Considering moving to NH from the black hole that is New Jersey. Any members here NJ x-patriots who now live in NH or New England in general? Mainly interested in being allowed to protect myself legally and living in a pro-2nd state. Thanks
PRNJ to NH?
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fish2xs
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NH - Live Free or Die...says it all.
VT is gun friendly too. Just be sure to stay out of MA.
VT is gun friendly too. Just be sure to stay out of MA.
modifiedbrowning
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Newman, I grew up in Maine, take a look there, too. Just get in before all the Ma$$holes take over and ruin it.
The Granite State
is the best state in New England, with low taxes, a mind-your-own-business attitude, and easily available carry. Just be sure not to settle too far south, as southern NH is filling up with Mass. people who commute south to Boston. Predictably, ranges are closing there as yupies move in and then file lawsuits because they thought that rifle range was only ornamental or something. I certainly wouldn't live south of Manchester.
Be prepared for a more rural life. For me, it's an hour to anything like a mall (which suits me fine; might as well be 4 hrs), and the economy is probably tighter than NJ. On the other hand, I can shoot in my back yard, and not because I'm out in the boonies, just that there's room and people who don't get the vapors when they hear shooting.
is the best state in New England, with low taxes, a mind-your-own-business attitude, and easily available carry. Just be sure not to settle too far south, as southern NH is filling up with Mass. people who commute south to Boston. Predictably, ranges are closing there as yupies move in and then file lawsuits because they thought that rifle range was only ornamental or something. I certainly wouldn't live south of Manchester.
Be prepared for a more rural life. For me, it's an hour to anything like a mall (which suits me fine; might as well be 4 hrs), and the economy is probably tighter than NJ. On the other hand, I can shoot in my back yard, and not because I'm out in the boonies, just that there's room and people who don't get the vapors when they hear shooting.
Ian Sean
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EX-NJ, now live in PA, first act, bought a 1911 I've been dreaming about (took about 30 minutes, not the two months in NJ when I bought a .357), I now have my CCW, that took 3 weeks, my car insurance is 1/2 of what it was and my property tax is the same for twice the land and twice the house. Live north of Reading and wild horses couldn't get me out.
I do feel bad and guilty leaving good people behind to continue the fight though but I just couldn't take it anymore.
I do feel bad and guilty leaving good people behind to continue the fight though but I just couldn't take it anymore.
geekWithA.45
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New England in general isn't nearly as bad as it's leftist reputation.
MA is the worst of it, but you've got at least a 50/50 chance of actually getting carry permit. The situation there is similiar to NJ, in that the honest gunowner must navigate legal minefields with respect to firearms types, a maze of licenses, storage requirements, etc, etc etc. Excercise extreme caution in MA.
I grew up in CT, and unless things changed radically there since I left, it's pretty gun friendly. Folks have been inconspicuously armed there for as long as I can remember, which goes back to the late 60's.
MA is the worst of it, but you've got at least a 50/50 chance of actually getting carry permit. The situation there is similiar to NJ, in that the honest gunowner must navigate legal minefields with respect to firearms types, a maze of licenses, storage requirements, etc, etc etc. Excercise extreme caution in MA.
I grew up in CT, and unless things changed radically there since I left, it's pretty gun friendly. Folks have been inconspicuously armed there for as long as I can remember, which goes back to the late 60's.
THanks everyone for your help! Khornet, where do you live generally? Are you up in the White Mtn area, or south of that? From what you describe, it is exactly what I'm looking for. If I could shoot on my own property, I would be happier than a pig in poop so-to-speak. Funny how the southern part of NH reminded me eerily of NJ! (except a lot better) I've also considered Maine, and I'm thinking of going there this fall for my vacation to explore a bit. Where's a good part in Maine to check out? Thanks everyone!
Sean Cloherty
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Given the choice between MA and NJ I would say that I enjoy living in a Commonwealth that doesn't ban HP rounds, doesn't ban magazines greater than 10 rounds, doesn't ban the purchase of standard post-ban rifles like AR-15s and SARs, and where you actually can get a carry license.
Regarding NH, I believe that the only permit you will need is for concealed carry. I am pretty certain that open carry is legal without permission.
Check into http://www.packing.org.
Regarding NH, I believe that the only permit you will need is for concealed carry. I am pretty certain that open carry is legal without permission.
Check into http://www.packing.org.
Actually, HPs are legal in NJ, but I agree with you on all other counts. No offence, but I could not bring myself to leave NJ and then go to MA. Packing.org is definately a great resource, and I was indeed surprised to learn things about MA that I was previously unaware of. That said, I still think NH will be the place I end up. Thanks.
CZ52GUY
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Granite State
Great state overall, I've lived here my whole life.
However, property Taxes are generally pretty high, with some exceptions.
Generally pretty gun friendly (with exceptions...12 years ago I moved from a NH community with a no firearm discharge within "city limits" ordinance).
The lakes region is beautiful, as is the southwestern part of the state, as is most anywhere outside the southeastern quadrant (where I grew up) which is becoming indistinguishable from MA (a very gun hostile environment where even the mere possession of an "illegal firearm" even during an attempted "peaceable transit" is subject to imprisonment). You may want to ship your firearms or drive around MA...tongue only partially in cheek.
Property values vary widely, but if you travel extensively as part of your vocation and/or work out of your home, you may have the luxury of picking and choosing independent of work location and there are some great bargains to be had.
My shooting buddy lives on 6 acres and we shoot behind his house at least 2 or 3 times a month...everything from .22lr to rapid fire AK's (and many calibers in-between). He's never had a neighbor complain...and they are well within earshot...especially when we're shooting trap.
It's starting to fill up though, so this is the time to get in a "stake a claim". Some of the best places to live do require a 1/2 hour or more for a decent size grocery store and/or shopping for the Mrs...a significant lifestyle change if you are used to being 5 minutes from everything you would ever want to leave your house for. Gun shops are not as plentiful as they used to be when I was a kid...my favorite in-state shop is 90 minutes away...the next in line is also 90 minutes away in Maine. Gun shows are fairly frequent with several good shows during the year if you are willing to drive a little.
http://www.dipromo.com/state_frm.htm
Bottom line, a good place to live with some glaring exceptions...watch out for the exceptions.
Good luck, and safe shooting!
CZ52'
Great state overall, I've lived here my whole life.
However, property Taxes are generally pretty high, with some exceptions.
Generally pretty gun friendly (with exceptions...12 years ago I moved from a NH community with a no firearm discharge within "city limits" ordinance).
The lakes region is beautiful, as is the southwestern part of the state, as is most anywhere outside the southeastern quadrant (where I grew up) which is becoming indistinguishable from MA (a very gun hostile environment where even the mere possession of an "illegal firearm" even during an attempted "peaceable transit" is subject to imprisonment). You may want to ship your firearms or drive around MA...tongue only partially in cheek.
Property values vary widely, but if you travel extensively as part of your vocation and/or work out of your home, you may have the luxury of picking and choosing independent of work location and there are some great bargains to be had.
My shooting buddy lives on 6 acres and we shoot behind his house at least 2 or 3 times a month...everything from .22lr to rapid fire AK's (and many calibers in-between). He's never had a neighbor complain...and they are well within earshot...especially when we're shooting trap.
It's starting to fill up though, so this is the time to get in a "stake a claim". Some of the best places to live do require a 1/2 hour or more for a decent size grocery store and/or shopping for the Mrs...a significant lifestyle change if you are used to being 5 minutes from everything you would ever want to leave your house for. Gun shops are not as plentiful as they used to be when I was a kid...my favorite in-state shop is 90 minutes away...the next in line is also 90 minutes away in Maine. Gun shows are fairly frequent with several good shows during the year if you are willing to drive a little.
http://www.dipromo.com/state_frm.htm
Bottom line, a good place to live with some glaring exceptions...watch out for the exceptions.
Good luck, and safe shooting!
CZ52'
FPrice
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newman32...
"Yeah, MA is not on my list of places to move to. MA might possibly be the only place more horrible than NJ!"
While I would not recommend MA as a residence to any serious gun-owner, it is still a bit above NJ. Some positive things have happened recently.
1. The COP of Taunton, MA, decided to stop giving any new Firearms Licenses due to staffing cutbacks and budgets. Said he could not afford to do so. The local politicians (to include Democrats) rallied against him and forced him to change his mind.
2. The State AG tried (and just about succeeded) in shutting down out-of-state ammunition purchase. Claimed they were violating state law and tried to force vendors to "buy" licenses to operate in this state. Apparently he was challenged on this and backed down. Quite possibly the first time an AG has been challenged on anti-gun actions and defeated.
3. The COP of a local town (where I got my first MA firearms license and who told me he did not believe in letting citizens carry concealed) has been giving some licenses annotated "FOR ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES".
This does not signify any major change in commonwealth bias against lawful gun owners, but is is a start.
Also, we can buy and use hollowpoint ammunition here, and once you get your firearms license you are pretty much free to buy anything you want and can afford. Within your license restrictions.
"Yeah, MA is not on my list of places to move to. MA might possibly be the only place more horrible than NJ!"
While I would not recommend MA as a residence to any serious gun-owner, it is still a bit above NJ. Some positive things have happened recently.
1. The COP of Taunton, MA, decided to stop giving any new Firearms Licenses due to staffing cutbacks and budgets. Said he could not afford to do so. The local politicians (to include Democrats) rallied against him and forced him to change his mind.
2. The State AG tried (and just about succeeded) in shutting down out-of-state ammunition purchase. Claimed they were violating state law and tried to force vendors to "buy" licenses to operate in this state. Apparently he was challenged on this and backed down. Quite possibly the first time an AG has been challenged on anti-gun actions and defeated.
3. The COP of a local town (where I got my first MA firearms license and who told me he did not believe in letting citizens carry concealed) has been giving some licenses annotated "FOR ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES".
This does not signify any major change in commonwealth bias against lawful gun owners, but is is a start.
Also, we can buy and use hollowpoint ammunition here, and once you get your firearms license you are pretty much free to buy anything you want and can afford. Within your license restrictions.
CZ52GUY
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Maybe I'm just an ignorant NH hick, but that sure sounds like "infringement" to me.
Keep up the RKBA fight to my South!
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
Augustwest
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Everything's relative, I guess. We've got a really bad, stupid "assault weapons" law, but carry permits are generally easy to get.
Oh, and full-auto's allowed, but not select fire, because that would make for an assault weapon.
geekWithA.45
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Sean:
FYI:
NJ mag limit = 15, _most_ post bans are OK.
FYI:
NJ mag limit = 15, _most_ post bans are OK.
benewton
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Along with the CCW and shoot in your back yard, safety issues permitting, don't forget:
No SALES TAX and NO INCOME TAX
No SALES TAX and NO INCOME TAX
oh yeah, in NJ you can buy magazines up to 15 rounds. You can buy post ban ars, AR-10s, m1a's, garands, sl-8s, saigas, and some others. you can own holowpoints.
And one other thing. Ranges are exempt from noise ordinances. People move in next door and don't like that the rifle range makes noise.. they can go scratch. About the only real "pro" law on the books, but it works.
You want honest gripes. The smart gun law passed. They don't obey their own laws about permit processing, every year a whole bunch of bowel curdling legislation gets floated, etc.
If I left the place, it'd defnitely not be for someplace only slightly better.
And one other thing. Ranges are exempt from noise ordinances. People move in next door and don't like that the rifle range makes noise.. they can go scratch. About the only real "pro" law on the books, but it works.
You want honest gripes. The smart gun law passed. They don't obey their own laws about permit processing, every year a whole bunch of bowel curdling legislation gets floated, etc.
If I left the place, it'd defnitely not be for someplace only slightly better.
I agree, the noise exemption is a cool thing. Too bad there aren't too many outdoor ranges around (in the north anyway). The "smart gun" law they passed is so stupid that I can't beleive it. THats one of my gripes with Taurus. They partnered with our illustrious NJIT to develop this nonsense. Needless to say, I won't be buying a Taurus any time soon. I just have to get out of here before I go nuts.
Sean Cloherty
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According to the NRA-ILA website:
"It is unlawful to knowingly have in one's possession ''any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet." "
So yeah you can own them, but you can't carry them for protection except on your own premises.
And who makes 15 round mags for my SAR? I would be stuck with the lame 10 rd. mag and feel like a fool.
"It is unlawful to knowingly have in one's possession ''any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet." "
So yeah you can own them, but you can't carry them for protection except on your own premises.
And who makes 15 round mags for my SAR? I would be stuck with the lame 10 rd. mag and feel like a fool.
Sean:
For the most part, you can't carry ANYTHING in NJ anyway! Do you know how rare it is for anyone to get a carry permit here? It is amost a non-issue (the hollowpoint thing) because we can only have our guns at home anyway. The only other exemptions are going to/from a range, and bringing them home from a store. Otherwise, hollowpoints are a no-no.
Not to change the topic, but has anyone considered the new Federal EFMJ or Pow R Ball rounds for those of us who live in JHP limbo? Might be a good alternative considering the confusion regarding the legality of owning hollow points at all in NJ or other places.
For the most part, you can't carry ANYTHING in NJ anyway! Do you know how rare it is for anyone to get a carry permit here? It is amost a non-issue (the hollowpoint thing) because we can only have our guns at home anyway. The only other exemptions are going to/from a range, and bringing them home from a store. Otherwise, hollowpoints are a no-no.
Not to change the topic, but has anyone considered the new Federal EFMJ or Pow R Ball rounds for those of us who live in JHP limbo? Might be a good alternative considering the confusion regarding the legality of owning hollow points at all in NJ or other places.
I live in southern NH and yes all the Mass libs are moving this way. They are all Democrats and they are from the city. They are not use to shooting, hunting and guns. But NH is still a gun friendly state where you don't need a gun permit to buy a handgun, rifle or shotgun. The permit is only for concealed carry. If you don't want to carry concealed and hunt or target shoot you don't need a permit. If you want a permit, it's ten bucks for 5 years and they cannot refuse you unless you are a felon or violated and been convicted of the domestic violence act. We have alot of Mass, and NJ CEO's moving up here and thus area has changed drasticly in the last 15 years. It was a nice quiet area 20 years ago. It's still a very republican state. NH welcomes more gun owners, I wish the gun owners from mass moved here, republicans in mass is like non existant. No sales tax is great.
hailing from manchester NH, right on the frontline of the NH freedom lovers and the invading bleeding heart hordes... feels like the front is creeping more up north every year... I too would encourage all of those who value their rights to bear arms and live as free as possible in this age to make the pilgrimage to NH, the more of our type here the better to ensure the way of life does not go the way of the commonwealth.
Thats really interesting/sad. Do you feel that the politics of the state will change in say another 15 years, or do you think the new arrivals will assimilate to the NH way of life? I hope to join your ranks someday in the next few years, just dont; let them change anything before then, OK???
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