Profiled at MO Conservation range

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I was at J. Henges Dept. of Conservation shooting range sighting in my CETME. I had been there a couple hours. There was only about 5 other shooters but this guy walks up and takes a Lake City 7.62 reload out of my bag of ammo and looks it over. He seemed a little different than the usual people you meet there. He asked what I was loading with so I told him but I felt I was being profiled. When they called cease fire I looked for him but he was gone. When I left, at the gate there was a bomb and arson van positioned so he could see who was in a car and license plate number. This is really bothering me. Has anyone had a similar experience? :uhoh:
 
I agree! Keep your hands OFF my gear or find me in your face fast and I will Not be polite!!!
Sarge
 
Maybe he was just checking for steel core ammo. Did he touch a magnet to it? I believe steel core ammo isn't allowed at the MO Conservation ranges. I've shot there several times and never had that happen or see it.
 
I don't go to that range. It's close to me but I visited thereonce just to look around. Guy in a contriol shed hollering at a shooter for some minor infraction that the shoot might not had heard anyway. No Thanks, I will not go there ever.
 
If I get profiled, I profile right back.
Cell phone video going, I get faces and license plates and ask for names and badge numbers and "what do you think you are doing here?"

I have low tolerance for neugestapo antics.
 
Now I am thinking my CETME has a H&K fire control housing with the fun switch. When they call cease fire they look at every gun to see if. the action is open. Maybe a range officer thought it was real. Even so the bomb and arson van is puzzling.
 
I would politely ask to see ID and/or a badge if someone pulled that on me. And then tell them that they can speak to my attorney.
 
The puzzling part is where he was parked. He was parked at the entrance on the state road witch is about 500 yards from the almost empty parking lot. Like he was watching who was using the range.
 
The entrance is across the road from a commuter lot. They were looking at your ammo because you can't shoot ammo with a steel projectile due to the steel backstop.


I've seen people shooting suppressors and sbr's there. Most of the staff are nice if you talk to them. Some are safety nazis and can be quite rude. However you may have to when dealing with hundreds of strangers with firearms each day.

It costs 3 dollars to shoot at a great facility. I think your tin foil hat is on a little too tight.

HB
 
That's why I stick to a nice laid back private range. Members are all friendly, no 'range master' or stupid rules. Just the good ol' safety rules and pick up your trash when you leave.
 
No one touches my stuff without asking (that's an observation not a threat). I've never seen it happen although I usually shoot at a membership range. I saw some really crazy stuff at the Ocala National Forrest range when in lived in Floriduh but no one ever reached into my bag.

Did you smile and wave when you drove by?


Mike
 
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The puzzling part is where he was parked. He was parked at the entrance on the state road witch is about 500 yards from the almost empty parking lot. Like he was watching who was using the range.
When they called cease fire I looked for him but he was gone.
Just curious- So this happened while the line was hot? Was your range bag on the shooting bench/table,on the floor of your shooting booth, or on the bench outside the booth? As to profiling to know who is shooting there? Don't they already have your information when you checked in if you were the one assigned to that particular numbered booth? His question to you could be to determine if your ammo was correct for that particular range or just to see how you respond to his opening gambit. Uniform or plain clothes? Pose your question to the range officer at the sign in/ sign out next time you visit? They should have an answer for you since they allowed him to "search" the line.
 
* * * He asked what I was loading with so I told him but I felt I was being profiled. * * *

Unless you were doing something obviously illegal, proper response was:

"Well, ... it's a 10mm light armor-piercing projectile over a healthy scoop of top-secret commie-killing propellant. And what the F are you asking for anyway? Hmmmm?" * :rolleyes:




* Should eye-ball him real good on the "Hmmmm" part.
 
[/QUOTE]Uniform or plain clothes? Pose your question to the range officer at the sign in/ sign out next time you visit? They should have an answer for you since they allowed him to "search" the line.[/QUOTE]

Also would like to hear the OP chime in... I don't think he is talking about a police officer, I think he means a range safety officer.


HB
 
The OP wasnt very clear about how he felt he was being profiled, whether for his gun, his race, his manner of dress, tattoos, his Jihadi bumper stickers, or whatever.

People are offended about "profiling", but it isnt illegal in and of itself. Under certain situations and conditions and by certain people, yes. If people were "profiling" someone dressed like an outlaw biker type right after a high profile incident that involved outlaw bikers and shootings, they can be offended, but it isnt illegal in and of itself from what I understand.

The bomb and arson van could be entirely unrelated. They may have been waiting for everyone to leave to be able to do their own things. Or looking for someone else. Or who knows. Maybe they were on break and like the view.
 
Should have started yelling at him in Russian or Arabic and watch the hilarity ensue!
 
"Borscht-Akbar?"

:D

"The OP wasnt very clear about how he felt he was being profiled, whether for his gun, his race, his manner of dress, tattoos, his Jihadi bumper stickers, or whatever"
Or whether he may have looked unfamiliar to someone either assigned or 'self-designated' as RO, who wanted to therefore keep an eye on him and make sure he was following the ammo rules...:rolleyes:

"People are offended about "profiling", but it isnt illegal in and of itself"
Quite frankly, I've never understood why it's even offensive to people, in and of itself. Take offense to the irksome third degree this guy apparently gives anyone he doesn't like the looks of; the fact he is keeping an eye out isn't in an of itself cause for offense. Lots of people like to jump from 'profiling' (otherwise known as 'perception,' for you city slickers) to all sorts of horrible human vices, when in reality it is 99% of the time due to someone exercising simple human judgment based out of their experiences.

If your race, gender, dress, or demeanor gave this guy cause to think (rightly or wrongly) you might be using improper ammo that would damage the range/break the rules (he was not suspicious of your gun, otherwise he'd have popped the pins out and looked inside :rolleyes:), perhaps you should be appreciative someone is keeping an eye on such things. Otherwise your public range will remain so no longer. It's not like he threatened you or tried to throw you out, for goodness sake :rolleyes:.

Also, jerk ROs and arrogant and/or weird gunnies are a thing, regardless whatever group you lump yourself into. If any personal characteristic of yours makes you stand out, you may attract them more frequently, and there's not a whole lot you can do about it.

TCB
 
I am thinking my CETME has a H&K fire control housing with the fun switch.

Now why would someone put a non-functioning "fun-switch" on their rifle unless it was to draw attention?
Sounds like it may have worked.......:rolleyes:
 
Now why would someone put a non-functioning "fun-switch" on their rifle unless it was to draw attention?
Sounds like it may have worked

So what exactly is different about a full auto fire control group vs a semi auto one that anyone would notice any difference? Its not like theres an entirely different "switch" to notice, its just like an AR, its just a position of the safety. When making semi autos out of the Cetmes, they used full auto trigger groups, just modified them with a punch and changed parts inside, besides changing the front of it.

This whole post is fishy. He joined a couple other forums and posted the exact same thing, and only posted a couple or so posts at them also. Pretty weird deal. It doesnt add up. He said the windshield of the bomb van was dark in one post. Right.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#...servation+shooting+range+sighting+in+my+CETME
 
besides changing the front of it.

I'm not at all familiar with CETME's, but would this change be enough to trip someone's suspicion button?

To me it sounds a little like screwing a fake can onto the barrel. Why???
 
I'm not sure "profiling" is the correct term here, as I didn't see anything in the OP's post that described how he was profiled. Apparently someone walked up, looked at (and handled) his ammo, asked what the load was, then walked away.

Was this guy even an RO or an LEO? Was this just some guy? Was he even related to the bomb/arson van? Do the local bomb squads train at this range when no shooters are out there?

Yeah, it's true that someone shouldn't come and pick up your stuff without permission. But, this sounds like much ado about nothing at this point.
 
Maybe they were profiling you for only making 3 posts in 5 years, and those were all spent trying to figure out why The Man was obviously staking you out.

Next time someone asks me about my ammo I'm just going to say "I don't know what it is; they send me the rounds and leave the money on my doorstep and I shoot the targets and I don't ask questions....."
 
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