Positive ending CCW story involving female outside of the home in Chicago

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Seems like a tall order. Better to not be a criminal preying on others to begin with.
And that's the option that's NEVER considered.

If you don't want to get shot, your FIRST priority should be to NOT make yourself an immediate and credible threat to somebody else's life and limb.

You're admonished to risk your life and limb to avoid shooting a threat, while the threat is NEVER admonished to not BE a threat.
 
Slightly different account of the story here:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...ealed-carry-shoots-robber-20190109-story.html

Suspect supposedly shot in the 'chest' (not neck) and ran 'home'....which sounds more plausible than being shot in the neck. But either way...the woman successfully defended herself.

Generally speaking...it is inadvisable to try to 'draw' on an already drawn weapon, BUT sometimes circumstance might demand it (I.E. you are convinced that the perpetrator is going to shoot you regardless whether you cooperate or not).

I do agree with others that IF/When you draw your weapon...it be in response to a clear/imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm and that you do so with resolve. If you are not mentally prepared to defend yourself using potentially lethal force, then I submit you should not be carrying.

No one wants to be put in a situation where they are forced to fire upon another. But if that day comes...you MUST be able to do it...without hesitation. It is important to remember that you are NOT firing your weapon with the intent to 'kill'. You are simply doing what is necessary to 'STOP' the threat. IF your attacker should die as a result of that...so be it. But DO shoot to center mass (unless there is body armor) as this presents the largest target and gives you the best chance hitting vitals.
 
The trick is to prevent excess adrenaline from flowing. This could potentially save your life and lives of others.
Good luck doing that though. Your body produces it naturally as physical threats occur. You're either able to function during an adrenaline dump or you are not able to function.

Your best bet is to engage in 'stress innoculation' through training. That way you're somewhat used being able to function in front of people with the threat of failing miserably as an incentive to work it out. The more you do that the less likely you are to fail if/when the real deal happens.

You can't really much about encounters except to be adequately prepared for them. Not just in having a bunch of weapons and gear, but in having training, skills AND the weapons/tools/gear. The situation that you're dealing with might not even be a violent attack by someone or several people looking to do you harm. It might be some other form of emergency.

You can increase your odds by ....
• Maintaining a decent level of physical fitness.
• Keeping aware of what's going on around you. You can't avoid situations or respond to them if you have your head in your phone.
• Training at reputable schools ('hands on', retention, edged and impact weapons, pistol courses, vehicle courses, low light, shotgun or carbine etc).
• Consistently carrying. Owning a pistol doesn't do you much good if it's at home when you need it. Carrying a flashlight, a knife, an extra mag, having a first aid kit and a tool kit in your vehicle might also be a very good idea.
• Knowing some first aid. Taking a CPR, first aid course or becoming an EMT at the local college (it doesn't really take that long) or through an online course. Be a first responder to your own incident while waiting for Police-Fire-EMS. (As an example I've been in EMS since 1997 and our CPR save rates go way up with bystander CPR. Just waiting for us to respond without doing anything on your own isn't always going to have a good outcome).
• Not putting yourself into bad situations to begin with and/or by not going dangerous places. We respond to bars and dope houses a lot more than we do to churches. We respond to domestic situations gone bad where one party stays in the relationship long past the point of getting bad signals more than houses where people are in happy marriages.
• Keeping you vehicle well maintained and by having the tools and skills to change a tire or getting it running again if it breaks down.

You can't really control much of what happens in violent situations. You can't control how many people attack you and what weapons they bring to the party. Many times you can't control where it occurs.

What you can control is you and your state of readiness.

This semi-rant started with a sentence on adrenaline though. So I'll end with that, if you're used to being able to perform tasks in semi-stressful situations your ability to respond and control how you function when you get that adrenaline dumping into your bloodstream is going to increase.
 
So here is an interesting post-script to this story. Someone attempted to drum up some sympathy for the dead guy. I firmly believe people are throwing pasta on the wall every day to see what sticks. If it sticks, then they’ll push a little further. Hence the progress in “Think Progress”. Be vigilant!

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/15/think-progress-furious-woman-defended-armed-robbery-chicago/

I have a standard answer for those clowns. - Unnecessary violence is immoral, answering unnecessary violence with more effective violence is survival.
 
I don’t think their goal is just to get sympathy, they are trying to use sympathy to further anti gun sentiment. I actually have (some) sympathy even though I think the shooting was 100% justified.

To me there is no positive ending to this story. I am very glad the woman defended herself and was not harmed. She had to do what she had to do. She has to live with killing someone. I believe people should defend themselves when they are attacked. He had a gun and this is a very clear cut, justified, case of self defense. I'm glad this was shared because it does illustrate the need for people to be able to defend themselves.

All that said, there are plenty of teenagers in this world that start out on the wrong side of the law and are somehow reached and turn themselves around and become good people. He's not going to get that chance. Maybe this is the way it had to be, but I'm still not going to dance on his grave like some ghoul.

I don't think that Zack Ford tweet should have made headlines. Dude is obviously just trying to cash in on gun hysteria and get attention by saying idiotic things, shame on him.
 
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So here is an interesting post-script to this story. Someone attempted to drum up some sympathy for the dead guy. I firmly believe people are throwing pasta on the wall every day to see what sticks. If it sticks, then they’ll push a little further. Hence the progress in “Think Progress”. Be vigilant!

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/15/think-progress-furious-woman-defended-armed-robbery-chicago/


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Zack Ford is in a word, a monster.

He reminds me of the woman who used to call Cleveland radio shows in the early '90s and brag about how she was pen pals with a bunch of serial killers and child molesters, and how awful the relatives of the victims were.

I can't tell the difference between him and the women who send lingerie and marriage proposals to the likes of Charles Manson.
 
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Previous charges - Booking Charge:

720 ILCS 570/402(A)(1)(A)

Possession of a Controlled Substance
  • Up to Class 1 Felony
  • Up to 50 years in prison
  • Fines up to $250,000
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/19-year-old-shot-fernwood-concealed-carry-holder-identified/

So why was this guy back out on the streets?

Good for this woman! And the comments agree with us as well. MAYBE some of those elected folks will start to see it is in their best interest to have those that vote alive and on their side.
 
So why was this guy back out on the streets?

Good for this woman! And the comments agree with us as well. MAYBE some of those elected folks will start to see it is in their best interest to have those that vote alive and on their side.
The first highly publicized self-defense shooting after Ohio got "shall issue" concealed carry was of a nitwit in Cleveland named Arthur Buford.

Little Artie decided that he and a friend would rob a guy on his own front lawn. Artie got, to borrow an idiom from the movie Blade Runner, "aired out" by his intended victim, and to borrow another idiom from Monty Python's Flying Circus, "snuffed it" on the spot.

When he got his, to borrow a Stalin era Soviet idiom, sentence of "ten years without the right to correspond", Arthurius was on parole for, wait for it... ARMED ROBBERY.

His mutant family and "posse" were utterly horrified at the nearly complete lack of sympathy for him in the Black community. The general consensus was, "If you don't want to get shot, don't try to rob people." When the victim's home was vandalized, a twenty four hour guard was mounted by the Cleveland Police Department and the Cleveland NAACP.

Some people just can't learn unless the instructional material is delivered in 230gr. doses, at 950 feet per second...
 
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Zack Ford is in a word, a monster.

He reminds me of the woman who used to call Cleveland radio shows in the early '90s and brag about how she was pen pals with a bunch of serial killers and child molesters, and how awful the relatives of the victims were.

I can't tell the difference between him and the women who send lingerie and marriage proposals to the likes of Charles Manson.

Maybe if Zack were to become the victim of a violent robbery involving him getting shot, his attitude would change.

Since this was a black on black incident, it will most likely get swept away by the media shortly. This shows that folks who live/work in the "bad neighborhood" can be safe, take care of themselves, and not take any crap off the street thugs.
 
Maybe if Zack were to become the victim of a violent robbery involving him getting shot, his attitude would change.

Since this was a black on black incident, it will most likely get swept away by the media shortly. This shows that folks who live/work in the "bad neighborhood" can be safe, take care of themselves, and not take any crap off the street thugs.
My experiences living in Chicago have convinced me that the anti-gun left has a "game preserve" model of the Black community.

In a game preserve, there are antelope and lions. There are also game wardens who maintain "order" in the preserve.

The wardens consider it only "natural" that the lions take a few antelope. It's just a cost of doing business... so long as nothing happens to the wardens and the tourists.

On the other hand, they would be utterly horrified if the antelope suddenly grew fangs and claws and started disemboweling the lions. They might even question their ability to keep the antelope on the preserve.

To that end, they are absolutely committed to pulling the claws and fangs from any antelope who grow them, and even more so to convince the antelope that they have a duty to meekly be the lions' prey.
 
The first highly publicized self-defense shooting after Ohio got "shall issue" concealed carry was of a nitwit in Cleveland named Arthur Buford.

Little Artie decided that he and a friend would rob a guy on his own front lawn. Artie got, to borrow an idiom from the movie Blade Runner, "aired out" by his intended victim, and to borrow another idiom from Monty Python's Flying Circus, "snuffed it" on the spot.

When he got his, to borrow a Stalin era Soviet idiom, sentence of "ten years without the right to correspond", Arthurius was on parole for, wait for it... ARMED ROBBERY.

His mutant family and "posse" were utterly horrified at the nearly complete lack of sympathy for him in the Black community. The general consensus was, "If you don't want to get shot, don't try to rob people." When the victim's home was vandalized, a twenty four hour guard was mounted by the Cleveland Police Department and the Cleveland NAACP.

Some people just can't learn unless the instructional material is delivered in 230gr. doses, at 950 feet per second...

That is the funniest thing I've read in ages. Thank you!!
 
According to the NRA it's the thousands per year!


According to this National Academies of Science report the actual number of defensive use events may be in the hundreds of thousands each year.

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#45

It does discuss a number of risks associated with firearms ownership, but 2 key takeaways are that victims that use firearms in self defense likely suffer less severe injuries than those that don’t (surprise!), and defensive displays are a lot more common than anyone in positions of authority want to admit.
 
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Slightly different account of the story here:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...ealed-carry-shoots-robber-20190109-story.html

Suspect supposedly shot in the 'chest' (not neck) and ran 'home'....which sounds more plausible than being shot in the neck. But either way...the woman successfully defended herself.

Generally speaking...it is inadvisable to try to 'draw' on an already drawn weapon, BUT sometimes circumstance might demand it (I.E. you are convinced that the perpetrator is going to shoot you regardless whether you cooperate or not).

I do agree with others that IF/When you draw your weapon...it be in response to a clear/imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm and that you do so with resolve. If you are not mentally prepared to defend yourself using potentially lethal force, then I submit you should not be carrying.

No one wants to be put in a situation where they are forced to fire upon another. But if that day comes...you MUST be able to do it...without hesitation. It is important to remember that you are NOT firing your weapon with the intent to 'kill'. You are simply doing what is necessary to 'STOP' the threat. IF your attacker should die as a result of that...so be it. But DO shoot to center mass (unless there is body armor) as this presents the largest target and gives you the best chance hitting vitals.

Good for the woman exercising her right to self defense. Her ccw certainly kept her from being harmed further.
As I see it she also sent a clear message to criminal elements in Chicago " that we will not go quietly into the night" .

The incident is positive for law abiding gun owners and a blow again gun grabbers through media headlines. Reporting how armed felons still are able to obtain weapons but citizens can't without special permission from big brother.

We all have made decisions about our self defense most here would do what it takes, but weust becareful what we say and to whom. The reason is that le will use our words against us if they can to convict us for defending ourselves. Statements like center of mass to le is like premeditation.

The woman will have to live with her decision. It was the right one without question, better to live with that than what might have happened that she could have prevented.

I know my incident was more than 25 years ago and it still effects me. She has a long road ahead of her.
 
There was a story here in the Houston Chronicle yesterday (I will try and find it) about a store owner who pulled a gun to threaten a robber...who took it away and killed the store owner with it.
WIthout knowing all the details, its hard to comment on this specific case.

This does bring two things to mind about using a gun for self defense. First, you don't pull a gun to "threaten" someone, you pull it to shoot them in order to protect yourself of someone else. "Threatening" someone with a guns is actually illegal in many places. Second, you should not even try to use a gun for self defense unless you are prepared to actually shoot someone. Producing a gun, and then being unwilling to shoot can lead to just this result.
 
Have no doubt in your mind that were the roles reversed, he would have no trouble AT ALL living with what he did. In fact, if he'd done much worse, he'd savor the memory for the rest of his life.

True he probably would some miswired people have no concept of remorse.
 
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