get the magazine to go more than a quarter of an inch into the well because there is no slot in the front of the mag well to accept the protrusion on the back of the mag. No way I could insert it far enough to keep it from falling out while I shouldered the weapon. The photo is bogus. Next question.

 

[glummer]

I vote bogus, too. The odd trigger finger, I think, is actually part of another hand, viewed from the left, inserting a mag or just holding the mag well.

 

[Lupinus]

at least shes exorcising trigger control

 

[History Prof]

OK, I've seen this photo on several web sites recently, but one question that I still haven't seen answered on any of them:


In what newspaper did this originally appear?

 

[Lonestar]

Did anyone notice the officer trigger finger looks like ET's and is as long as her hand, and the magazine has a line thru it and seem somewhat off center (look at the blowup on the beginning of the thread). I was going to say it was a Photoshop too, but then again someone with internet credit told us otherwise

Look she is an officer in a major police department, she had weapons training, probably more than some on this board. Like others have said it is almost impossible to put a steel AR mag in backwards. Can we call this a hoax, or does the sexist, anti-cop, un-knowledgeable banter needs to continue.