Post Office CCW

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Doesn't anyone notice the contradiction between saying "no guns in the Post Office" and the regulations allowing the mailing of guns. If I can't bring a boxed up gun into the PO, how can I mail it?

If they mean no carrying of readily available weapons on the person, then they should say so.

Jim
 
ordfan, did it say "federal law" or "federal regulation"?

I don't remember, but i have to go to the post office on Tuesday to pick up a package so ill snap a picture of it w/ my camera phone.
 
The way I think of it is, who the hell cares? If it's concealed then nobody knows it's there. The only reason somebody would find out is if you had to take it out and use it, in which case I would gladly spend the night in jail in order to protect my life. It might be different if you were a postal employee and you have to spend all day there...but you should be in and out in a few minutes.

It's only illegal if you get caught...;)
 
public bldgs-USPS signs...

If you look around most public areas(schools, offices/city hall/police stations/public libraries/post offices etc) you will see signs or notices that say you must not have any weapons/firearms.

Serious jail time and fines can be made for any violations.

Check your local laws for more details.

Rusty

:D
 
BigBlock said:
It's only illegal if you get caught...
You make it sound like getting caught is no big deal. In fact, getting caught could result in a fedral felony conviction and loss of the right to even touch a firearm or even a single cartridge for the rest of your life. I'd rather not risk that.

Aside from which, you statement is nonesense. It is illegal whether or not you get caught. The only difference not getting caught makes is that you haven't been caught ... yet.
 
It's only illegal if you get caught

That's the kind of attitude that the anti-gunners just love to see. Just gives them more justification to portray gun-owners as people who could care less about the law.:barf:
 
If you look around most public areas(schools, offices/city hall/police stations/public libraries/post offices etc) you will see signs or notices that say you must not have any weapons/firearms.
All those places are legal here except, possibly, maybe, the post office.
 
My question is, who the heck actually goes to a Post Office anymore?
That may be a valid question in Fort Worth, Sigman, but I will assure you that it is not where I live well out in the boondocks in this part of Texas. I and everyone else living on the beautiful Bolivar Peninsula receive no mail deliveries by the USPS -- neither to homes nor businesses. ("Businesses" here means one decent-sized country grocery store and several watering holes). :)

I will assume that the reason for this is that our homes have to be on pilings of adequate height to put our first floor 16 feet above water level. "Water level" here is the beach I see out my window.

I and my lady must do essentially all our shopping other than for groceries on the Internet, which causes some severe problems as to what we should use for a shipping address -- our Post Office Box or our physical address? Commercial delivery services such as UPS, DHL and FedEx do deliver to our home.

One has to be in our position before one realizes how many vendors' web sites do not advise the mode of shipment. Some, but not many, leave a space on their web site for comments. Even after using the telephone sometimes we have to just cross our fingers and hope for the best. Amazon.com, for example, is one of the worst. They assert on the phone that they have no idea in advance which mode will be used; it's up to some guy downstairs at the end of the chain in the delivery room.

But I stray from the topic. Our situation vis-a-vis the Post Office raises an interesting, but real, subset of the question which started this thread.

(Bear with me and let us assume, for the moment, despite the sea-lawyering we have sometimes seen on this thread, that it is indeed unlawful for me to walk into a U. S. Post Office carrying a concealed handgun pursuant to my valid Texas CHL, and bear with me further and let us also assume that if something is unlawful, it is unlawful, whether you are caught at it or not).

My darling wife has instructed me to stop at the Post Office and pick up her latest pile of catalogues on my way home from our one grocery store. I am armed, as is usually the case.

Given our assumption (and my personal belief) that I cannot lawfully carry my firearm into the Post Office, what then is my alternative, if any? Perhaps another Texican might help me with my dilemma.

In order to remain in compliance with both federal and state law,

a. Can I leave my firearm in my car in the Post Office parking lot?
b. ... in plain view in the car?
c. ... locked in the glove compartment?
d. ... locked in the trunk?

Or must I go straight home from the grocery store, disarm, and then return to the Post Office?

Is there another alternative?

If this question is easy, let's complicate it a bit, and put my wife in the car, and assume that she does not have a CHL, although she in fact does. Can I leave my handgun with her in the car while I go into the Post Office, whether locked up or not, without leaving her in violation of the law, either federal or state?

Before giving me your advice, I will remind you of the ground rules I have expressed, including that I must, given our assumptions, remain in compliance with both federal and state law.

Should there be any thoughts to the contrary, this is not a hypothetical question intended to highjack a thread. It is a real question I face probably five days a week.

And thus endeth the exam,

Jim
 
If you really want to know if it's O.K. to carry in the Post Office - ask a lawyer! - don't go by the advise given by a bunch of yahoos on the internet.
LOL, and if you don't like the answer you get then ask ANOTHER lawyer. Because for every lawyer you ask you will surely get a different answer! :D

Cheers,
ChickenHawk
 
drbironhead

I was not there on official business. I was out of uniform and 700 miles out of my jurisdiction in dirty.......er well worn Carhartts and doing personal stuff like going to the USGS map store and BATFEces to get a C&R application.

Funny though, I had run of the building, but BATFEces wouldn't admit me into their office. They made me stand out in the hallway instead and brought the paperwork out to me.:D
 
The upsetting short answer is, no we can not,

However, that is based on the fact that according to the written letter of the law, we can. But the legal dept of the USPS says we can't and they will have you arrested if they catch you, and will happily let you as a taxpayer pay for both sides of the legal war.

a good test case would be a guy who has good legal advise, a willing band of 2A Attorneys and is not worried about getting a felony conviction if he loses. Are you that guy?
 
That says it all, Pete. One can sit here all day and debate esoteric legalisms, or one can put his money where his mouth is.

Jim
 
The post office has the habit of quoting just the regulations that say 'keep the gun out' while ignoring the clause in the regulations that implement the law.

Regulation:
"Regulation is a rule or order having force of law issued by executive authority or government(e.g. by federal administrative agency)."

Blacks Law Dictionary. Sixth Edition
 
Stevelyn

Well they werent suppose to let u in then but alot of guards at federal buildings dont mine if u carry. but i wouldent advice doing it anywere else. Bottem line be carful u dont want to lose ur job becasue u carried in a federal building off duty. I personaly think LEO's should be able to carry in a federal building off duty as long as the guards know ur an off duty LEO.
 
Sir Aardvark said:
I'm surprised no one has supplied this link yet from The Gun Zone calling the "No Carry in Post Office" law B.S.:

http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rtc-usps.html

If you really want to know if it's O.K. to carry in the Post Office - ask a lawyer! - don't go by the advise given by a bunch of yahoos on the internet.
What the attorney who wrote the article that link leads to has overlooked is a couple of "minor" technicalities, such as (a) Post offices are operated by the USPS, which has not been fully a branch of the government for many years; and (b) 39USC410 specifically says that post offices don't fall under 18USC930, except for a couple of narrowly-defined areas that don't happen to include the 2nd Amendment.

I have run the question past an attorney friend whose opinion I trust more than some guy on the Internet who claims to be an attorney, and his conclusion is 39USC410 trumps, and carry in post offices is NOT legal.
 
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