Post YOUR Favorite Self Defense handloads!!

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10mm Auto
Remington Nickel brass
Remington 180 grain Golden Sabre
CCI350 magnum large pistol primers
10.8 grains IMR 800-x

5" barrel: 1406 FPS; 790 ft/lbs
3.5" barrel: 1342 FPS; 720 ft/lbs

This load gives penetration ranging from 13" to 17" in ballistic clay and expansion is ~.8". The same load using Speer 180 gr. TMJ gives over 20" of penetration with no expansion.

I figure if 11 rounds of that doesn't do my bidding, I should have had a rifle.
 
Not to piss in the party's punch bowl, but you might give some consideration to the defensibility, in court, of hand loads, should you have to defend yourself with same. Apparently, from my readings, a sharp prosecutor will use this as a premise to try to prove any number of erroneous points which will make little sense to a gunner, but may paint that same gunner in a bad light to a less than gun savvy jury...
SatCong
 
SatKong said:
Not to piss in the party's punch bowl, but you might give some consideration to the defensibility, in court, of hand loads, should you have to defend yourself with same. Apparently, from my readings, a sharp prosecutor will use this as a premise to try to prove any number of erroneous points which will make little sense to a gunner, but may paint that same gunner in a bad light to a less than gun savvy jury...
SatCong
No one has to this date ever produced even a tiny shred of evidence that using handloads in a self defense shooting has been used by a prosecutor in his argument let alone won a case based on it. Masaad Ayoob postulates what you have noted but at this point that's all it is - postulation.

BUT - if you have evidence to the contrary please cite it as it would end a very long standing argument in the gun community as well as here on the High Road.
 
Loup,
My conjecture was the result of reading Mr. Ayoob's writings on the subject. Makes sense to me, as a lawyer would be remiss, in my opinion, if he failed to postulate any arguement that migh help his client win.
SatCong
 
SatKong, go read THIS thread. It is here at THR. It is 177 posts long. Mas and several others discuss this very issue. By reading the pros and cons, you may have an informed opinion, which may or may not agree with your present "conjecture."

At least do the homework.

8.5 gr TightGroup
WLP primer
240 gr Hornady XTP
Vaquero in .44 w/5.25 inch barrel.
 
Werewolf said:
No one has to this date ever produced even a tiny shred of evidence that using handloads in a self defense shooting has been used by a prosecutor in his argument let alone won a case based on it. Masaad Ayoob postulates what you have noted but at this point that's all it is - postulation.

BUT - if you have evidence to the contrary please cite it as it would end a very long standing argument in the gun community as well as here on the High Road.

That's all fine and dandy, but I don't want to be the benchmark case for this. Kind of like the old west movie where the guy with a 6-shooter holds back the mob. They all know how many shots he has, but nobody wants to be one of the six.......(neither do I)
 
I vote everyone who is worried about the legal implications of using handloads starts thread number 9,987,332,789,434 about that topic, and let others answer the question at the head of this thread, which clearly presupposes a decision one way or the other about that terribly overhashed debate.

Thanks, and here's another one, for open country/woods carry:

Starline 45 AutoRim cases
6.2 gr. 231
255 gr. LSWC (i.e., a '45 colt' bullet)
Roll-crimped at crimp groove.

Does 900 fps from my 4" 625, which is thus made into a reassuring outdoors gun.
 
ChristopherG said:
I vote everyone who is worried about the legal implications of using handloads starts thread number 9,987,332,789,434 about that topic, .........................QUOTE]

I second. All in favor, say "aye." All opposed, bye.
 
Al,
Do your own homework, I merely suggested it would be reasonable to "consider" the implications. If that suggestion chafes your balls, then you need a liitle salve, boy.
SatCong
 
Ease up son...As they have said. It has already been discussed. My throw on this is if anyone has been prosecuted and lost because of Hand loads please stand up...No?? Then end of subject...:D
 
SatKong said:
Not to piss in the party's punch bowl, but you might give some consideration to the defensibility, in court, of hand loads, should you have to defend yourself with same. Apparently, from my readings, a sharp prosecutor will use this as a premise to try to prove any number of erroneous points which will make little sense to a gunner, but may paint that same gunner in a bad light to a less than gun savvy jury...
SatCong
is't this what i said in my earler post???
 
Wait...Let me go back to the beginning...Oh yeah...I see it...This string deals with what is "YOUR favorite Self Defence handload". Has nothing to do with handloads verses factory loads...:banghead:
 
CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

I would prefer to defend myself with a 12 gauge with factory ammo, but for carrying other guns, if I wanted a one shot stop I would use one of my overloads.....

25acp 50 gr 3.2 gr Bullseye
32S&W 71 gr 4.5 gr Blue Dot
32acp 110 gr 5.2 gr Power Pistol
32 S&W Long 110 gr 12 gr H110
32-20 86 gr 17 gr H110
7.62x25mm 110 gr 10 gr Power Pistol
380 158 gr 8.5 gr Power Pistol
9mm 158 gr 11 gr Power Pistol
9x23mm 158 gr 16 gr Power Pistol [double the 357 mag load]
38 sp 158 gr 26 gr LIL'GUN
38 S&W 158 gr 7.9 gr Blue Dot
40 S&W 200 gr 15.5 gr 800X [the 44 mag max load]
10mm 200 gr 14.2 gr 800X
45acp 185 gr 16.5 gr AA#5
45 auto rim 230 gr 24 gr H110
45 Colt 405 gr 40 gr H110 [double the 454 load]
45/70 405 gr 32 gr Unique [not quite double the Ruger #1 load]
308 168 gr 52 gr H335
8x57mm 200 gr 52 gr IMR4895
 
My favorite self-defense handload is:

for the house:
Remington RXP 2 3/4" 12 Ga hull
32 gr of HS-6
WAA12W wad
1 1/4 oz #9 shot
Muzzle Velocity 1340 fps

for carry:
Winchester 357 Magnum case
Speer 140 gr JHP
17.4 gr of H-110 Some manuals list this as above recommended load, some don't
Winchester WSP primer
Muzzle velocity 1450
 
Home cast 50 cal HBWC target bullet lubed with bore butter, 85 grains FFG, CCI cap.

Never had to use it so I can't comment on the legal aspects:evil:
 
38 sp 158 gr 26 gr LIL'GUN

From Hodgdon under 357 MAGNUM!
158 GR. HDY XTP
COL: 1.580"
LIL'GUN 18.0
1577 fps
25,800 CUP

I'd rather be on the receiving end of that J-frame than holding it! :uhoh:

Randy
 
Originally Posted by SatKong
Not to piss in the party's punch bowl, but you might give some consideration to the defensibility, in court, of hand loads, should you have to defend yourself with same. Apparently, from my readings, a sharp prosecutor will use this as a premise to try to prove any number of erroneous points which will make little sense to a gunner, but may paint that same gunner in a bad light to a less than gun savvy jury...
SatCong
Massad's big argument concerns GSR and with handloads that cannot be duplicated. Point to consider. Yet, in the following case, sounds like factory ammo doesn't really answer a lot of questions either.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/13654907.htm
Vick trial: Ammo expert tries to bolster state's case

A ballistics expert testified this morning that the bullet lodged in slain St. Paul police Sgt. Gerald Vick's body was a special kind of ammunition that didn't produce gunshot residue when fired.

Prosecutors called consultant Paul Szabo to the stand to try to explain to jurors why police found no gunshot residue on defendant Harry Evan's hands, but did find traces of the substance on the hands of star witness Antonio Kelly.

Evans, 33, is on trial for first- and second-degree murder. Vick was fatally shot in an alley outside of an East Side tavern around 2:20 a.m. on May 6. Vick and his partner had been working undercover investigation prostitution at bars that night when they confronted Evans and his companion Kelly outside Erick's Bar.

Evans has pleaded not guilty and has accused his friend Kelly of pulling the trigger.

Prosecutors told the jury during an opening statement that Evan's DNA was found on the murder weapon, but defense attorneys countered that Kelly had lead and barium particles — or gunshot residue — on his hands, proving Kelly fired the gun.

Szabo, who works for the Winchester ammunition division of Olin Corporation, said the Winchester .38-caliber bullet recovered by the medical examiner, labeled Exhibit 2, is a WinClean type that is designed to eliminate airborne lead when fired.

"This is a brand intended for target shooting at indoor ranges," said Szabo.
Szabo said that bullet, which uses a lead-free priming mix and is sealed, would not produce gunshot residue. But under cross-examination by defense attorneys, Szabo testified that while the interior of a WinClean bullet is sealed, it still contains lead. Szabo said he knew of no study that proves that interior lead couldn't escape upon firing.

Police recovered one of the three bullets that struck Vick and five shell casings near the murder weapon.

Szabo examined the shell casings and said he could not tell just by looking at the casings whether all the ammunition found by police was WinClean.
 
m0ntels said:
From Hodgdon under 357 MAGNUM!
158 GR. HDY XTP
COL: 1.580"
LIL'GUN 18.0
1577 fps
25,800 CUP

I'd rather be on the receiving end of that J-frame than holding it! :uhoh:

Randy


It was all that would fit, gets less velocity than the 18 gr load, but kicks harder and makes more noise. The extra gas might help in self defense.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=117070&#2
 
Well at least I know I'll have a more than fair safety margin with Lil Gun when I get around to experimenting with it. I dont think I could mentally handle double charging on purpose though...lol As long as Clark is willing to be the guinea pig, keep the atomic data coming :eek: :D

Randy
 
The 10mm brass design is weak, weaker than large primer 7.62x39mm brass.
But the Glock 20 feed ramp intrusion is even worse, causing case bulge before the primer falls out.

I got a Bar-Sto aftermarket barrel, and worked up higher than I could with the stock Glock barrel.

My email to the gunzone pops up first on google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=glock+20+feed+ramp&btnG=Google+Search

Anyway, if anyone finds any small primer 10mm brass for sale, tell me about it.
 
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