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Why don't we organize gun buy backs? Have a time and place set up where people bring in unwanted guns or guns that are in the hands of those that can't secure their safekeeping.

This could be a public service for those that just don't "get" guns and would like them to be in the hands of those that would appreciate them.
This would serve two main purposes.
1. Get guns out of unsafe or unsecured places, in order to keep them "off the street".
2. Bring a large amount of guns back into circulation.

I'm not saying we should just offer $50, I don't think we could get away with that. If people know we are looking to turn around and sell these they will expect more.

Some will ask, why is this different than a gun show? Non-gun people, the target here, will never walk into a gun show.

I think we see these gun buyback programs in such a negative light that we miss the fact that they do sometimes provide a service to the community. We can paint this in whatever light we want. Many times churches or community centers host these, why not a gun shop? Or a gun club?

I know there are some legal implications surrounding gun sales, but it could be run like a gun show, or have the support of the local LE.

Do gun buybacks provide anonymity? I can't imagine LE would allow for their program to be a way to dump murder weapons.
 
So, a gun show.

Alll you're doing is proposing a gun show advertising as something else hosted somewhere else.
 
This sounds like a good idea. One of the main draws of gun buybacks is that supposedly the individuals are exempt from the usual restrictions on gun possession when they are bringing the gun to the buyback. A lot of these programs take the guns "no questions asked" Without those two conditions I don't thing you would get a lot of participants. From what I have heard (one of my liberal friends has organized these in my community) they get mostly "junk" but occasionally some nice guns are turned in. I would certainly hope there would be a way to run the serial numbers and see if any are reported stolen so they could be connected back w/ their rightful owners. As for guns possibly used in a crime, it is hard to reconcile how this would fit in. It gets complicated doesn't it?
 
Do gun buybacks provide anonymity? I can't imagine LE would allow for their program to be a way to dump murder weapons.
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every gun buy back program ive heard of has been 'no questions asked'.....i dont imagine anyone would go to them if they felt like they were going to be harassed or possibly arrested.

and yes, im sure they are a fantastic way to get rid of crime weapons....

hell, im waiting for them to hold one by me....i can make a 'gun' with some pipe and a 2x4 for $10.......sell a few of those at a buyback for $50 a piece.......i can afford a new gun!
 
So, a gun show.

Alll you're doing is proposing a gun show advertising as something else hosted somewhere else.
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A place to buy (not sell) guns at a place where gun people won't go, is hardly a gun show.

But, you are right that it needs to be advertised properly.

The main point of contention I can see is the ATF. If this were done in conjunction with local LE to provide anonymity, what would the ATF say about civilians then taking possession of the guns? I haven't bought many guns privately and have never bought a gun at a gun show, but I think they are supposed to have a bill of sale right? I believe private party sales are supposed to be recorded with the local LE (at least here in MN).
 
^^^ yeah I know, that's what got me thinking about this.

The real crime is that these guns are being destroyed and not put in my safe!
 
every gun buy back program ive heard of has been 'no questions asked'.....i dont imagine anyone would go to them if they felt like they were going to be harassed or possibly arrested.
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Most of the articles I've read about them say they run the gun's information. It might be no questions asked for the person dropping it off, but that doesn't seem they don't run it later.

A place to buy (not sell) guns at a place where gun people won't go, is hardly a gun show.
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The people who are going there are selling guns. You have set up a venue to facilitate private sells of guns. That's pretty much what a gun show is.

Let me just see if I'm following this:

You're going to find some community organization to sponsor your buyback to get guns off the street that is going to be perfectly ok with you turning around selling them back onto the street, presumably for a profit.

You're going to advertise it in such a way that only non-gun people show up to unload their unwanted guns to be resold.

You're going to somehow finance all of these despite most of the these things mostly bring in piles of Lorcins and rusted out blackpowder replicas with no resale value.

You're going to get local law enforcement to buy into helping out what is essentially a private enterprise buying and selling guns.

Sounds like you've got it all figured out.

The real crime is that these guns are being destroyed and not put in my safe!
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A ha! The truth comes out. You know, you can do this any time you want. Run an ad in the paper saying you buy unwanted guns. People do it all the time. There's no need create the facade of a private gun buy-back.

Would you have given that person fair market value? It sure sounds like you are just trying to get the rare gem cheap.

Good luck with your endeavor!
 
I my limited expereince, mostly talking with local LEO types that have been involved with such buyback programs, that the guns turned in are mostly non funcaitonal scrap metal and the few that are not often get taken home by some of the LEO's involved under the table, but hey this is Louisiana where there is no requirement for tracking private party gun sales, and what other places would call corruptions we just call the way things are, etc. The execption seems to be widows that turn in guns to get them out of the house, even then most of the time it is some cheap pistol that the now deceased husband bought 40 years ago because he thought they should have a gun around the house, and he did not want to spend too much hard earned money on something that would spend its entire life in a night stand.
 
I think most people feel ok with "good" licensed/permit to purchase people owning guns. It's the guns "floating around" that worries most anti gun people. Requiring a permit to purchase would help them reconcile this issue.

The quality of the guns is an issue. That's part of the reason you wouldn't be able to offer market value. You would have to make some on a few to cover the cost of the rest. I'm sure a deal could be struck with the local LE to subsidize the cost of the guns.

An add in the paper is a good idea, but you will have to pay closer to market value for those.

The main goal is not to get a rare gun on the cheap, but to save good guns by doing what many already want to do for them. Often I think we are to reactionary and not proactive enough. The anti's are proactive. You have to fight fire with fire.

I live in a small community and I know some of the officers who work around here. This a mostly pro gun area. This could be a very hard sell in other parts of the country.
 
On one side note, The last couple of times I have been to a gun show (something I do maybe once every year or two on average as I too often find them depressing) I have seen multiple non-gun people there walking around selling guns, often these were guns they had inherited, but did not want, some had no idea what they had or the value of the guns, others had looked up prices online and were expecting to get full retail values.. While it has always been common to see individuals selling guns at gun shows, it has rarely been this type of non-gun person, and certainly not this commonly.
 
I would imagine that to get the police support that you would have to have to be legal they would require that you turn over all guns to them. If you could write a contract that states all non crime/stolen guns go to the "progam" to help fund the buy back it might work.
 
The Problem Is..

Most (99.9% plus), of the Gun Buy-Back" programs aren't. :banghead:

If you want to know if what's being done is really a "Buy-Back" program, then ask the people/organization doing the purchasing of the turned in firearms if they were the ones who originally SOLD the aforementioned firearm to the person who is now turning it back in..!!..? :scrutiny:

Of course they're NOT. :uhoh: Seeing they're NOT, then how can they "Buy-Back" something they never originally sold in the first place? :confused: They can't. Moral of the story..

It's NOT a "Buy-Back" program!! :rolleyes:

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Let me know when you're holding this "buy-back" program. I have a bunch of scrap water pipe and some steel strapping, rubber bands and nails, and lumber. I'll make up a dozen or so "guns" for you to "buy back." :eek:

Isn't that how it usually works???
 
I my limited expereince, mostly talking with local LEO types that have been involved with such buyback programs, that the guns turned in are mostly non funcaitonal scrap metal and the few that are not often get taken home by some of the LEO's involved under the table, but hey this is Louisiana where there is no requirement for tracking private party gun sales, and what other places would call corruptions we just call the way things are, etc.
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I have no problem with this.

A perk for the "gun guy" cops is a good thing.
 
It's the guns "floating around" that worries most anti gun people. Requiring a permit to purchase would help them reconcile this issue.
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The theory behind this being that criminals would apply for a permit to purchase a gun? If not, then all you're doing is putting another impediment in the way of a law abiding citizen buying a gun. What's the point of that?

Permit to purchase is just another fallacious proposal put out by anti-gun people to make themselves feel better - it does nothing to curb the use of guns for criminal purposes.
 
Gun Buybacks: How They Can Work For Us

We've all seen them- the misguided PD/church/charity-supported "buybacks", where crowds throng to give away (sometimes for a pittance) guns they don't want to own. Their motivations may be silly, but they are common.

Here is an idea to turn the "buyback" into a net positive for the gun community. Organize one. (No, hear me out).

Organize a buyback. Keep the seedy-looking gun show folk out of view, or preferably absent. Secure the backing of a charity, church, and/or local government. However, there would be some changes to the formula.

People would be advised as to the value of their firearm when they reached the table, by a neutral party (preferably not a dealer). Those who wished to sell their firearms could either be directed to an FFL or other legal buyer onsite or provided with a list. Those who wished that their firearm be destroyed would be directed to the 'destroy' pile, after being advised that a lawfully-sold gun has a very, very slim chance of ever being used in a crime. Those who were undecided (say, a man who wanted to turn in a Hi-Point that functions but isn't worth much at resale), would be provided the option to donate the weapon to a needy (legal) adult and/or charity established for that purpose. The buyback would, as these things go, last until the money's gone and/or the guns stop coming, at which time we would take our (hopefully large) stacks of sold and donated firearms and dispose of them, and turn the destroy pile over to the police.

Inoperable or dangerous firearms or illegally-modified weapons would also be placed in the destroy pile.

Everyone in this wins. Gun owners win, because we'd get to save some of the beautiful rifles and shotguns turned in. People who don't want guns win, because they'll no longer have the gun that they didn't want. The police get some guns to shred, and there's a few less weapons that could potentially be stolen or blow up in someone's face.

So...how do we do this?
 
Fantastic idea. Lovely, and I know exactly the 1st location, Washington DC. Paying high prices to every Lord and Noble, er, excuse me....Senator and Representative's, personal attache's firearms. Liberals first please, step right up...PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS:neener:
 
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