Private sale - gun show hypothetical

[kkayser]

I have a pistol for sale. I take it to a gun show with a sign on my back. I have a buyer, I check his drivers lic. for name, address, age. I then have him sign an statement that he is legally allowed to purchase the gun, is 21 or over, and lives in my state. The form has the date time and location of the sale. I give him a receipt.

Anything else I should do?

 

[22-rimfire]

Nope. You don't have to record anything. This is conditioned with face to face transfers of guns are legal in your state without using a FFL dealer.

 

[Dave P]

What state are you in?

Could make a big difference.

 

[theautobahn]

Some states may have laws that prohibit private transactions at gunshows, but I'm not sure about that. As long as private, FTF transactions are allowed in your state and there's no gunshow specific laws, you're good to go.

 

[Coltdriver]

Utterly depends on your state.

I can sell a gun face to face in Colorado and its perfectly legal.

At a gun show in Colorado, or on the grounds of a gun show like the parking lot, all transactions must go thru background check.

So what state are you talking about?

 

[jcwit]

Is the firearm a long gun or hand gun?
Is the buyer a resident of the state you're selling it in?
Are you a resident of the state you're sellin it in?

 

[NavyLCDR]

I have a pistol for sale. I take it to a gun show with a sign on my back. I have a buyer, I check his drivers lic. for name, address, age. I then have him sign an statement that he is legally allowed to purchase the gun, is 21 or over, and lives in my state. The form has the date time and location of the sale. I give him a receipt.

Anything else I should do?

In most states the age limit would be 18, not 21. But, you didn't tell us what state you are talking about, so we can't give you a legally accurate answer.

 

[jcwit]

Looks like I should have read the 1st post a little closer.

 

[cleardiddion]

Anything else I should do?

You should probably also receive the payment for your pistol

But in all seriousness, in most cases it's cash and carry.

 

[19-3Ben]

In most states the age limit would be 18, not 21.

For a pistol?

 

[Lex Luthier]

The best deal I ever got was a F2F sale at the annual St. Paul gun show. HUNDREDS of tables of dudes who seemed too busy to help a guy. Found the one lone guy with about a half dozen handguns on his table. After confirming we were both serious about the transaction, we did the deal and shook hands. No paperwork necessary in Minnesota. I'll keep that Kimber for a long time.

Also found a nice .40 cal and a particular rifle the same way F2F, no problems.

 

[NavyLCDR]

For a pistol?

Yes. In most states the age limit is 18 for the private sale of a pistol.

 

[MAKster]

None of that is necessary under federal law. As long as you have no reason to believe he is a prohibited purchaser you are ok. You are not required to take any proactive steps to verify he is ok. I suspect you are going to scare off most potential buyers by asking for all that info.

 

[bearcreek]

As several have said here, your question is impossible to answer without knowing what state you're in. That being said, I don't know of any state where it is a private sellers legal responsibilty to record the buyer's information, or even look at their ID. In the states where FTF sales are illegal the FFL doing the transfer records that info, not the seller. If I was a buyer and a seller wanted to do what you propose I wouldn't touch the gun with a ten foot pole. I'll show my ID to prove state residency, even though it isn't legally required in my state, but some random person at a gun show has no business recording my information.

 

[FROGO207]

Might be the fact that I was of legal age before internet but I researched what the need was at the one of the LOCAL FFL dealers to make sure I was legal BEFORE I attempted FTF firearms deals. The internet is a great resource but I could misguide you by mistake because I live in a different area and you may have more stringent requirements than I face. Just a warning to make double sure in your local area.

 

[highorder]

Threads like these make me wonder why adding your state of residence to your profile isn't mandatory.

I grew up in Michigan. There any handgun sale requires a permit to purchase a handgun or a valid CCW. Minimum age is 18.

Here in Ohio, minimum age is 21, nothing required but I always verify the buyer is an Ohio resident.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Threads like these make me wonder why adding your state of residence to your profile isn't mandatory.

AMEN! This is especially important when asking legal questions.

 

[Ryanxia]

Threads like these make me wonder why adding your state of residence to your profile isn't mandatory.

I must have missed when Cincinnati became a State

 

[jimmyraythomason]

I must have missed when Cincinnati became a State

So how does Cincinati come into this? Nowhere does the OP give ANY indication WHERE he is(other than "upper midwest).

 

[David E]

That being said, I don't know of any state where it is a private sellers legal responsibilty to record the buyer's information, or even look at their ID.

Illinois, for one. If we both lived there and I sold you a gun, I'd need to record your info, including your FOID card number and be able to "produce it on demand" for ten years after the sale.

I'll show my ID to prove state residency, even though it isn't legally required in my state, but some random person at a gun show has no business recording my information.

If I was that "random person," then I wouldn't sell you my gun. If, a couple of years later, law enforcement knocks on my door telling me that my gun turned up at a murder scene, I want to be able to prove I sold it, when I sold it and to whom I sold it.

 

[kkayser]

Wisconsin

Sorry about that, I live in Wisconsin

 

[sanforb]

I'll show my ID to prove state residency, even though it isn't legally required in my state, but some random person at a gun show has no business recording my information.

Amen to that. I will not do a bill of sale either. If you don't want my money, there are plenty more who do.


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[Neo-Luddite]

As said, ask someone you know locally who is familiar with the EXACT r5equirements for what you propose. ATF has been know to send agents to gun shows to play games with private sellers. For me, I'd be wary. A better sell would be to a type 1 dealer (I know, less cash--but all but worry free). Good luck and, of course, DON'T do this at an IL gun show

 

[j1]

Pa handgun sales must be through an FFL. Long gun sales need not be.

 

[David E]

Amen to that. I will not do a bill of sale either. If you don't want my money, there are plenty more who do.

I wonder if you'd sell a gun that's in your name to the first guy that offered you too much money for it at a gunshow, provided you asked no questions....