Primed 30-06 with LPP by mistake gonna work????

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Well had a box of 900 WLR primers and a sleeve of 100 WLR primers so a while back just put them together grabbed 3 sleeves and while priming noticed the 100 I was about finish were..... yep Large Pistol primers.
So I got 100 30-06 cases with large pistol primers, Who else has done this and has it worked? Just loading plinkers, Yeah they seat a lil lower but i dont think that will be a problem will they ignite most rifle powder?
 
The 30-06 is operating at quite a bit higher chamber pressure than what a LPP is designed for. I'm not exactly sure what the solution to this problem would be so I'm anxious to hear from the pros...
 
No it is not safe to use them.

Lg Pistol & Lg rifle primers are not even the same cup height.
Lg pistol primers are shorter and will seat deeper in a rifle case.
Giving the pistol primer a running start on the way out!

Let alone being designed to handle centerfire rifle pressure.

De-prime them and start over!!

rc
 
Pull apart and start over!

Pay attention!!!! reloading is not a race or anything like that, you need to pay attention to little details all the time. 1 type of powder, 1 type of primer, 1 type of brass, 1 type of bullet, and a manual should really be on the bench when you reload. anything else other than your tools is just clutter and your waiting for something like this to happen. Don't let the wife or kids distract you until your in the grove. Me personally, i have the radio on , but i don't let it deter me away from what i'm doing, and don't let my mind go off.

De-prime the shells slowly, i've pulled apart 100's of shells that i bought at auctions. Never had one go off when trying to de-prime a live primer. Just go slow.

every time i go to the bench i clean it off, from what i was working on earlier. about an hour ago, i was decapping 32acp, if i were to go now and load 30-06, everything related to allll other calibers(powder, primers, bullets, brass, etc) will be off the bench and out of my hair.
 
Hey R.C. I knew I could count on you to chim in. I clearly understand large rifle and LPP are slightly different heights I dont think that will be an issue with the Mauser action and bolt I'm using. I really don't see a safety issue here though I do respect your option and if it's not safe it's not safe.
My biggest consern is light plinker load ignition of extruded powder.
And my second biggest deal is that I got this primed brass second hand and dident like the priming job so with safety glasses safety shield gloves and a coat deprimed the same hundred I just put LPP in so kinda looking for a way out.

Again R/C your input and your years of experience are respected. You must be like what 40 years old..
Thanx
 
Pay attention!!! Really! Have you seen a sleeve of WLRP and a sleeve of WLPP one word difference same color same size same color print. and if I wasent paying attention would I be here now.
Maybe if you were a lil less condescending new reloaders would ask the stupid question that would prevent a fun day at the range into a tragedy. So to all you mighty know it all's try being a little kind with your option because thats all it is.
 
I keep all my rifle primers in one spot and all my handgun primers in another. There is a possibility that a magnum primer might get into in the wrong case but NOT the wrong type of primer for safety reasons. There are a lot of little things you can do that will prevent problems and promote safety, this is one of them. Over time you will develop a safe system to load that is tailored just for you.:)
 
Hey Jeeptim, I dont think 45lcshooter meant it the way your taking it

Forums like emails are tough in that one does not get the complete picture that an actual face to face conversation offers, body language, facial expressions, deflections in the voice, etc. All we get with these messages are written words and one's own imagination fills in the context.

I believe both rc and lc believe in everyone's safety and well being in this pasttime else they wouldnt be here offering help/advice. If rc says it isnt safe and lc says pay attention to what we are doing, then you bet it is not safe and we should pay attention.

Take it for nothing else than a lesson learned.
 
Jeeptim. Dunno if you have noticed, yet. Win pistol primers have red sealant. Rifle primers have green sealant. Take the cases and put them in loading blocks. Use a flashlight to look in the flashholes, and you can identify the LPP primed cases.

FWIW, I have used more than a few LPP in my light cast 7mm-08 loads. All have gone bang, so far. But LPP aren't really rated for more than 40k psi, and most of your 30-06 loads are probably over 50k. The big danger is pierced/cracked primer cups and resultant breechface damage.
 
Gloob Yeah I can now spot the difference in pistol and rifle primers at 100 yards in the dark with my bad eye.
on R/Cs advise and for a good lesson I am in the middle of again de and repriming 100 cases.
Now if I keep my primers in a glass jar I will be able to see the difference.
Thanx
 
And Gloob this is what is helpful;

FWIW, I have used more than a few LPP in my light cast 7mm-08 loads. All have gone bang, so far. But LPP aren't really rated for more than 40k psi, and most of your 30-06 loads are probably over 50k. The big danger is pierced/cracked primer cups and resultant breechface damage.
 
If you are going to shoot REAL plinkers with Trail Boss or such, the pistol primers will work.
A lot of black powder shooters use them.

But maybe you need the discipline of decapping them and starting over to do the job right.
 
If it were me. I would shoot them. There will be less pressure, but so much less it is ridiculous to worry about it. Would only be the difference in .1 or .2 grains of charge and pressure. After shoot the first one, tap the empty to see if any unburnt powder falls out, not likely. Check the bore for excess crude. If about the same enjoy not wasting the primers.

As for the height, if the firing pin will hit them they will function.

Do be careful on the bench.

Wear the ole safety glasses at all times.

Have fun and enjoy the reloading!
 
Right before you pull the trigger on the first one be sure to say, "HEY YA'LL, WATCH THIS!!!"

LOL... Just kidding...
 
I may not be be a pro. But I know a guy who knew a guy who did this! Joking!

All joking aside, a buddy of mine did this and ended up shooting them with no issues.

The above cautions should be heeded.

It is not a federal case but do be very careful at the the bench!
 
It looks like I got to this thread too late to add anything useful. I'm glad you decided to remove the LPP and replace them with LRP. It's the only safe thing to do!
 
Nope i wasn't being condescending at all. I have agreed with RC on lots of issues pertaining to reloading, and the issues we face. We have all messed up like that before, its better to learn from the mistakes, before we pull the trigger. RC said it wasn't safe and i was saying about paying attention. Not grilling you your anything like that, just bringing more knowledge to the table.

People were over at my place years ago, i was reloading 30-30, had the radio on. People came down stairs, started talking with me, i lost track of what i was doing, and seated bullets with no powder in half the cases i was working with. I needed to pay more attention to what i was doing. Just the little things.

I'm sorry you took my first post the wrong way, my apologies. I'm a working man, been reloading going soon on 15years, yes its hard to find supplies now more than ever. But when i post i just hope i help the next guy down the line.
 
45, just saw this thread and I didn't see anything condescending...

I think many times we are prone to say things regarding safety with a sense of urgency or importance, that may be picked up on as condescending. I know I have made posts that upon re-reading, I might have stated... more carefully.
The issue though is not on of condescension, but of urgency, to relay the importance of being careful!

I'm sure there have been, and perhaps will be, hurt feeling in the future. We all need to remember it's not someone being "chewed out", rather, someone being reminded of the need for attention, caution, and keeping all limbs and digits attached!

Stay safe!!!!
 
It is not a federal case but do be very careful at the the bench!
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Hgte,

How can you be sure? Tim never said what kind of cases he was using. So you're saying he should be ok unless they are Federal cases...hmmm. I'm throwing out all my Federal brass if that's the "case".

:)

-BunnMan
 
Large pistol primers can be used in .30-06 for reduced loads. When primers were really hard to get a few years ago I was faced with no Large Rifle primers. Substituting Large Pistol primers and keeping pressured below 40K psi and I was able to shoot without problems. In fact some of my 30-40 Krag loading data used in my .30-06 (to stay under 40K) were some of the most accurate loads ever. I routinely use large pistol primers in my cast bullet loads for .30-30 and .303 British rifles.
 
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