Popular False rumors about war

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WOW! That's freakin' amazing! I would have NEVER thought that would be possible.

So, although the Navy doesn't do this, in theory they actually COULD, if an emergency need to do so arose? Since nobody's trained to do that in 40+ years, think of the stones it would take to volunteer for that mission.
 
Regarding the use of nuclear weapons…

As a chap whenever I heard the argument about how terrible it was that nuclear weapons were dropped on Japan, I used to think if it was so horrible (and ain’t nothing pretty about it), why did it take two?

If you can believe the history channel, I saw a program a few years back that said Japanese leaders were not going to surrender after the second bomb was dropped, but after it was, Stalin realized it was going to be over pretty quickly and finally declared war against Japan. He then prepared to launch massive invasions from the north, hoping to grab as much of Japan as possible. When the Japanese leaders realized this, they quickly decided (like the Germans) that it would be much better to surrender to the USA than Russia!

There was also a program on Japan’s secret nuclear test. They reported that Japan had a group of scientists on a shoestring budget that managed to make a nuclear bomb and set it off on an island off the coast of Japan, but I think this was after the first US bomb was dropped, so it was a bit late in the game.
Even if they did have workable versions, delivery was their main problem. I think ‘bout the only plans they had to possibly deliver one to the US was by using one of their submarine carriers, figuring it was the only way they would get close enough to the US undetected in order to launch a nuclear air strike. ‘Course, I don’t remember if they got into the problems or size limitations involved in launching a submarine carrier plane with a nuclear device-I’m sure it wouldn’t be anything like Fat Man or Little Boy AFA size/yield?
 
(quote)"Nuclear Capable Aircraft:

B-29 Liberator
B- 36 Peacemaker
B-47 Stratojet
B-50 Superfortress
B-58 Hustler
A-6 Intruder
S-3 Viking
P-3 Orion
F/A-18 Hornet
F-16 Fighting Falcon
FB-111
H-3 Sea King Helicopter
Mig 27
Tu-95 Bear
Tu-16 Badger
Tu-22 Blinder
Tu-22M Backfire "

I believe the Boeing B-29 was the "super fortress", the Cosolidated B-24 was the "Liberator". :)
 
Some other foreign weapons the US has used:

the French Charleville musket - used during the Revolutionary War and the 1795 Springfield musket is based on it
the Krag Jorgensen (Norwegian in origin but about half a million of them were made by Springfield)
the Enfield (British in origin, but some were made in the USA; some US troops used them in WW1)
1853 Enfield Rifled Musket - used by both sides in The Civil War
Chauchat Light Machine Gun - French, also used by USA, Belgium, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Greece, and Poland in WW1
M249 SAW - a variant of the Belgian FN Minimi
 
Yes, a really good read if you can get by the errors and misrepresentations.

Okay, I am at a loss. Popular rumors? Honestly, I have only heard of one of them.

War rumors? Many of these are simply technical rumors, not war rumors. Others are simply opinions, not facts.

All I saw was someone setting up a bunch of straw men, knocking them down and proclaiming victory. I wish I had the time back I spent reading this thread. Hey, brigadier, if you're such a military historian, what bomber preceded the SR-71 in development?

As for "false" "rumors", why don't you just admit that you're trying to "stir" "the pot"? Smells like troll soup to me.
 
Another common rumor:
Soldiers have been known to eat babies.
Status: FALSE
Soldiers have never been recorded in any act of eating babies.

See, this is easy!
 
I read much BS here and there, and also a lot of forgotten things..

for example, if you mention Russian airplanes as nuclear capable, don't forget the many French, British, and most probably Israeli airplanes that do the same.. (not to speak about Pakistani or Indians, or chinese..)

The Harriers and Raptors are the only plains that can take-off and land on aircraft carriers without assistance

as for that..

I'd really like to see a F-22 Raptor operated from an aircraft carrier.. with our without assistance.. show me one doing that, and I will post a picture of me flying with my ears only...
 
The Harriers and Raptors are the only plains that can take-off and land on aircraft carriers without assistance

Hmm, seems like Jimmy Doolittle took off in 1942 with some B-25's........ :)
 
Only taking off... with most of the armour and defensive guns removed..

actually, any aircraft could take off from a carrier if the speed of the ship +the speed he can reach on the deck is high enough to lift her...

but it's much harder to make an airplane able to sustain a catapult, or even worse, a trapped landing (catchin' the wires)..
 
Only taking off... with most of the armour and defensive guns removed..

2 B25's landed on carriers in Norfolk during planning stages for the Doolittle raid but it was decided it was too risky to attempt for the actual mission.
I saw some photos on a website once, I'll see if I can find it again. They painted the outline of the deck on a runway and it worked so they tried the real thing.

B25's took off and landed both from the USS Shangri-La in November, 1944 but they did use the catapult and hook if I remember.

C130 did it too....No cat, no hook.

http://www.cgaux.com/C-130carrierlanding.htm
 
Yep, for the Hercules,I know it was done, I saw the video..

But considering the size of US AC , the speed of the carrier, the wind at sea , + the landing speed and the possible reverse of it's engines, it's not so astonishing.. Sure, it requires guts, but it's far too complicated and dangerous to be used in real, and large scale operations.

As I said : any aircraft could take off from a carrier if the speed of the ship +the speed he can reach on the deck is high enough to lift her...

Same goes for landing, (lifting speed = approx landing speed) , and if the airplane as a good breaking capabilty.. Maybe it was done in Norfolk..

B25's took off and landed both from the USS Shangri-La in November, 1944 but they did use the catapult if I remember.

Never heard about that, thx for the info. I will look for more precision about that. they must have used wires, cause as far as I know B-25 breakes were not that strong, and it had no "reverse" capabilities.
 
My favorite war rumor is the one that Saddam Hussein was "personally involved" (how the poll question was phrased) in the 9/11 attacks. More than 2/3 of Americans believed that falsehood before the war and, according to the most recent polling, some 30-40% still do.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/13081

Not true, never was, and yet, 40% still believe! Now that's an effective rumor, and one with much bigger consequences than whether the USS Enterprises displaces a few more thousand tons than the Nimitz.
 
ever heard about that, thx for the info. I will look for more precision about that. they must have used wires, cause as far as I know B-25 breakes were not that strong, and it had no "reverse" capabilities.

Yeah, its some interesting stuff. They did testing of P51's and F7F Tigercats too.

B-25 brakes are pretty stout actually you just couldn't apply them heavily and evenly both with any regularity.
I've got a couple hundred hours in B25s but mostly in the right seat.
 
* War heros usually make good national leaders.

Though war heros tend to make either very good or very bad national leaders, they usually make bad ones. The reasons vary but may include these factors:
* Warriors are exposed to massive killing and often brutality which can have negative affects on their ability to have respect for life.
* Warriors, particularly the ones who become heros, tend to have a very strong sense of conviction, which may serve good or bad purposes.
* The battlefield is full of harmful and bad feelings that can also hurt someones regard for life.

1. Adolph Hitler was a terrible man, and a great leader. He brought Germany out of a depression, and was smart enough to realize, if you feed people at your rallies, they will come and listen.

2. Losing respect for life, is NOT one of the things commonly brought on by killing people and the brutality that goes along with it. To the contrary, it increases your respect for life. It's not just the enemy being killed.

3. The Battlefield is full of harmful and bad feelings. So are any number of places outside of a battlefield. Being exposed to these "harmful and bad feelings" makes no one any better or worse of a leader because of it.

4. That sense of conviction you speak of, that goes along with War Heroes, can be found in any walk of life, not just in the Military. There are any number of people with a serious sense of conviction, and to suggest that a military War Hero is at a higher risk of being an extremist seems a bit, well, extreme, to me.

I'm fairly offended at, what I feel, is an insinuation that those that go into battle are a bunch of bloodthirsty killers with no regard for life. I don't know if that was your actual intent or not, or if it came across that way to anyone other than me, but that's how I saw it. Maybe I'm out of line here, I don't know.
 
I've got a couple hundred hours in B25s but mostly in the right seat
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wow, impressive ! congrats.

I never flew one, but visited one. We have one flying near here, in Sion. (their website http://www.jaf.ch/jaf/index.php ) .

Navy pilots have guts, anyway.

If you want to laugh a bit, listen to that Dos Gringos song (They are USAF pilots and part time singers)

http://www.dosgringosrocks.com/audio/DOS_GRINGOS-I_Want_to_From_a.m3u

wanna take off from a carrier some day before I die
Strap that Viper to a catapult and watch that sucker fly
200 knots in under 2 seconds
That's my kinda fun
Do a barrel roll just after takeoff
Just like in Top Gun
But I don't wanna land
Allow me to explain and you'll understand
'Cause it ain't about the landing
Why would I care?
You never have a crosswind and you never have to flare
You got 4 ****ing wires, how could you miss?
I can't think of anything that's easier than this
But once you're on the deck my friend you'll never be the same
'Cause you're stuck on a boat in the middle of nowhere with five thousand other men
Join the navy? I don't think so
Living on a boat? I don't think so
Hot bunking? I don't think so
Doing night traps? **** that! I don't think so

Sure I thought about the Navy but decided to pass
I love my five star hotels and per diem out the ass
I do all of my fighting well within the shore
Cable TV and cappacinos - that's the way that you fight a war
This spoiled life - it can grow old
When the coffee ain't fresh, the sheets ain't soft and the beer is only somewhat cold


and if you like them, listen their whole album here

http://www.dosgringosrocks.com/music.html

be aware-- explicit language..

ps: this one is a special for THR !

http://www.dosgringosrocks.com/audio/DOS_GRINGOS-Going_In_For.m3u

(LOTS of fighter pilot slang... so look for a lexical if you dont get all..)
 

I'm actually surprised it lasted this long.

Mods must be enjoying their Sunday doing something real :)

ETA:

If you want to laugh a bit, listen to that Dos Gringos song (They are USAF pilots and part time singers)

OK that's the funniest thing I ever heard LOL
 
The F-35 JSF has VTOL capability and will be able to operate on carriers.

Oh, yeah- I was incorrect about the B-24 Liberator, the B-29 Superfortress, and B-50 Superfortress. The B24 was not nuclear capable, the B29 and B50 were.
 
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